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Originally posted by Killer:
Dakor, why isn't the general public given the vaccination with 10-20 strains in it?

Great question, the best answer of which is the cost. Ramping up biomanufacturing for that many strains and performing cocktail testing in humans would be extremely cost prohibitive. The strategic reserve that I referenced isn't used on the officials mentioned unless things become a bit scary, but I'm in the dark as to the actual protocol. I just know of its existence.

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What if it like, never leaves your body? Like ya know mannn, you’re sick forever. That would suck.

As an RNA virus, Coronavirus doesn't integrate with the genome and there is no latency (unlike say Chicken Pox and its later expression = Shingles).

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by Killer:
Dakor, why isn't the general public given the vaccination with 10-20 strains in it?

Great question, the best answer of which is the cost. Ramping up biomanufacturing for that many strains and performing cocktail testing in humans would be extremely cost prohibitive. The strategic reserve that I referenced isn't used on the officials mentioned unless things become a bit scary, but I'm in the dark as to the actual protocol. I just know of its existence.

Thank you.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
... you also need to take into consideration infectivity. This is where the Flu blows the Coronavirus out of the water.

You keep claiming that, yet everything else I've read suggests SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious than influenza. Do you have a cite?

Do you know where Flu originates? If so, how many people have the Flu globally???

I watched Dr. Mark Seigel on Fox not an hour ago say the coronavirus is probably more contagious.

edit: I watched the video and he said probably.

13:50 in the video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYiQqRNXWsk

Probably. But the takeaway shortly after that was "this looks like overall a pretty mild virus." Also probably. Keeping in mind that "pretty mild" can still kill a lot of people, and has. We are fortunate that this particular virus shares traits with other viruses we are pretty familiar with, shortening time needed to find treatment and prevention options. Lucky. It rapidly transfers between humans, but we have a clear bead on how. Lucky. It lives in an animal reservoir, but not one (yet) in our own back yard, or even common. Lucky. And best of all, not a killing, lethal virus (imagine lyssavirus - that would be rabies - transmissible by aerosol) that would wipe out humanity in a fortnight. Again, lucky. Very lucky. None of which we had any control over, just the fall of the dice and a few nucleotides. So, as my epidemiologist pals are quaintly fond of phrasing, we should "CTFD." And thank our stars and Deities we have what we have - this time. I am.

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by RAMIUS:
What if it like, never leaves your body? Like ya know mannn, you’re sick forever. That would suck.

As an RNA virus, Coronavirus doesn't integrate with the genome and there is no latency (unlike say Chicken Pox and its later expression = Shingles).

Thanks for the explanation mannnnn.

Would my plan to simply carry a flask of whiskey and walk around inebriated all the time so that the alcohol will kill anything that enters my body be feasible?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Would my plan to simply carry a flask of whiskey and walk around inebriated all the time so that the alcohol will kill anything that enters my body be feasible?

Shouldn't you drink Mexican beer for the Coronavirus?

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Would my plan to simply carry a flask of whiskey and walk around inebriated all the time so that the alcohol will kill anything that enters my body be feasible?

Shouldn't you drink Mexican beer for the Coronavirus?

Hope you are prepared for worst case. In-laws live a few minutes from Travis and the first untraceable case in US was found in SF. FIL is quadrapledric and needs special care. They are stuck in their home or hospital due to care he needs.

Aw man. What if everyone goes out and buys ALL the food and ALL the whiskey.

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
Would my plan to simply carry a flask of whiskey and walk around inebriated all the time so that the alcohol will kill anything that enters my body be feasible?

Shouldn't you drink Mexican beer for the Coronavirus?

I was at Sam's Club today and someone had 3 cases of water and two cases of Corona they were loading into their car. Best to hedge your bets.

I was out of a little container of hand sanitizer I use after going to see clients in jail, so I stopped at Target. They still had a good supply of that, bleach was 3/4 sold and they were completely out of "medical masks" whatever quality those were.

That’s it. I’m going to hoard all the whiskey.

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That’s it. I’m going to hoard all the whiskey.

Vodka and rum here, but I am seriously thinking about buying some liquor. Haven't had any in the house for over a year, don't drink it much, but beer is really heavy to transport.

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
... you also need to take into consideration infectivity. This is where the Flu blows the Coronavirus out of the water.

You keep claiming that, yet everything else I've read suggests SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious than influenza. Do you have a cite?

Do you know where Flu originates? If so, how many people have the Flu globally???

That's not a cite and doesn't address the question. You claim SARS-CoV-2 is less infectious than the average seasonal influenza. What is the basis of your claim?

The R0 (a value expressing the susceptibility of the population to a disease) of a typical seasonal influenza runs around 0.9 to 2.1 (mean of 1.5). The estimated R0 for SARS-Cov-2 currently ranges from 1.4 to 6.49 (mean about 4). The WHO puts it at 1.4 to 2.5 (mean of 2).

Near as I can tell, from what is believed at this time, SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be at least as virulent as seasonal influenza, and possibly quite a bit more.

Now add to that the 1st, 2nd and 6th points in this post of mine and it sure doesn't appear less infectious to me.

Change my mind.

Coronavirus Death rates are about 1 in 50 and that's how it really differs from flu. Now, flu puts kids and elderly most at risk of fatal pneumonia. This also seems to kill some middle aged healthy people. Also, flu lives a very short while on surfaces, almost all transmitted by air, person to person. This appears to also be transmitted by droplets and lives a very long period on surfaces, requiring sterilizing and decontamination, much like Noravirus. Then of course, for flu, we have vaccines and we have anti-virals but have neither for this. Then last, flu is generally contagious no more than one day before you show signs of the disease and one day after all signs are gone. This appears to be contagious up to 14 days before and 14 after or perhaps even more. This is closer to SARS but far more widespread and contagious. To control it's spread, needs to be treated much like Ebola probably.

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
... you also need to take into consideration infectivity. This is where the Flu blows the Coronavirus out of the water.

You keep claiming that, yet everything else I've read suggests SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious than influenza. Do you have a cite?

Do you know where Flu originates? If so, how many people have the Flu globally???

That's not a cite and doesn't address the question. You claim SARS-CoV-2 is less infectious than the average seasonal influenza. What is the basis of your claim?

The R0 (a value expressing the susceptibility of the population to a disease) of a typical seasonal influenza runs around 0.9 to 2.1 (mean of 1.5). The estimated R0 for SARS-Cov-2 currently ranges from 1.4 to 6.49 (mean about 4). The WHO puts it at 1.4 to 2.5 (mean of 2).

Near as I can tell, from what is believed at this time, SARS-CoV-2 is believed to be at least as virulent as seasonal influenza, and possibly quite a bit more.

Now add to that the 1st, 2nd and 6th points in this post of mine and it sure doesn't appear less infectious to me.

Change my mind.

Oh, so doing anecdotal math doesn’t count. Read my post concerning incorrect R0 usage. Proceed with your logic and tell me why cumulative Flu infection numbers are >3,000 times globally than with the new Coronavirus strain. Go look the figures up yourself as I’m not here to appease you.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
Read my post concerning incorrect R0 usage.

Generally speaking: Greater infectiousness leads to a greater R0. Yes or no?

Besides which: Every report I've seen suggests SARS-CoV-2 is more infectious than influenza.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
Proceed with your logic and tell me why cumulative Flu infection numbers are >3,000 times globally than with the new Coronavirus strain.

Oh, I dunno. Maybe because the current seasonal influenza has been on the march a lot longer? Just a guess, mind you.

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Originally posted by Dakor:
Go look the figures up yourself as I’m not here to appease you.

It's not a question of appeasing me. It's a question of proving your assertion. Again: You keep repeating that SARS-CoV-2 is less infectious than the current seasonal influenza. All reports I've seen are contrary to your assertion.

Show us a report from a credible source that supports your claim.

SARS-CoV-2--> <--influenza

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Originally posted by Dakor:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Dakor:
... you also need to take into consideration infectivity. This is where the Flu blows the Coronavirus out of the water.

You keep claiming that, yet everything else I've read suggests SARS-CoV-2 is much more infectious than influenza. Do you have a cite?

I believe the mistake some are making is comparing R0 between Coronavirus and Influenza, which is listed against a single strain. Unfortunately, the Flu consists of multiple strains in a given season. Very few realize that while the general public is provided vaccination against 2, sometimes 3 strains, another vaccine reserved for critical persons high in the government and U.S. healthcare system may contain the top 10-20 strains that may originate from Asia. In short, one isn't tackling one strain with the Flu... unlike the recent Coronavirus strain, which as far as I've seen hasn't mutated since its crossover. You can bet it will eventually, given it's an RNA virus.

Wait, what?

"Important" people have better / more comprehensive flu vaccines?

Can't say I've ever heard that before.

The unknown source infection victim in California is now in serious condition and intubated in the hospital. Obviously, the biggest question is where was this person exposed to the virus in the first place? They hadn’t been traveling prior to infection and the source is a mystery.

This highlights two points that could affect everyone- the virus is obviously in the wild in the US, and it CAN possibly be bad enough to require taking up space in a hospital. Two valid concerns; the first is obvious. The second, that space in medical facilities is finite as are the number of machines that might be needed to care for victims. Those that need care beyond simple bed rest. Apologies for using CNN as the source...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/a...a-patient/index.html

I just saw a report on the local NBC station that a dog in China has tested positive for the Corona virus. We're all screwed now.