It's because the homeless population isn't on average over 75 and they don't normally have 100 other things wrong with them. This shit is impacting a very specific group of people. It's the reason all of those bank tellers, grocery store clerks, and other POS employees aren't dying. They don't fit the mold....

We're going to see': Trump says he has confidence that COVID-19 started in Wuhan's lab

https://www.washingtonexaminer...tarted-in-wuhans-lab

President Trump said the United States is looking to confirm reports that the strain of coronavirus that triggered the pandemic escaped a laboratory in Wuhan, China.

Intelligence officials have reportedly increased their confidence that COVID-19 escaped from a government laboratory in Wuhan. During a press conference on Thursday, Trump doubted that the coronavirus originated from a bat in a Chinese wet market, as the Chinese Communist Party has suggested.

"We're going to see where it comes from. And, look, you know every theory whether you had the theory from the lab, you had the theory from many different — the bats. The type of bat and the bat is 40 miles away, so it couldn't have been here, and it couldn't have been there," Trump said.

He continued, "There's a lot of theories, but yeah, we have people looking at it very, very strongly. Scientific people, intelligence people, and others. We're going to put it all together. I think we will have a very good answer eventually. And China might even tell us."

Fox reporter John Roberts asked Trump what gave him a high level of confidence that the virus started in the Wuhan laboratory. Trump responded, "I can't tell you that. I'm not allowed to tell you that."

He was later asked if he would insist that U.S. officials be allowed into Wuhan's laboratory to investigate the situation. Trump said he didn't want to "go into that" but said there would be more information to come.

"So far, I think China has been trying to be, or at least they seem to be trying to be somewhat transparent with us. But we will find out. You will be learning in the not-too-distant future," Trump said. "But it is a terrible thing that happened. Whether they made a mistake or whether it started off as a mistake and then they made another one or did somebody do something on purpose?"

He continued, "I don't understand how, traffic. How people were not allowed into the rest of China, but they were allowed into the rest of the world. That's a hard question for them to answer."

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
With so many being tested and being found to have COVID-19 with no evidence of illness “Asymptomatic”, should we not start to wonder if this whole crisis is being overblown with false positives?

Or more likely that everyone has had exposure to it and we generated a herd immunity to it like we're supposed to. Imagine testing everyone for the Flu during the flu season....I'd bet more people have it than what is ever recorded because some symptoms are so mild, people never know they have it.

Same goes for every death from October thru April of the next year. If each person that died was tested for the Flu, how many of them would have tested positive (and using the guidelines for daRona) be counted as a FLU death. It's amazing how easy it would be to skew numbers to make them fit a narrative if that's the only thing you are looking for.

Seems to me then, it is time to quarantine the elderly and most vulnerable with everybody else going back to work.

Still curious though.
How do we determine that the testing is not providing false positives.

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Originally posted by kimber1911:
(CNN)When an outbreak of coronavirus in a Boston homeless shelter prompted officials to do more testing, the results caught them off guard....

• We test a population of homeless for Coronavirus
  
  
• A significant number tested positive
  
  
• Of those, the worst had mild symptoms, but most were asymptomatic
  
  
• Conclusion: WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  

Did I get that right?

Excam man said it most correctly above:

"People grasping at straws to gain control/power?"

I posted earlier- In Washington State 36 of 71 fruit pickers tested positive and None had any symptoms.

There's so many Real, Basic questions about this you'd think some of the $5 Trillion would go to answering them. The "Tests" seem faulty as hell.

Why is Spain and Italy's Fatality Rate so High?

Granted I'm not a doctor, but it seems that if you test positive, and are asymptomatic, you are immune. The big question is, are you contagious or not.

It seems a big leap to assume that if positive and asymptomatic, you're spreading it all over.

The battle for Michigan is heating up:

Michigan House Rejects Lockdown Extension, Votes To Sue Gov. Whitmer Instead

On Thursday, the Republican-led House in Michigan rejected a 28-day coronavirus emergency lockdown order extension from Democratic Governor Gretchen Whitmer. Instead, the legislative body voted to authorize a lawsuit challenging the Democrat’s authority.

“Whitmer asked the Legislature to approve a 28-day extension of the emergency declaration, which expires Thursday night,” ABC 12 News reported. Instead, the House voted to allow Speaker Lee Chatfield to sue the governor over her “unchecked and undemocratic approach” in handling the virus.

“Members of the Republican-led House passed bills that would replace a series of orders issued by Democrat Gov. Gretchen Whitmer with state laws passed through the normal democratic process, according to Speaker Lee Chatfield,” the report said. “He said Republicans support decisive action to prevent the spread of coronavirus, but Whitmer’s ‘unchecked and undemocratic approach’ is not the best way.”

“The current status quo relies on one-size-fits-all edicts that unfairly punish millions of people across the state without giving them any recourse or voice in the process,” said Chatfield, according to ABC 12. “The people deserve a better solution, and we can provide it.”

Whitmer’s draconian and bizarrely inconsistent lockdown measures have sparked protests demanding the state be liberated. “The latest round of protests came on Thursday as the emergency order was set to expire,” The Daily Wire noted. “Many protesters, some carrying firearms, entered the state capitol building after the weather turned sour.”

“Directly above me, men with rifles yelling at us. Some of my colleagues who own bullet proof vests are wearing them. I have never appreciated our Sergeants-at-Arms more than today,” wrote state Sen. Dayna Polehanki (D) on Twitter.

Earlier this month, thousands of protesters hit the capitol to call for an end to the statewide lockdown order in a protest dubbed “operation gridlock.” Additionally, at least four sheriffs announced they will not be enforcing some of the governor’s orders, calling them an “overstepping” of executive authority.

According to Chatfield, ABC 12 reported, “one bill replaces nearly all of Whitmer’s orders currently in effect without any loss of critical protections, including protections against price gouging and extensions of tax deadlines,” adding, “The bills include provisions for distance learning while schools are closed and a continued ban on large gatherings.”

“The idea we want to put an abrupt end to the state of emergency and go back to normal immediately is a lazy political talking point,” Chatfield said. “We all agree Michigan must continue taking strong steps to fight the spread of this disease. But we can both protect the public health and protect the individual people who make up our great state.”

Whitmer has “promised to veto any legislation that curtails emergency authority for herself or any future governor,” the report noted. “Whitmer has said that her emergency authority is not tied to State of Emergency extension, so her orders will continue based on other state laws.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...-gov-whitmer-instead

As I’ve pointed out before, the desire for power to influence other people is probably the strongest human motivator there is. It makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint, and it’s manifested in countless ways in our interactions with others.

I believe that this pandemic and need for elected officials and health policy authorities to react to it has also demonstrated that people who are unaccustomed to wielding power become “drunk” with power (as the old expression puts it) when it’s delivered into their hands. Believe it or not, the people, like police or judges, who are accustomed to exerting power and influence over others on a daily basis are usually more restrained, and are more likely to think through their decisions rather than trying to exert as much power as possible. Plus there’s the fact that the people whose job it is to exert power over others are more likely to be subject to certain well-established rules about what they can do and can’t do. As the science fiction editor John W. Campbell pointed out, it’s not power that corrupts, but immunity from the consequences of misuse of power.

In times like these there are few rules or precedents to guide what a governor, mayor, or head of a public health agency can—or should—do. People who find themselves in that position are very likely to try to think of every possible bad thing that can happen and to try to imagine what they can order to prevent them. And of course there’s the whole “need” thing that’s the basis for so many of the things that are permissible or prohibited in modern society: “You don’t need a gun, so you can’t have one.”
Long ago it became accepted for people in power to issue orders on the basis of whether something is “necessary” in their view rather than whether there is a sound reason for saying do this or don’t do that.

Since that idiot in Michigan will not sign any bill controlling her actions....the question is does the legislature have the votes to over turn her veto.?

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The battle for Michigan is heating up:

Michigan House Rejects Lockdown Extension, Votes To Sue Gov. Whitmer Instead

Ya get the idea that Whitmer's shot at VP has flown right out the window. I'm thinking her future as governor is likely very questionable at this point as well.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
As I’ve pointed out before, the desire for power to influence other people is probably the strongest human motivator there is. It makes perfect sense from an evolutionary standpoint, and it’s manifested in countless ways in our interactions with others.

I believe that this pandemic and need for elected officials and health policy authorities to react to it has also demonstrated that people who are unaccustomed to wielding power become “drunk” with power (as the old expression puts it) when it’s delivered into their hands. Believe it or not, the people, like police or judges, who are accustomed to exerting power and influence over others on a daily basis are usually more restrained, and are more likely to think through their decisions rather than trying to exert as much power as possible. Plus there’s the fact that the people whose job it is to exert power over others are more likely to be subject to certain well-established rules about what they can do and can’t do. As the science fiction editor John W. Campbell pointed out, it’s not power that corrupts, but immunity from the consequences of misuse of power.

In times like these there are few rules or precedents to guide what a governor, mayor, or head of a public health agency can—or should—do. People who find themselves in that position are very likely to try to think of every possible bad thing that can happen and to try to imagine what they can order to prevent them. And of course there’s the whole “need” thing that’s the basis for so many of the things that are permissible or prohibited in modern society: “You don’t need a gun, so you can’t have one.”
Long ago it became accepted for people in power to issue orders on the basis of whether something is “necessary” in their view rather than whether there is a sound reason for saying do this or don’t do that.

Couldn't agree with these comments more. But I'd add that one other item of public officials has also been exposed through this process, that being, that the 'experts' aren't really experts at all. We've seen lots of arrogance and ego from these people with zero self-reflection on the reality they've been spectacularly wrong at every turn. This is the reason why when someone is described to me as a Princeton graduate and expert on some topic, I generally scoff. I'll take the common sense found in the members on this board any day over a Dr. Fauci and his ego based guesswork.

She said she was out a couple weeks ago.Felt she could help the cause better staying in the background.

The thing that is really doing Whitmer in is her draconian policies have forced millions to unemployment, yet that system has failed and many can't even connect much less file a claim.

Michigan is a huge swing state. The DNC now knows with her on the ticket they don't stand a chance at taking Michigan in November. She over played her hand times ten. Now she knows it and she's pissed and going to take it out on the people of Michigan.

Had she played her cards right she had a good chance at being the VP pick I think. Hopefully the people of Michigan will choose more wisely next time.

Related to post on the previous page about testing the homeless and finding the majority to be asymptomatic - in all the articles I've read about the Tyson & Smithfield plants being shut down due to large numbers of employees testing positive - I don't recall any of them mentioning what % or number of employees were asymptomatic. Seems like a key reference point to include if they wanted to tell the entire story.

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I don't recall any of them mentioning what % or number of employees were asymptomatic. Seems like a key reference point to include if they wanted to tell the entire story.

That information is missing in a lot of reports because if a large percentage are not actually ill, it derails their entire argument for their actions.

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Originally posted by tleo205:

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I don't recall any of them mentioning what % or number of employees were asymptomatic. Seems like a key reference point to include if they wanted to tell the entire story.

That information is missing in a lot of reports because if a large percentage are not actually ill, it derails their entire argument for their actions.

Because that's exactly the information people need to feel safe resuming life.

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
It's because the homeless population isn't on average over 75 and they don't normally have 100 other things wrong with them. This shit is impacting a very specific group of people. It's the reason all of those bank tellers, grocery store clerks, and other POS employees aren't dying. They don't fit the mold....

The average age of those dying from the Wuhan virus is around 84 which is well above the average life expectancy of Americans.

The fact that we now as a result have tens of millions of able bodied working age men and women sitting on their asses at home doesn't seem to make much sense to me.