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It bothers me that every time I see someone with a a mask on, their nose is poking out, or it is not on their face properly. Might as well not have it on. We bought masks, gloves, and a uv light when we first saw this on the news. Because we have little ones, if it does hit hard, we will not be going out. Only 1 adult will go out with a mask and gloves. Anything coming in will be sterilized with uv or an ozone generator.We could not get children sized masks, and cant rely on children wearing masks properly. We are very far from that level of lockdown though. Hopefully it won't get that bad.


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Posts: 706 | Location: Seacoast in USA | Registered: September 24, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Hearing that some of the best medical folks in the state propose this for when/if it gets here:
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I looked at our cupboards and went out yesterday and backfilled, so that in the event we got in-house quarantined, we'd be in OK shape.

Stores are out of the useful masks and when we asked, our pharmacy said their distributors were out, too. Tactically, what that means (having no masks) is that if it hits our area, we just won't go out for non-emergent stuff.
 
Posts: 15235 | Location: North Carolina | Registered: October 15, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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I think the hype on this is going to cause way more harm than the actual friggin disease. Couple that with the almost giddy news coverage it is getting. The media literally is playing on the economic downturn this will cause (manufactured hype or not) benefitting the Democrats. Actually watched the talking heads on Bloomberg News dance around this point this very morning.

It is the equivalent of listening to Bill Maher wishing for bad news for political gain.
 
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The hysteria will absolutely cause more pain and suffering than the actual virus.


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Posts: 31166 | Location: Elv. 7,000 feet, Utah | Registered: October 29, 2012Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The hysteria will absolutely cause more pain and suffering than the actual virus.


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The hysteria will absolutely cause more pain and suffering than the actual virus.
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I agree, and it’s reason enough to prepare for it and simply stay home as much as one can.


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The mask is not to PROTECT you from GETTING this virus, it's to stop YOU from blasting others with your snot and coughs and giving it to THEM.

Am I wrong here? Isn't this the whole concept of a face mask for this kind of thing?


 
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A buddy and I were discussing the irrational purchases that some folks seem to be making in response to this. Case in point, go check Amazon for emergency preparedness meal kits (i.e. freeze dried kits). None to be found. Mountain House’s website literally says please stop calling us.

Not that having this stuff on-hand isn’t a bad plan for a variety of reasons (I’ve long had several 14-day kits stashed away) but the overnight run on these and other similar items is just dumb.



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Posts: 5432 | Location: Wichita, KS (for now)…always a Texan… | Registered: April 14, 2006Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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The mask is not to PROTECT you from GETTING this virus, it's to stop YOU from blasting others with your snot and coughs and giving it to THEM.

Am I wrong here? Isn't this the whole concept of a face mask for this kind of thing?


Answering sequentially: Yes. And no. The purpose of a mask is to prevent you inhaling larger aerosolized droplets with viruses riding on them, a known method of transmission.



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Not that having this stuff on-hand isn’t a bad plan for a variety of reasons (I’ve long had several 14-day kits stashed away) but the overnight run on these and other similar items is just dumb.

True. It's good to have some level of emergency supply however the hysteria that can be generated can be a head-shaker. You wanna ask these people what do they not have at home? Its like people running out to buy a rain jacket during the first storm...what they hell have you been using before?

Here in the US, we're in a pretty good situation. Our population density outside of a handful of cities is a lot less than most countries in the world. The homes/living spaces we live in are larger we're spread out, we're not necessarily on top of each other.
We have pantry spaces in our homes so, we're able to store more items, American's have this insane reaction that an empty space needs to be filled, so cans and bags of foodstuffs. Roll Eyes
Lastly, our refrigerators/freezers are larger, ergo, we have more perishables at home, we don't go to the market everyday. In China, Middle East and other countries (Italy), going to the market is a daily activity. Keeping foodstuff in the fridge or, meals in the freezer just isn't practiced, hence why the village market is the central nexus for the community.

Just cover your mouth if you sneeze/cough and clean your hands afterwards before touching anything.
 
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The mask is not to PROTECT you from GETTING this virus, it's to stop YOU from blasting others with your snot and coughs and giving it to THEM.

That's what "they" say, but you'll notice that every medical worker in every video and photo you see will be wearing one.

So there's a bit of a disconnect between what "they" recommend and what "they" are doing.



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Posts: 26031 | Location: S.E. Michigan | Registered: January 06, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Patient who hadn't traveled, contracted the virus and was moved from one hospital to another. Wonder if this person was anywhere around Napa hospital or, Travis AFB where other positives/travelers from hot zones came from...
Coronavirus Patient and Precautions at UC Davis Medical Center
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Today we learned a patient we are treating here at UC Davis Medical Center for the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is being investigated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as possibly the first patient to have received the infection from exposure in the community.

This patient was transferred to us from another Northern California hospital. Since the patient arrived with a suspected viral infection, our care teams have been taking the proper infection prevention (contact droplet) precautions during the patient’s stay.

Upon admission, our team asked public health officials if this case could be COVID-19. We requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, since neither Sacramento County nor the California Department of Public Health is doing testing for coronavirus at this time. Since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered. UC Davis Health does not control the testing process.

Sunday (Feb. 23), the CDC ordered COVID-19 testing of the patient, and the patient was put on airborne precautions and strict contact precautions, because of our concerns about the patient’s condition. Today the CDC confirmed the patient’s test was positive.

This is not the first COVID-19 patient we have treated, and because of the precautions we have had in place since this patient’s arrival, we believe there has been minimal potential for exposure here at UC Davis Medical Center.

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Patient who hadn't traveled, contracted the virus and was moved from one hospital to another. Wonder if this person was anywhere around Napa hospital or, Travis AFB where other positives/travelers from hot zones came from...
Coronavirus Patient and Precautions at UC Davis Medical Center
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Today we learned a patient we are treating here at UC Davis Medical Center for the novel coronavirus (COVID-19) is being investigated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as possibly the first patient to have received the infection from exposure in the community.

This patient was transferred to us from another Northern California hospital. Since the patient arrived with a suspected viral infection, our care teams have been taking the proper infection prevention (contact droplet) precautions during the patient’s stay.

Upon admission, our team asked public health officials if this case could be COVID-19. We requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, since neither Sacramento County nor the California Department of Public Health is doing testing for coronavirus at this time. Since the patient did not fit the existing CDC criteria for COVID-19, a test was not immediately administered. UC Davis Health does not control the testing process.

Sunday (Feb. 23), the CDC ordered COVID-19 testing of the patient, and the patient was put on airborne precautions and strict contact precautions, because of our concerns about the patient’s condition. Today the CDC confirmed the patient’s test was positive.

This is not the first COVID-19 patient we have treated, and because of the precautions we have had in place since this patient’s arrival, we believe there has been minimal potential for exposure here at UC Davis Medical Center.

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The surprising thing is that, so far, no healthcare workers have tested positive in the US, as the group that has had the most contact with these patients. Possibly (probably) some of the reasons are WNL (We Never Looked), and/or it's early, and it's just a matter of time, but encouraging because contact precautions do seem to be effective. Which means that simple methods may be easily tranferable to communities.

Right now, it appears that the protocol for (likely) a 100% guarantee of not contracting COVID-19 are 1) Wash your hands, 2) Don't have contact with other humans. Or bats. At least 10 or 15 feet from same, and 3) Don't eat or drink from unsealed or unidentified sources. With a treatment protocol that's effective for those already infected (pending), that's actually pretty encouraging, and public health resources can work with that in the event of a severe outbreak, dialing up or down.



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Posts: 2746 | Location: The Shire | Registered: October 22, 2011Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Some perspective:

COVID-19: Approximately 2,770 deaths reported worldwide; 0 deaths in the U.S., as of Feb. 26, 2020.
Flu: 291,000 to 646,000 deaths worldwide; 12,000 to 61,000 deaths in the U.S. per year.

Maybe the media is paying attention to the wrong thing.


I'm taking my family to Hawaii in two weeks and my wife is pretty worried about the virus. I keep getting a little nervous myself, but I keep reminding myself of the above.
 
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Right now, it appears that the protocol for (likely) a 100% guarantee of not contracting COVID-19 are 1) Wash your hands,

Minimum of twenty (20) seconds, with soap and warm water.

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2) Don't have contact with other humans. Or bats. At least 10 or 15 feet from same,

The Dutch health authorities are suggesting two (2) meters, which is seven (7) feet.

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and 3) Don't eat or drink from unsealed or unidentified sources.

I'd think that a Bad Idea in any event.

Also: Keep hands away from face. That's harder than it seems. When I started consciously doing that, several influenza outbreaks ago, I regularly caught myself violating that part of the protocol.

That's one of the reported advantages of a face mask. You'll find out real quick how often you unconsciously touch your face when your hands run into the mask, instead.



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Right now, it appears that the protocol for (likely) a 100% guarantee of not contracting COVID-19 are 1) Wash your hands,

Minimum of twenty (20) seconds, with soap and warm water


Sing the "Happy Birthday" song twice. Smile



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Also: Keep hands away from face. That's harder than it seems. When I started consciously doing that, several influenza outbreaks ago, I regularly caught myself violating that part of the protocol.


Three decades as a dentist have trained me quite well to keep my hands off my face. Smile

Doc H: When you were in dental school, did they show you the movie "If Saliva Were Red"?

It sounds silly, but was actually a pretty darn good illustration of how casual touching of surfaces spreads contamination.
 
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lso: Keep hands away from face. That's harder than it seems. When I started consciously doing that, several influenza outbreaks ago, I regularly caught myself violating that part of the protocol.

That's one of the reported advantages of a face mask. You'll find out real quick how often you unconsciously touch your face when your hands run into the mask, instead.



That's certainly true, imagine we'll be looking at a lot of different things we do to avoid contact with the virus...
 
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Also: Keep hands away from face. That's harder than it seems. When I started consciously doing that, several influenza outbreaks ago, I regularly caught myself violating that part of the protocol.


Three decades as a dentist have trained me quite well to keep my hands off my face. Smile

Doc H: When you were in dental school, did they show you the movie "If Saliva Were Red"?

It sounds silly, but was actually a pretty darn good illustration of how casual touching of surfaces spreads contamination.


I recall a mythbusters episode I think that did some type of demonstration of this how quickly one can contaminate other surfaces.


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