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Lawyers, Guns
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Ugly battles erupt as residents fight housing coronavirus patients in their cities

Not in my backyard?
Aren't these the same people who want open borders and sanctuary cities?



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
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You’re not going to see a death rate anywhere near that in the US.

But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of the panic.

I really wish some of y'all would stop raising this straw man. It's getting old.

The big concern, echo'd even in the hype-it-beyond-all-reason "news" media, isn't the mortality rate, but the infectiousness and the potential hit on services and the distribution network.


As others have stated, It’s not the disease itself that’s the biggest issue. It’s the social disruption and interrupted supply lines and services that’s gonna be the problem if everyone gets sick and quarantined. I.e. truck drivers, medical professionals, cops, supermarket workers etc...the glue that holds civilization together. Americans are not used to being uncomfortable and there’s always the possibility people will freak out and turn violent.

As stated previously, I work for one of the worlds largest medical distribution companies. Most of the medical supplies they distribute to American hospitals comes from China. From gowns and gloves to lifesaving medications and equipment. We should probably see some shortages in the next few weeks.

Global distribution of healthcare supplies isn't a supply-on-demand situation. There's a 8 to 10 month backlog of supplies in transit at any given time so your projection as far as horizon shortage is way off. You're also not taking into consideration the impact of the disease as a function of working age, co-morbidities, etc. and if it dramatically spreads here in the U.S., I doubt it will be worse than the annual Flu based on the scientific and epidemiology data.
 
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My wife is an eye doctor so she is face to face with a couple dozen people a day. During flu season she will wear a surgical mask and sometimes asks the patient to wear one if they admit to having a cold or the flu.

I only order masks every 6 months or so, today I tried to order some. I couldn't get them in my cart and check out before they were "out of stock". Plus prices for the masks were close to what they have always been but shipping fees were anywhere from $150 to $400 for about half a pound of freight. I hope they all rot in hell. The craziness is well under way.
 
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Was in HD today. People were looking for N95 masks. They had none. They always have them.

Decided to check Amazon. Nothing. Filter for my 3M respirator are also sold out.

Don't need them myself as I have a few but people are going nuts.


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As I’ve opined before, a “panic buyer” is the one who bought the last of what I wanted just before I tried to buy it.

Or as a paraphrase of the old, “I am firm, you are stubborn, he is a pig-headed fool,” in these situations it’s, “I am prudent, you are fearful, he is panicking.”




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... but people are going nuts.

Not near as I can tell. Not yet.

My wife and I went out to lay in extra supplies, just in case. Major groceries, etc. store. Traffic seemed pretty much normal. I eyeballed the carts of others. My wife's cart and mine were the only ones I saw that were indicative of "stocking up."

I'm not surprised by the masks thing. Consider the average home probably has (had?) none of them, of any type, in stock.

I've a mostly-full box of 3M N95 dust masks out in the garage because I use them regularly. We've an unopened pack of surgical masks down in the pantry, purchased last year when the first SARS outbreak looked like it could become an issue. I purchased a three-pack of reusable, washable cloth masks from Amazon a month ago. Hopefully that'll suffice.



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"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
 
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Was in HD today. People were looking for N95 masks. They had none. They always have them.

Decided to check Amazon. Nothing. Filter for my 3M respirator are also sold out.

Don't need them myself as I have a few but people are going nuts.
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The large hospitals in my area have put N95 masks under lock and key.
 
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From my cold, dead...er, face:


Mask - 1 by kpkina, on Flickr



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From my cold, dead...er, face:

Got one similar to that, too. And, I think, a spare set of filters.



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"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
 
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The large hospitals in my area have put N95 masks under lock and key.

We mailed some to my son in the San Francisco area since he couldn't find them there...

I tried to buy one of these, but Currently unavailable:
Cambridge Mask Co Pro Anti Pollution N99 Washable
https://www.amazon.com/gp/prod...ativeASIN=B071178VDW



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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President Trump is about to have his primetime News Conference on this virus.

Actually, here he goes.


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No fatalities up to age 9. Only 0.2% mortality rate up to age 39 (regular flu is around 0.1%), climbing all the way up to almost 15% if you're 80. Most of the cases are in an overwhelmed area of China, so perhaps the mortality will drop elsewhere.

Right. It will drop elsewhere...
However, it's not the common flu.

It's actually ~3.4%, (based on Johns Hopkins CSSE) which is 68x the flu.

[2,770 (deaths) /81,322 (confirmed infected) * 100 ] = (0.034062 * 100) = 3.4%

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis...40299423467b48e9ecf6



"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor
 
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Yay for drive-through pharmacies, order-ahead groceries, and take-out food.


Which is fine until the employees at those establishments end up coming into contact with customers who are infected, and then end up being carriers themselves.
 
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President Trump is about to have his primetime News Conference on this virus.

Actually, here he goes.

Hmmm... ABC didn't interrupt their "news" to carry it.



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"If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher
 
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President Trump is about to have his primetime News Conference on this virus.

Actually, here he goes.

Hmmm... ABC didn't interrupt their "news" to carry it.
Neither did our local CBS affiliate.



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President Trump is about to have his primetime News Conference on this virus.

Actually, here he goes.

Hmmm... ABC didn't interrupt their "news" to carry it.
Neither did our local CBS affiliate.


Seriously? The President is addressing what many fear will be a life changing Pandemic, and the media ignores it?


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The N95 masks will filter out particles 3 microns and larger.......the estimate of the corona virus is between 1 to 2 microns .... so, there’s that


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The N95 masks will filter out particles 3 microns and larger.......the estimate of the corona virus is between 1 to 2 microns .... so, there’s that

Yes, but the virus largely vectors on particulate matter much larger than 3 microns. So it will work, if you follow the entire protocol (good seal, not touching under the mask, timely replacement, etc.).



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Glad to see Trump attempting to get out in front of this . Read an article today that had Harvard med epidemiologist thinking that the U.S. will see and infection rate greater than 40%.
 
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