MIT polymath criticizes Dr. Fauci and our approach to COVID

Shiva Ayyadurai is a polymath with multiple degrees from MIT, and he's an interesting guy. Also, he's highly critical of Dr. Anthony Fauci, Big Pharma, and the approach we've been taking to dealing with COVID-19.

On April 10, Christina Aguayo interviewed Ayyadurai in "Dr. SHIVA Ayyadurai, MIT PhD Crushes Dr. Fauci Exposes Birx, Clintons, Bill Gates, And The W.H.O." The video lasts 16 minutes, and it's embedded below. I neither advocate nor blast Dr. Ayyadurai's positions. But the man is very well spoken, very fluid, and a pleasure to listen to:



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Originally posted by Shaql:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Negative. No such mask requirements in Georgia and many other states.

You might want to rethink that one. They are requiring masks here now.

Who? Specifically. The state of Georgia has no such requirement.

w all the talk that NY City has had such a massive problem partly because so many use the subway system, Cuomo announces they will start to clean the subway cars now.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...the-subways-n2567899

It's the end of April, meaning we are months into the coronavirus outbreak, and New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo is finally getting around to cleaning the New York City subway system. Now, at long last, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority will be expected to clean the system every night.

"When people get into the train, in the morning, they have to know that that train was disinfected the night before," he said at Wednesday's press briefing.

He "didn't know" how the cleaning would affect service. He's waiting for the MTA to "give him a plan."

Right now, Cuomo said, they are basically telling essential workers, "By the way you may get infected with the coronavirus on the train on the way to work."

He hopes to get to the point where he can assure essential workers that they can have a safe commute.

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seems like something that would have been started weeks ago

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seems like something that would have been started weeks ago

Most certainly, BUT, that pretty much only protects the people that ride it 1st thing in the morning.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:

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Originally posted by Shaql:

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
Negative. No such mask requirements in Georgia and many other states.

You might want to rethink that one. They are requiring masks here now.

Who? Specifically. The state of Georgia has no such requirement.

Sorry - was relating my comment to Costco, not the gov.

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Shiva Ayyadurai is a polymath

Is there an ointment for that???

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Originally posted by Georgeair:
Is there an ointment for that???

If there is... I'll take some!
pol·y·math
/ˈpälēˌmaTH/
noun: a person of wide-ranging knowledge or learning.
"a Renaissance polymath"

Dr Shiva has been drinking from the Mark_A well.

I don't have time to stay current in this thread and to be honest, I get tired of a lot of the petty bitching. This may have been mentioned in this thread and I just didn't see it.

Dr Shiva didn't use this word but he did mention one of the core issues that is causing death. Please look up Cytokine Storm. Look for articles before Covid-19 became the latest herd control panic.

Strengthen your immune system and look for supplements that help mitigate the instances of Cytokine Storms. The supplements that suppress Cytokine Storms are usually associated with cancer prevention. There is a reason for that.

It is nice to see someone with a bunch of initials behind his name validating an old redneck in TN.

If this was mentioned previously I apologize


Mark

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Originally posted by chellim1:
MIT polymath criticizes Dr. Fauci and our approach to COVID

Interesting video, thanks for posting it.


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Originally posted by Tn226:
Pork chops are the new Angel Soft

Well surprise surprise self fulfilling prophecy. Curiosity got the better of me about an hour ago and I went to the store nearest me. All the meat section was empty save a few packages of various odd parts of various animals.

Tn226, there are multiple small farmers in our area that have stock in all meats including pork chops. No waiting in line for your "turn" to spend your money and food that is actually good for you. Very little risk of disease and unlike Costco most probably WANT you to carry. Yes, their prices are more but at least you can draw a line between your stomach and where the meat was raised.

And yes, I raise meat in Middle Tn. Don't know exactly where you are at but I would be happy to connect you to someone close or provide you will all the clean healthy meat you can eat.

www.SchoolBell.Farm

That applies to most of the country. I know small meat producers in just about every mainland state. If you can't find food at the store or just want better food my email is in my profile. I will be happy to track down a local source that can help.

Mark

Polymath is just gender-neutral nerd-speak for what most call a Renaissance Man.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
No wonder why they wanted a new and expensive solution over the Hydroxychloroquine.

This, and why let something cheaper that Trump mentioned possibly gain any traction.

And here I was thinking Bill Gates wanted us all dead....I guess his Event 201 didn't quite have the impact he was hoping for.

Please don't also forget Uncle Bill has multiple millions invested on secure school portals for remote online classrooms.

Doctors warn 'unreliable' ventilators made in China could kill patients

https://www.washingtonexaminer...5S5sPKOCeDLYjgh2jNGw

British doctors have warned that ventilators from China could cause "significant patient harm, including death."

A group of senior doctors in the United Kingdom issued a warning about the deficiencies in 250 ventilators that were sourced from China, including concerns about sanitation and oxygen supply, according to a letter seen by NBC News.

The doctors warned that the oxygen supply was “variable and unreliable” and the quality of the machine was “basic.”

The ventilators were built to be used in ambulances, causing Britain’s National Health Service staff to create makeshift stands in order to use them.

Concerns about sanitation were also raised, as the machines have a fabric case that cannot be cleaned properly.

The letter was written by a senior intensive care doctor, who works at Sandwell and West Birmingham NHS Trust, in one of the U.K.'s hardest-hit regions, according to NBC News. It was addressed to a senior official in the NHS.

China has faced accusations of sending defective personal protective equipment around the world. The Austrian government, for example, has reported that 500,000 masks were “unusable,” and thousands of COVID-19 test kits purchased by the Spanish government had an accuracy rate of only 30%.

Michael Gove, a senior member of Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s government, previously thanked the Chinese government for securing the ventilators.

The U.K.’s Department of Health and Social Care told NBC News that it was aware of the concerns, and none of the ventilators are in use.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
News is touting the new anti viral Remdesivir as the possible savior for the Rona made by Gilead Pharm.
Guess who’s names came up in almost every article about Gilead?
Bill Gates and the Gates Foundation.

No wonder why they wanted a new and expensive

solution over the Hydroxychloroquine.

Take your foil hat off little buddy, Gates is forking out Billions on multiple vaccine manufacturing plants hoping just one of the plants will be the effective vaccine.

I asked this question around 200+ pages ago but I believe it got lost in the middle of an argument. I'll ask again...

Back when I was in EMS, I recall annual training on handling a multitude of potential mass casualty incidents from nuclear release, bio/chemical attack, epidemic/pandemic, etc. I recall from that training, that related to bio attacks/pandemics/epidemics there were specific protocols and procedures that were to be followed once it was identified. Protective gear, designated facilities with quarantine areas complete with decontamination stations for those leaving. In the wider spread incidents National Guard/Army Reserve field hospitals would be deployed immediately, with the skills and equipment to handle the disease and keep victims isolated from the rest of the population.

Not only that, very specific local and regional procedures were supposed to engage immediately to limit the spread.

It is very clear that NONE of this happened. Some national and local measures were taken but it took weeks if not a month to get some of these assets engaged, and in the end they appear to have done nothing. Infected people were allowed to walk into hospitals and Dr. offices at will with no controls.

How did this happen? We were, at one time, supposed to be very prepared for something like this. The threat was identified, the red button was pushed, and things happened automatically per training and SOP.

What changed? When did it change? Who changed it?????

It changed when a tremendous part of the population became infected without knowing it. Once the powers that be figured that out they freaked.

About the only thing they could do at that point was manage the message. Unfortunately they are all too good at that.

Now that everyone has had a chance o freak out and calm down it is time to let the virus burn itself out...

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Kevbo:

I suspect if you went to an AMA forum and found a bunch of doctors that were telling people why they weren’t, just as a random example, following recommendations and guidelines for how to maintain large ship engines ...

Hey, what a coincidence. That's what I do!

Well, since you brought up this random example, I would say that if I were to commence major maintenance on the ship's engines without coordinating with or giving any consideration at all to the deck depart, the results could be catastrophic, especially if the ship were steaming along at full steam ahead at the time in heavy traffic.

Kind of like public health experts making huge public health decisions without any consideration at all to the economy.

Touché.

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Cytokine Storm

https://www.webmd.com/lung/new...ng-some-covid-deaths

Cytokine Storms May Be Fueling Some COVID Deaths
By Brenda Goodman, MA

April 17, 2020 -- One of the great mysteries of the new coronavirus is why it causes only mild disease in most people, but turns fatal for others. In many cases, it seems the worst damage may be driven by a deranged immune response to the infection, rather than the virus itself.

In many of the sickest patients with COVID-19, their blood is teeming with high levels of immune system proteins called cytokines.

Scientists believe these cytokines are evidence of an immune response called a cytokine storm, where the body starts to attack its own cells and tissues rather than just fighting off the virus.

Cytokine storms are known to happen in autoimmune diseases like juvenile arthritis. They also occur during certain kinds of cancer treatment, and can be triggered by infections, like the flu. One study of patients who died of H1N1 influenza, for example, found that 81% had features of a cytokine storm.

Though the virus that causes COVID-19 has been circulating for only a few months, early research shows that like other infections, it, too, may cause this kind of catastrophic immune problem, and researchers say the size of the storm it triggers is gale-force.

How Cells Die
Dozens of studies have been launched to see whether drugs and devices that sop up cytokines, or prevent their release in the first place, may keep COVID-19 patients from dying.

Mukesh Kumar, PhD, is a virologist and immunologist at Georgia State University in Atlanta. He studies how the body responds to infections. In experiments in his high-security lab, he has been infecting cells and animals with SARS-CoV-2 to learn what happens.

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One thing he has observed is that the virus copies itself very quickly once it infects a cell.

“That’s a lot of stress on the cell in a small amount of time,” Kumar says.

The cell begins to send SOS signals.

“When any cell senses that there is something foreign, that there is something bad happening, the immediate response of the cell is to kill itself,” he says, “It’s a protective mechanism so it doesn’t spread to other cells.”

Certain kinds of cytokines trigger cell death. When you have many cells doing this at the same time, a lot of tissue can die. In COVID-19, that tissue is mostly in the lung. As the tissue breaks down, the walls of the lungs’ tiny air sacs become leaky and fill with fluid, causing pneumonia and starving the blood of oxygen.

“Basically, most of your cells will die because of the cytokine storm. It eats away at the lung. They cannot recover,” Kumar says. “It seems to play a role in death in a large number of cases.”

When the lung becomes greatly damaged, respiratory distress syndrome follows. Then other organs start to fail.

Kumar says the amount of cytokines he sees being produced by cells in response to a SARS-CoV-2 infection is about 50 times higher than he has seen in response to Zika or West Nile virus infections.

Researchers aren’t sure what percentage of severely ill patients will die from a cytokine storm, or even why some people who are infected will go on to have this reaction, while others won’t. COVID-19 patients die from other puzzling problems, too, like heart arrhythmias.

The haywire immune attack does seem to play a role in how severe the disease is. One study of 21 COVID-19 patients admitted to a hospital in China, for example, found that the 11 patients who were classified as severely ill because they needed oxygen were much more likely than those who were deemed to be just moderately ill to have higher levels of cytokines. A separate study of 191 COVID-19 patients from two hospitals in China found that higher levels of the cytokine IL-6 were linked to the risk of death from the disease.

Trying to Prevent the 'Storm"
For some patients, drugs that may blunt the body’s attack on itself could be lifesaving.

Ryan Padgett, MD, an emergency room doctor in Washington state, began having symptoms of COVID-19 in early March. He spent nearly 2 weeks on a ventilator and an ECMO machine, and recovered after receiving IV infusions of the rheumatoid arthritis drug Actemra, which blocks the cytokine IL-6 receptor, one of several that soar in the COVID-19 cytokine storm.

Another doctor, Jeff Brown, MD, in Richmond, VA, also recovered from a serious COVID-19 infection after several doses of Actemra. His story was reported by the Richmond Times-Dispatch.

While stories like these are encouraging, researchers caution the drugs were experimental, and the cases don’t really provide solid scientific information about whether the drugs work the way we think they should, or offer any guidance about when they should be used.

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To tease out that information, you need randomized controlled clinical trials, which test a drug against a placebo. Dozens of studies are underway testing Actemra and other drugs to see if they can curb the body’s over-the-top response to the virus. Kumar is planning to test another arthritis drug, called auranofin, for example. He’s seen signs that it can eliminate the virus from infected cells.

These drugs are often expensive. Actemra can cost thousands of dollars per dose, for example. While it’s widely used to help people who have autoimmune diseases, doctors are more cautious about giving it to people with active infections since it tamps down immune functions that may be needed to fight off the virus.

Max Konig, MD, a rheumatologist at Johns Hopkins University, has paused his regular research to study cytokine storms in COVID-19 patients.

He says there’s something unique about the virus that causes COVID-19.

“This virus acts different than other viruses, especially common viruses. Most people who get infected with Epstein-Barr or influenza, they don’t mount this response,” Konig says.

Yet a significant portion of patients who are hospitalized for COVID-19 have higher cytokines.

Rather than blocking cytokines, Konig thinks it may be possible to head off the storm altogether by blocking some of the chemicals that can trigger its release, which are called catecholamines.

“In those situations, we know that before the cytokines become so excessively elevated, there is a surge of catecholamines. If you prevent that surge,” he says, “the immune response just falls flat.”

In theory, this approach might prevent more damage, he says, since the cytokines never get the chance to destroy tissue.

Konig has found some preliminary evidence to support that idea. In a recent study published to medRxiv, Konig and his colleges analyzed the medical records of more than 12,673 people with acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS, the same diagnosis given to many of the severely ill COVID-19 patients. These patients were not infected with the virus that causes COVID-19, however.

He found that patients who were taking medications that block the release of catecholamines -- as some kinds of blood pressure drugs do -- in the year before their diagnosis were about 20% less likely to need to be placed on a ventilator after their diagnosis, compared to others, an effect that was statistically significant.

The study hasn’t been peer-reviewed. It’s part of an effort to get scientific findings out more quickly in the midst of a pandemic. Konig says more research will be needed to find out if this approach will help keep COVID-19 patients out of the hospital, or off ventilators, in the real world.

People are getting restless.

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