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If you can't see that this non-event has been used BY DEMOCRATS as a way to bludgeon our economy in an attempt to damage President Trump, you're blinder than blind.

Right, there's no room to say both:

(1) Democrats have used this crisis for political gain,

and

(2) The virus is out there, and it's reasonable to take some precaution.

If you believe (1), then you cannot wear a mask, and vice versa, if you wear a mask, you must be anti-America.

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Did you wear a mask when Swine Flu ravaged itself through this country infecting 60,800,000 people? Why or why not?

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Did you wear a mask when Swine Flu ravaged itself through this country infecting 60,800,000 people? Why or why not?

Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

Don't bother, erj. I've tried, more than once. He can't see it.

"Say, doctor-with-the-huge-annual-premiums-for-malpractice-insurance, do you think that I- a patient in your care- should wear a mask?"

Doc says "No, I'm advising you against wearing a mask, and of course this has nothing to do with you suing me for malpractice, when all I had to do to avoid that was say "You need a mask."

It's not going to happen like that.

I spent twenty years in the medical field. I know more MDs than you can shake a stick at, and I can tell you that the constant worry of being sued does not mean they do things only to avoid such. Most MDs do care about their patients, although some of them care about their patients ony to the extent that it affects the particular doctor's reputation. But, it seems to me that it's the rare MD who throws cauion to the wind and who does not temper each and every response or piece of advice to their patient, keeping malpractice suits in their mind. They have to. People are just waiting to try and get a cash payday out of their "rich" doctor. I've seen it up close.

So, what's a wise MD going to say in response to "Should I wear a mask?"

You got it. It's not a dig at the medical profession. It's acknowedgement of the reality of this screwed-up world.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Did you wear a mask when Swine Flu ravaged itself through this country infecting 60,800,000 people? Why or why not?

You wanna know why? BHO was president and the media wasn't trying to kill the economy that he already had. zippy needs to turn off the boobtube. It's funny how a few years and a different president makes a "pandemic".

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Did you wear a mask when Swine Flu ravaged itself through this country infecting 60,800,000 people? Why or why not?

Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

Wellll...you forgot, "And because it wasn't an election year and the media was fellating their Golden Child". [shrug]

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

I think we see the problem. You believe what the media tells you, without question.

Your statement of "mask = hate's America" is just as valid as "no mask = you want to kill me, you might just as well shoot me as not wear a mask"

I have had two M.D.s tell me I am better off with a rabbits foot around my neck than I am wearing those stupid masks. Regards 18DAI

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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These people who are terrified and losing their shit are mentally and emotionally weak.

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Are people with cancer or diabetes mentally weak? Is PTSD in veterans a weakness too??

Did I say they were? No. In fact, you quoted what I said, and it's a very short, very simple statement. Having diabetes doesn't mean you should be terrified and act squirrely, or at least, my doctor hasn't had me change any of my treatment for it, so if you know something I don't, speak up. And yes, I know I quoted you out of order, but I figured I would put all your really silly questions in one place and address them and move on.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
The Covid situation is creating a LARGER mental health crisis in this country.

I cited two examples of that on my street alone. The problem isn't the COVID situation, the problem is the media-driven terror and panic. Myself and both of those neighbors all went through the same stuff, and live within fifty yards of each other. I'm not out on my front lawn howling at the moon, or walking around in clothing a person with any dignity left wouldn't wear out of the house. What's the difference? I didn't sit there glued to the fucking TV gulping down the panic KoolAid they were pumping into every other household in America. Instead of wallowing in the drama and the bullshit, I did my own thing and here we are almost six months into this and I feel mentally stronger now than I did going in. People have dealt with plagues for millenia, but what they didn't have was CNN to let them know how they should feel about it.

You've argued with pretty much every person in this thread so far, so I guess it was my turn.

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Originally posted by JoseyWales2:

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

I think we see the problem. You believe what the media tells you, without question.

Your statement of "mask = hate's America" is just as valid as "no mask = you want to kill me, you might just as well shoot me as not wear a mask"

That's quite the assumption. And not true. And I've addressed it above by saying I trust my doctors.

I have no idea what you are getting at with your second comment. The 'mask = hate's america' comment was summarizing Para's stance on this. I said there is an in between - one can wear a mask yet still not be lumped in to some political category. Para didn't agree.

That's not precisely correct.

Look, it's clear that you feel that you're getting beaten up on by unreasonable people. You want to tell me, then, why you keep coming back to this thread for more of the same?

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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Originally posted by JoseyWales2:

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

I think we see the problem. You believe what the media tells you, without question.

That's quite the assumption. And not true. And I've addressed it above by saying I trust my doctors.

What did I assume? I quoted you exactly.

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What did I assume? I quoted you exactly.

You missed my sarcasm . .

There's some sarcasm contained within those quotes. That's the source of confusion between you two guys.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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What did I assume? I quoted you exactly.

You missed my sarcasm . .

ok, my bad.

zip seems rather resilient, so, he's OK.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
That's not precisely correct.

Look, it's clear that you feel that you're getting beaten up on by unreasonable people. You want to tell me, then, why you keep coming back to this thread for more of the same?

I'm not bent by this. Why do any of us participate and share different points of view? I refrain usually, as I realize I'm in the minority. Today I saw a comment that seemed unreasonable to me, so I commented.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:
Today I saw a comment that seemed unreasonable to me, so I commented.

If you're referring to my part of the exchange below, I believe both yourself and Zsmichael are interpreting things in my post that are not there. For such a short statement, I'm amazed by how much people are trying to read into it, again, if it's me you're referring to. I said what I said, and it means exactly what I meant it to.

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:

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These people who are terrified and losing their shit are mentally and emotionally weak.

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Are people with cancer or diabetes mentally weak? The Covid situation is creating a LARGER mental health crisis in this country. Is PTSD in veterans a weakness too??

Are all people who choose to wear a mask terrified and losing their shit? Or perhaps some are just cautious? Perhaps misinformed and cautious. . perhaps brainwashed, like me.

Is there any middle ground between 'fuck it I'm not wearing a mask', and 'terrified'?

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Originally posted by zipriderson:

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
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Did you wear a mask when Swine Flu ravaged itself through this country infecting 60,800,000 people? Why or why not?

Because the media didn't tell me to. Happy?

I'd venture there are a lot of people who are wearing them because the media told them to, and I'd venture much more wear them because of social pressure, people are more interested in not being ostracised by others and being seen as enlightened and engaged, probably greater reason than much as the health benefits of a mask. Especially when you consider that the majority of the masks used are ineffective.

If you don't wear it, you don't give a shit about the health of others, yourself, your family. IE you're a selfish, self-centered, uneducated ass. So the inference goes both ways, whichever you choose.