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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
I'm still reading the thread for the occasional gem (actual real news or information) ....

I got to that point long ago, but particularly when I realized that some of the most active posters in this thread weren’t reading anything but their own inputs, as evidenced by the fact that they didn’t pay attention to even this one, much less what anyone else had to say:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Please stop with the nested quotes. Totally unnecessary- and it annoys the admin.

Just quote the part you're addressing.

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Originally posted by PowerSurge:
https://www.oann.com/coronavir...ower-than-projected/

Well, that should at least be some comfort to expecting mothers who were otherwise apprehensive about giving birth in the middle of a crowded hospital during a pandemic.

Well, the virus has hit a little closer to home. I just heard a friend's wife is in the ICU with this.

Not close friends but close enough. I've spent time with both of them. He's a diver and used to put together most of our NC wreck trips. She's also a diver but at a more recreational level. They were both on my last overseas dive trip.

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It's Sunday I'm taking a day off from the Covid.
Getting about time for breakfast and a bloody mary.

I'll go with more banjo!

Thank you for posting that video! Love the song and that version is particularly appealing to me!

Nevada Gov Sisolak banned (hydroxy)chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19, ostensibly over concern of hoarders stockpiling the medicine and causing shortages for patients who use the drug for other ailments like Lupus and Rheumatoid Arthritis

But,

According to sources at the drug maker, Concordia Pharmaceuticals Inc, Nevada prisons ordered a large number of their anti-malaria Hydroxychloroquine drug under the name, Plaquenli.

After Sisolak’s ban went into effect, the State Prison hoarded the drug in a mass just in case they had break out.

Gov. Sisolak refused to reverse his order even after the FDA issued an emergency order earlier this week approving the drug for use against COVID 19.


https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...to-the-drug-n2566360

There's not a doctor, nor pharmacist that I know that would heed that order if they felt the drug appropriate for care of CV19.

She is an amazing talent. I love this tribute to her dad...
https://www.bing.com/videos/se...US%26setlang%3den-US

https://www.foxnews.com/sports...virus-bout-at-age-73

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Tom Dempsey, legendary NFL kicker, dead after coronavirus bout at age 73
Dom Calicchio



Tom Dempsey, a retired NFL kicker long known for a 63-yard field goal he kicked in 1970, died Saturday night in Louisiana after a bout with coronavirus, according to reports. He was 73.

Dempsey contracted the virus in March while a resident of the Lambeth House retirement home in New Orleans, where at least 15 patients have died after being stricken with the virus, NOLA.com reported.

As of early Sunday, Louisiana had more than 12,400 confirmed cases of the virus, ranking No. 5 among U.S. states. The New Orleans area has recorded 153 deaths.

Dempsey, who was born without toes on his right foot and without fingers on his right hand, wore a specially made shoe during his NFL career.

His history-making kick for the New Orleans Saints against the Detroit Lions broke the previous NFL record by seven yards. It has since been matched by five kickers – and broken only by Matt Prater of the Denver Broncos, who kicked a 64-yarder in 2013.

At the time, Dempsey’s kick helped gain publicity for the Saints, who were then an expansion club playing in only their fourth season.

Dempsey played two seasons for the team, moving on to play for the Philadelphia Eagles, Los Angeles Rams, Houston Oilers and Buffalo Bills in an 11-year professional career.

Born in Milwaukee, Dempsey grew up in California and played college football at Palomar College near San Diego. He signed with the Saints as an undrafted player in 1969.

After retiring from football, Dempsey and his family returned to New Orleans, where he worked as an oilfield salesman, a high school football coach and a car-dealership manager, NOLA.com reported.

In 2012, he disclosed he was battling dementia, the news outlet reported.

Dempsey is survived by a wife, three children, a sister and three grandchildren, NOLA.com reported.

Amazing he kicked without toes and a shoe with a flat front.

My father in law is in a care facility that had a break out. Just as this was discovered about 2 weeks ago he was having respiratory issues and was transported to the hospital. He tested negative, was treated, and released back to the facility.

Since it had been discovered a number of protocols were put into place at the facility to isolate the infected from the rest. That included all residents being quarantined to their rooms, same staff assigned to the same group of residents, food being delivered, etc.

We got the call last night that he has now tested positive. If he develops symptoms he likely will not survive, but so far they say he is completely asymptomatic.

https://www.washingtontimes.co...-search-origin-dead/

American scientists are actively working to learn the origin of the deadly coronavirus behind the pandemic now spreading around the world, but say a lack of Chinese virus samples has hampered research.

Officials and experts in virology and epidemics tell The Washington Times that researchers need to learn the origins of the virus to find treatments and vaccines and to better prepare for future pandemics.

Robert G. Darling, a medical doctor and expert on biological weapons formerly with the Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland, said it is crucial that researchers find out where the virus originated and how it spread.

“It is imperative that we identify the origin of the SARS CoV-2 virus,” said Dr. Darling, chief medical officer of Patronus Medical.

“The Chinese almost certainly know but they have not shared it. By learning its origin it will better help us understand the biology of the virus and how it behaves.”

A senior State Department official said questions about the origin of the virus need to be answered and noted recent published reports about the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which houses China’s sole high-security virus research center, have raised questions about whether the virus may have leaked.

“It’s the only Level 4 lab in the PRC, built in response to SARS in 2003, so the question is a valid one,” the official said.

However, the official added that “until we are absolutely certain where this is coming from, it would be irresponsible to put something out about lab origins” of the virus.

China’s government has been largely silent on the origin of the virus, while saying the virus made a natural jump from bats to humans or from bats to another wild animal and then to humans.

Recently, Chinese government spokesmen have called for scientific inquiries into the origin of the virus but have not disclosed whether the government is conducting such a study. The Chinese have asked for scientific inquiries into whether the virus was created by the United States — a charge U.S. officials have vehemently dismissed as disinformation.

Authorities in Beijing say the virus outbreak began at a wild animal market in Wuhan, based on reports that many of those first infected worked at the market.

But the skeptics point to a Chinese scientific study that also reported that some early victims had no connection to the market.

They also note the emergence of new insights into the virus that have emerged in recent weeks both from Chinese state media and unofficial online reports, including a censored scientific paper by two Chinese researchers.

The two scientists, Xiao Botao and Lei Xiao, are with the state-run universities in Guangzhou and Wuhan. They argue in the paper that the virus may have escaped from a laboratory near the market.

As for the official Chinese government explanation of a natural transmission, they said it is possible “yet little proof has been reported.”

The researchers said the new virus is very similar to a bat coronavirus found in horseshoe bats, and that the Wuhan Center for Disease Control located close to the suspect market was studying bat viruses.

The center “hosted animals in laboratories for research purpose, one of which was specialized in pathogens collection and identification,” they stated.

The Wuhan laboratory reported Chinese horseshoe bats are natural reservoirs for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus(SARS-CoV) behind the 2002 pandemic and could explain the bat virus research.

“In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan,” the scientists said.

Another clue appeared on YouTube from a Western blogger in China, Matthew Tye, known by the handle “Laowhy86,” who posts frequently about travels and events in China and has 435,000 subscribers.

“I made a very important discovery to finally put an end to the speculation from the Chinese government that the #Coronaviruscame from the USA, Italy, or anywhere else,” he tweeted Wednesday.

Mr. Tye said in a video posted that day that he had new details about the virus’ origin. Information obtained through open-source research identified a worker at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, Huang Yanling, as the suspected “Patient Zero” for the outbreak in Wuhan.

A U.S. official with access to intelligence said without elaborating that the YouTube video is accurate. Mr. Tye could not be reached.

The laboratory issued a statement denying Ms. Huang was the locus of the epidemic. Her photo and biography were removed from the institute website, where they had been posted earlier along with other researchers.

Screen captures of internet postings from the Wuhan Institute of Virology included one for a job opening in November that sought researchers to study links between “coronavirus and bats.” A second job posting on Dec. 24 revealed the Institute was looking to hire multiple researchers. It stated, “We have discovered a new and terrible virus and would like to recruit people to deal with it.”

The YouTube video then mentioned that Mr. Xiao of the South China University of Technology had identified Ms. Huang as Patient Zero who became infected during a laboratory accident and later died. The report said the virus was transmitted to the public by staffers who attended her funeral.

Kelvin Droegemeier, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, asked scientists with the National Academy of Science on Feb. 6 to “rapidly examine” the origins of the new virus.

In a response letter the same day, the academy said the closest known relative of the new virus appeared to be “a virus identified from bat-derived samples collected in China.”

“The experts informed us that additional genomic sequence data from geographically- and temporarily-diverse viral samples are needed to determine the origin and evolution of the virus,” said Marcia McNutt, president of the National Academy of Science in the letter.

“Samples collected as early as possible in the outbreak in Wuhan and samples from wildlife would be particularly valuable,” the letter stated.

The letter said Bai Chunli, president of the Chinese Academy of Sciences, was willing to share virus samples and was “working” with the University of Texas Medical Branch for sharing the virus.

However, Kenneth Plante, director of the virus repository at the Texas university, said China refused to provide any samples needed for studying the virus origin because of what he said was the “political climate.”

Details about the virus will help prepare for the next pandemic and how to develop countermeasures, Fort Detrick’s Dr. Darling said.

Mr. Droegemeier’s Feb. 6 letter cited a disputed, pre-publication scientific draft paper by Indian scientists that suggested the virus may have been manipulated in a laboratory, saying that highlighted the need to learn the origin.

The Indian scientific paper was withdrawn for further study but concluded that “taken together, our findings suggest unconventional evolution of 2019-nCoV that warrants further investigation.”

A second State Department official said there is a lot of public information already on where the virus originated but that the U.S. government has not attempted to address the issue.

“In terms of litigating where the virus was born, that is not something that we have tried to do here because there’s just no way here for us to know,” the second official said.

“Instead we’re focusing on the known facts. … We know the outbreak originated in China and the Chinese government was the first to know. And because of those two facts, which by the way have been acknowledged by the WHO and the Chinese government, [Chinese government officials] have a special responsibility to be transparent.”

Chinese officials have pointed to U.S. research at the ScrippsResearch Institute and published in journal Nature Medicine that concluded, “We can firmly determine that SARS-CoV-2 originated through natural processes.”

That same study, however, states that because China has worked on bat coronaviruses at Level 2 security laboratories, and that the SARS virus has leaked from Chinese labs in the past that the virus could have escaped.

“We must therefore examine the possibility of an inadvertent laboratory release of SARS-CoV-2,” the Nature Medicine study says.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
We got the call last night that he has now tested positive. If he develops symptoms he likely will not survive, but so far they say he is completely asymptomatic.

I'm sorry, a1abdj. Hopefully, he remains asymptomatic. Prayers up.

That's terrible news. I will be thinking of you and he and hoping for the best

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Originally posted by a1abdj:


We got the call last night that he has now tested positive. If he develops symptoms he likely will not survive, but so far they say he is completely asymptomatic.

Not good news but hope for the best. It’s not necessarily a death sentence though as it affects everyone differently.....my mom, age 94 and not in good health tested positive and is now fever free and doing well....

Agreed. I know we have a member who has had friends get it, I believe in New Jersey, but knew it was only a matter of time before it struck closer to home given how large and diverse our membership is

My wife was reading an article that is circulating amongst her colleagues that said it now appears that a fair number of cases remain asymptomatic for the entire course of the disease but unfortunately are still carriers and infectious during that time. So people who don’t feel or look sick, and never get sick, are passing the disease to other people who then can’t figure out how they got it. More reasoning to socially distance yourself. Hopefully your dad is in that category and remains asymptomatic.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
We got the call last night that he has now tested positive. If he develops symptoms he likely will not survive, but so far they say he is completely asymptomatic.

I'm sorry, a1abdj. Hopefully, he remains asymptomatic. Prayers up.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:
My father in law is in a care facility that had a break out. Just as this was discovered about 2 weeks ago he was having respiratory issues and was transported to the hospital. He tested negative, was treated, and released back to the facility.

Since it had been discovered a number of protocols were put into place at the facility to isolate the infected from the rest. That included all residents being quarantined to their rooms, same staff assigned to the same group of residents, food being delivered, etc.

We got the call last night that he has now tested positive. If he develops symptoms he likely will not survive, but so far they say he is completely asymptomatic.

I’m sorry to hear this...why do you say he would likely not survive? Does he have pre-existing conditions?

There have been a lot of comparisons drawn between the H1N1 outbreak of 2009 and the contrast between the social and political response to H1N1 and this Chinese virus. As we are now getting further into this outbreak there is more data to compare the two. Perhaps enough to warrant the difference in response.

H1N1:

First confirmed US fatality 4/27/2009

By April 2010 an estimated 60 million infections resulted in 12,500 deaths over the first year after the first confirmed death.

Covid-19:

First confirmed US fatality 2/29/2020

At the current rate we will have 12,500 confirmed deaths on Tuesday 4/7/2020, 2 months and 1 week from the first confirmed death.

Confirmed cases will be about 400,000 at that point. Most people would agree this is a fraction of the actual infections. If there are 100 infected for every confirmed case that would be 40 million cases in about 3 months.

We may never know the true number of infections but it's clear that this Chinese virus is either a lot more deadly or spreads a hell of a lot faster or both.

We went from 48 to 46 cases in my county. At first, I thought it was because our first case from 3/7 was finally cleared and we had one that passed away. However, both of these are still on our list. Missing from our list is the only non-Florida resident we had on our list, which leads me to believe our cases have gone down by 2 because two left the county.

I do wish they would show the number of active cases.

On another note, the cashier at the local grocery store wiped her nose with her gloved hand while she handled my groceries. About half the shoppers were wearing masks. I think I'm going to as well the next time I go. I'm thinking a Zoro mask and oven mitts, or dive mask and snorkel with a K&N air filter duct taped to the end.

Next to the last paragraph explains why he may have been canned.


Ousted USS Roosevelt Navy captain tests positive for coronavirus

https://www.washingtonexaminer...tive-for-coronavirus



The Navy captain, who was removed from his command of a coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier, has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus.

Two Naval Academy classmates of Capt. Brett Crozier confirmed the diagnosis to the New York Times. Crozier started showing symptoms before his ouster on Thursday, the classmates said. It’s unclear when he was tested for the virus, and he’s being quarantined at Naval Base Guam.

Crozier was fired after the leak of a letter he sent to Navy leaders in which he pleaded for help in containing the virus as it spread throughout the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt.

Secretary of Defense Mark Esper said Sunday that there were 155 confirmed cases of the coronavirus among sailors aboard the aircraft carrier. He added that more than half of the ship had been tested, and there have not been any hospitalizations.

“The letter was sent over not-secure, unclassified email even though the ship possesses some of the most sophisticated equipment in the fleet,” Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said Thursday. “It wasn’t just sent up the chain of command, it was copied to a broad array of other people.”

Videos shared on social media on Friday showed hundreds of sailors aboard the ship cheering for Crozier as he disembarked.

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I do wish they would show the number of active cases.

county by county data is available at

https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en

what county are you in ?

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
The Navy captain, who was removed from his command of a coronavirus-stricken aircraft carrier, has tested positive for the COVID-19 virus.

real hero, that one, eh.