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Coronavirus Death rates are about 1 in 50 and that's how it really differs from flu.

Life death rates are 100%. Coronavirus, flu or life ain't no one getting off this rock alive.

Yep. And that death rate would be a lot better if China and their shitty healthcare system wasn’t involved.

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It's a good whiskey hoarding Starter Kit.

Why would you hoard bad whiskey?

I wouldn't.

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... you also need to take into consideration infectivity. This is where the Flu blows the Coronavirus out of the water.

You keep claiming that, yet everything else I've read suggests SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious than influenza. Do you have a cite?

I believe the mistake some are making is comparing R0 between Coronavirus and Influenza, which is listed against a single strain. Unfortunately, the Flu consists of multiple strains in a given season. Very few realize that while the general public is provided vaccination against 2, sometimes 3 strains, another vaccine reserved for critical persons high in the government and U.S. healthcare system may contain the top 10-20 strains that may originate from Asia. In short, one isn't tackling one strain with the Flu... unlike the recent Coronavirus strain, which as far as I've seen hasn't mutated since its crossover. You can bet it will eventually, given it's an RNA virus.

Wait, what?

"Important" people have better / more comprehensive flu vaccines?

Can't say I've ever heard that before.

Just FYI about the SNS (formerly the National Pharmaceutical Stockpile, NPS), and it does get distributed according to specific protocols for specific scenarios (the Pentagon being high on the list depending on the scenario, or public health officials in others, or mass distribution centers). Just as evacuations are planned and exercised for evacuating key leadership from the Capitol on a periodic basis, or having a Designated Survivor. Some animals are more equal than others, but hopefully the right animals. The forest is still a scary place.

Strategic National Stockpile

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Just FYI about the SNS (formerly the National Pharmaceutical Stockpile, NPS), and it does get distributed according to specific protocols for specific scenarios (the Pentagon being high on the list depending on the scenario, or public health officials in others, or mass distribution centers). Just as evacuations are planned and exercised for evacuating key leadership from the Capitol on a periodic basis, or having a Designated Survivor. Some animals are more equal than others, but hopefully the right animals. The forest is still a scary place.

Strategic National Stockpile

Every bit of that, except special/better vaccines, is normal and reasonable.

That only some get the best medicine is, well, something else entirely.

Thanks for the explanation.

So I’m finishing my basement and went looking at paint yesterday. Wow! Not a freaking mask anywhere. Come on people, your little dust mask isn’t going to stop a virus but it will stop pain droplets/mist for me. Fortunately, I’m 2-3 weeks out so I’m hoping things will have calmed down by then. But still.

Israeli who recovered in Japan develops coronavirus again in Israel

https://www.jpost.com/Breaking...rus-in-Israel-619215

Shimon Dahan returned from quarantine in Japan after having having been presumed to be "recovered", following his infection with the virus on the Princess Diamond cruise ship and subsequent quarantine in Tokyo.

The man flew home to Israel after he was released from quarantine in Japan and is the third to be diagnosed as having the virus of the passengers who were brought back to Israel from the Princess Diamond.
Dahan's sister, Rachel Biton, was the first to be released from quarantine in Japan and sent home to Israel on Tuesday after recovering from the virus.

A spokesperson for the family says they are not currently responding to the issue, as they are still waiting to receive answers to the many questions that came as a result of the report.
"If there is anything to say about the matter, you will be notified after the Sabbath."

Dahan flew home to Israel on two commercial flights, both with Turkish Airlines: flight TK53 from Tokyo via Istanbul, and flight TK784 from Istanbul to Tel Aviv, which landed in Israel at 08:55.
All passengers who were on either of the two aforementioned flight must enter a home quarantine immediately for the next 14 days and report to the Israeli Ministry of Health.

After being diagnosed, Dahan was transferred to be quarantined at Sheba Medical Center, along with the remaining healthy Princess Diamond passengers.

Later on Friday, two Israeli men from northern Israel were diagnosed with coronavirus after returning from separate trips to Italy, according to the Israeli Ministry of Health, making them the sixth and seventh Israeli citizens to be infected so far.

The sixth Israeli to be diagnosed is in his forties, and lives in Kibbutz Kabri. After returning from Italy on February 22 he was tested and was found not to have the disease.

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Israeli who recovered in Japan develops coronavirus again in Israel

Or in other words, he probably never actually recovered.

I don't believe a damned thing the media is reporting about this virus. Not a damned thing.

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Israeli who recovered in Japan develops coronavirus again in Israel

Or in other words, he probably never actually recovered.

I don't believe a damned thing the media is reporting about this virus. Not a damned thing.

Japan is holding people who tested positive until they receive 2 negative test results.


Tri-Cities woman to be released from hospital in Japan after 2 negative virus tests; preparing to fly home

https://www.wjhl.com/news/loca...eparing-to-fly-home/

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Well, everyone is getting what they wanted- a big frenzy. How ya likn' it? How's that stock market doing with all this fun, huh?

Thank the news media and thank all the other fear-mongers, be they groups or individuals.

What this will come down to is that the panic over this bug will be more harmful to society than the bug itself.

Fuckin media is trying to wreck the economy, and doing a good job in the short term. Try as they might to alter the next election while padding their advertising dollars by banking on fear. Despicable bastards.

Yeah, it looks like the media is going into full retard, chicken little mode now.
I think part of it is they're trying to use it as a weapon against Trump's reelection.

CDC Fixes COVID-19 Test Snafu; Symptoms Vary in Hospitalized Cases

https://www.medpagetoday.com/i...isease/covid19/85156

CDC officials said Friday that they had solved problems with COVID-19 coronavirus testing kits for state and local public health departments, which had plagued the agency over the last couple weeks: use only two components, and ignore the problematic one.

With the third reagent reportedly causing inconclusive test results, CDC said the test kits can now be used with only the first two components, which are appropriately sensitive and specific to detect COVID-19 cases, Nancy Messonnier, MD, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said on a call with reporters.

States that are "able to validate only two components can test only those two using revised instructions. The third component can be excluded from testing," she said.

CDC officials added the FDA agrees with this approach, and has given "discretionary authority to proceed" with this new protocol with only two components. Orders can now be placed for this new two-component test, though all testing will still be sent to CDC for confirmation.

Messonnier previously said 12 state and local public health departments have the ability to test for COVID-19 coronavirus. The agency's goal is that "every state and local health department" has that ability by the end of next week, she said.

Ideally, this would allow states to report their own numbers of cases, though Messonnier said they are still working through "procedures ... with states and the FDA in terms of confirmatory testing."

"It's possible there might be a presumptive positive [test] awaiting confirmation, but state and local health departments can still take action," Messonnier said.

While CDC works to get out these new testing kits, work on COVID-19 coronavirus surveillance continues. Messonnier noted that next week, the first six influenza surveillance sites should begin testing for COVID-19, with the hope to "rapidly move from six to all 50 states," she said.

Messonnier also briefly discussed the 15th U.S. case of COVID-19, stating that "according to CDC records," the hospital asked for the patient to be tested on Feb. 23, not Feb. 19, as other media had reported. She added that the public health investigation into this case continues, with the goal of determining whether the patient contracted the virus through community spread or through contact with a returning traveler.

Most of an 1,100-patient cohort hospitalized in China for COVID-19 did not initially have fever, and many had no radiologic abnormalities, reported Nan-shan Zhong, MD, and colleagues in the China Medical Treatment Expert Group for COVID-19.

About 6% of patients were admitted to an intensive care unit, required mechanical ventilation, or died, the authors wrote in a paper published online Friday in the New England Journal of Medicine.

They examined data from about 1,100 patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 in 552 hospitals in 30 Chinese provinces through Jan. 29. Patients' median age was 47, and 42% were women. Just under one-quarter had a preexisting condition, such as hypertension or COPD.

Most patients were classified as having non-severe disease, and the authors noted those with severe disease were older than the non-severe patients by a median of 7 years.

Overall, about 5% were admitted to the ICU, 2.3% required mechanical ventilation, and 1.4% died. Cough was the most common symptom, with over two-thirds presenting with cough upon admission. Interestingly, only about 40% presented with fever, though nearly all developed fever while hospitalized. The authors also noted that about 16% of patients developed "severe illness" after admission to the hospital.

Over 80% of patients had lymphocytopenia present at admission, and most had elevated levels of C-reactive protein.

Researchers reported a median incubation period of 4 days. While ground-glass opacity was the most common finding on chest CT imaging, they added that in 18% of non-severe cases, no radiographic or CT abnormality was found.

Around 60% of patients received intravenous antibiotics, while about 35% received oseltamivir therapy. About 40% of patients required oxygen therapy.

Patients stayed in the hospital for a median of 12 days, during which time most received a diagnosis of pneumonia.

Researchers noted limitations to the data, such as incomplete documentation of exposure history and laboratory testing, which varied by hospital, and that the incubation period could only be estimated in 291 patients with documented information. Also, it was restricted to patients admitted to hospitals and therefore shed no light on characteristics or prevalence of less severe disease for which patients received outpatient care or none at all.

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Yeah, it looks like the media is going into full retard, chicken little mode now.
I think part of it is they're trying to use it as a weapon against Trump's reelection.

Winner! Winner!

Well boys, my family and I are still alive and healthy, lol. It's been 20 days since we got back from Taiwan through LA and Dulles.

Virus is in Oregon. One case so far. School employee. Most affluent district in the state.

(Please no political comments regarding Oregon).

^^^^^
You just think that. In actuality, you all are new cast members for TWD.

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Virus is in Oregon. One case so far. School employee. Most affluent district in the state.

(Please no political comments regarding Oregon).

Most significantly it is a community-spread case. We have the second such case in the Bay Area.

Well, my wife got back from Panama last Friday and she spent the whole week she was there working with Indians. India supposedly has only three cases, but they are just as if not more densely packed in their cities than the Chinese.

She came back Friday and has been sick since Sunday. She's felt like shit all week and called in all week, the first time she's called in sick in 16 years.

She went to the doctor today was told she has bronchitis. I was absolutely thrilled she was told this...however,I implemented my yearly flu protocol in my house...she's been "quarantined" in the bedroom for five days...the hell away from me.

Well, here is an interesting take on containing the Carona Virus: From the IB Times:

In what appears to be a rather drastic measure to contain the spread of the novel coronavirus (COVID 19), North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un allegedly sanctioned the execution of the first North Korean patient that tested positive for the deadly strain of the virus.

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Earlier last week, reports had suggested that a North Korean trade official was shot dead for leaving coronavirus quarantine to visit a public bath. According to South Korean media, the victim, who had returned to the country after a visit to China, was executed for risking the spread of the deadly virus.

So in North Korea, I guess the plan is to shoot anyone who has any flu symptoms. That should definitely slow down the spread of the virus in North Korea.