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It bothers me that every time I see someone with a a mask on, their nose is poking out, or it is not on their face properly. Might as well not have it on. We bought masks, gloves, and a uv light when we first saw this on the news. Because we have little ones, if it does hit hard, we will not be going out. Only 1 adult will go out with a mask and gloves. Anything coming in will be sterilized with uv or an ozone generator.We could not get children sized masks, and cant rely on children wearing masks properly. We are very far from that level of lockdown though. Hopefully it won't get that bad. There is something good and motherly about Washington, the grand old benevolent National Asylum for the helpless. - Mark Twain The Gilded Age #CNNblackmail #CNNmemewar | |||
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Don't Panic |
Hearing that some of the best medical folks in the state propose this for when/if it gets here:
I looked at our cupboards and went out yesterday and backfilled, so that in the event we got in-house quarantined, we'd be in OK shape. Stores are out of the useful masks and when we asked, our pharmacy said their distributors were out, too. Tactically, what that means (having no masks) is that if it hits our area, we just won't go out for non-emergent stuff. | |||
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I think the hype on this is going to cause way more harm than the actual friggin disease. Couple that with the almost giddy news coverage it is getting. The media literally is playing on the economic downturn this will cause (manufactured hype or not) benefitting the Democrats. Actually watched the talking heads on Bloomberg News dance around this point this very morning. It is the equivalent of listening to Bill Maher wishing for bad news for political gain. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
The hysteria will absolutely cause more pain and suffering than the actual virus. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Agreed | |||
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 "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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I agree, and it’s reason enough to prepare for it and simply stay home as much as one can. ______________________________________________ Carthago delenda est | |||
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The mask is not to PROTECT you from GETTING this virus, it's to stop YOU from blasting others with your snot and coughs and giving it to THEM. Am I wrong here? Isn't this the whole concept of a face mask for this kind of thing? | |||
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I run trains! |
A buddy and I were discussing the irrational purchases that some folks seem to be making in response to this. Case in point, go check Amazon for emergency preparedness meal kits (i.e. freeze dried kits). None to be found. Mountain House’s website literally says please stop calling us. Not that having this stuff on-hand isn’t a bad plan for a variety of reasons (I’ve long had several 14-day kits stashed away) but the overnight run on these and other similar items is just dumb. Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view. Complacency sucks… | |||
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Answering sequentially: Yes. And no. The purpose of a mask is to prevent you inhaling larger aerosolized droplets with viruses riding on them, a known method of transmission. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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True. It's good to have some level of emergency supply however the hysteria that can be generated can be a head-shaker. You wanna ask these people what do they not have at home? Its like people running out to buy a rain jacket during the first storm...what they hell have you been using before? Here in the US, we're in a pretty good situation. Our population density outside of a handful of cities is a lot less than most countries in the world. The homes/living spaces we live in are larger we're spread out, we're not necessarily on top of each other. We have pantry spaces in our homes so, we're able to store more items, American's have this insane reaction that an empty space needs to be filled, so cans and bags of foodstuffs.  Lastly, our refrigerators/freezers are larger, ergo, we have more perishables at home, we don't go to the market everyday. In China, Middle East and other countries (Italy), going to the market is a daily activity. Keeping foodstuff in the fridge or, meals in the freezer just isn't practiced, hence why the village market is the central nexus for the community. Just cover your mouth if you sneeze/cough and clean your hands afterwards before touching anything. | |||
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That's what "they" say, but you'll notice that every medical worker in every video and photo you see will be wearing one. So there's a bit of a disconnect between what "they" recommend and what "they" are doing. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Patient who hadn't traveled, contracted the virus and was moved from one hospital to another. Wonder if this person was anywhere around Napa hospital or, Travis AFB where other positives/travelers from hot zones came from... Coronavirus Patient and Precautions at UC Davis Medical Center
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The surprising thing is that, so far, no healthcare workers have tested positive in the US, as the group that has had the most contact with these patients. Possibly (probably) some of the reasons are WNL (We Never Looked), and/or it's early, and it's just a matter of time, but encouraging because contact precautions do seem to be effective. Which means that simple methods may be easily tranferable to communities. Right now, it appears that the protocol for (likely) a 100% guarantee of not contracting COVID-19 are 1) Wash your hands, 2) Don't have contact with other humans. Or bats. At least 10 or 15 feet from same, and 3) Don't eat or drink from unsealed or unidentified sources. With a treatment protocol that's effective for those already infected (pending), that's actually pretty encouraging, and public health resources can work with that in the event of a severe outbreak, dialing up or down. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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The guy behind the guy |
I'm taking my family to Hawaii in two weeks and my wife is pretty worried about the virus. I keep getting a little nervous myself, but I keep reminding myself of the above. | |||
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Minimum of twenty (20) seconds, with soap and warm water.
The Dutch health authorities are suggesting two (2) meters, which is seven (7) feet.
I'd think that a Bad Idea in any event. Also: Keep hands away from face. That's harder than it seems. When I started consciously doing that, several influenza outbreaks ago, I regularly caught myself violating that part of the protocol. That's one of the reported advantages of a face mask. You'll find out real quick how often you unconsciously touch your face when your hands run into the mask, instead. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Sing the "Happy Birthday" song twice.  "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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Three decades as a dentist have trained me quite well to keep my hands off my face. Doc H: When you were in dental school, did they show you the movie "If Saliva Were Red"? It sounds silly, but was actually a pretty darn good illustration of how casual touching of surfaces spreads contamination. | |||
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That's certainly true, imagine we'll be looking at a lot of different things we do to avoid contact with the virus... | |||
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| Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
I recall a mythbusters episode I think that did some type of demonstration of this how quickly one can contaminate other surfaces. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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