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Originally posted by tleddy:
The best COVID 19 summary I have seen:

WSJ, March 27, 2020, Page R3

Excellent!

Can you copy and past the gist of it for us?

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Originally posted by Chris17404:
Aaaaand... York County, PA is now under a stay-at-home order until April 6th. Wonderful. Thank you, Gov Wolf.

Where is the latest list - as of an hour ago:

The order now includes Allegheny, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Erie, Lehigh, Monroe, Montgomery, Northampton and Philadelphia counties. As of Wednesday, those 10 counties accounted for 80% of the confirmed coronavirus cases in Pennsylvania.

Westmoreland County will soon be included in the stay-at-home order, sources from the county confirmed to Pittsburgh's Action News 4 on Friday.
https://www.wtae.com/article/s...g-allegheny/31900786

I’m hearing the stimulus passed...but can’t verify. Anyone else hearing anything? No access to television or radio now.

Yep it passed. what's all in it who knows?

^^^^^
They had to pass it to find out what's in it. [snort...]

Add Montgomery County, Texas, to the Stay at Home order. It takes effect 11:59 tonight and lasts until April 12th.

Oh. My. God.

I went through the drive through at CVS this morning to pick up a couple of prescriptions. They had a big sign on the window: No, Coronavirus tests are not available at the window.

I was joking about that with the pharmacist. She told me that they actually had someone drive up to the window with human feces in a baggie, asking it they could test it for the virus.

Ugh.

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Yep it passed. what's all in it who knows?

“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.”

― James Madison

Walter Williams: Plunder: An American Way of Life

The only way Congress can give one American $1 is to first take it from another American.

What if I privately took the property of one American to give to another American to help him out? I'm guessing and hoping you'd call it theft and seek to jail me. When Congress does the same thing, it's still theft. The only difference is that it's legalized theft. However, legality alone does not establish morality. Slavery was legal; was it moral? Nazi, Stalinist and Maoist purges were legal, but were they moral?

Some argue that Congress gets its authority to bypass its enumerated powers from the general welfare clause. There are a host of proofs that the Framers had no such intention. James Madison, the "Father of the Constitution," wrote, "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the general welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one." Thomas Jefferson wrote, "Our tenet ever was ... that Congress had not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but were restrained to those specifically enumerated." Rep. William Drayton of South Carolina asked in 1828, "If Congress can determine what constitutes the general welfare and can appropriate money for its advancement, where is the limitation to carrying into execution whatever can be effected by money?"

What about our nation's future? Alexis de Tocqueville is said to have predicted, "The American republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."

https://www.cnsnews.com/commen...er-american-way-life

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
This came in via e-mail yesterday from Texas State Rifle Assoc. Several County Judges (the county's head of emergency management) in Texas are violating the state's pre-emption law by tyring to regulate firearms.

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Dear TSRA Member:

Today, State Representative Dustin Burrows (R-Lubbock), Chairman of the Texas House Committee on Ways & Means, formally requested an opinion from Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) on whether city and/or county officials can prohibit the sale of firearms through an emergency order or declaration by excluding firearms manufacturers and retailers as "essential businesses." On Monday, the Mayor of the City of Lubbock, which is in Burrows' district, issued an order to close all "non-essential" businesses within city limits, with no exemption for gun stores. Other cities and counties, including Waco, Austin, Bexar County, Dallas County and Travis County, have issued similar orders (a copy of Harris County's "stay at home" order was not available as this alert went out.)

These actions by local elected officials could violate the state firearms preemption law, which restricts the authority of cities and counties to enact a patchwork of regulations affecting the sale and transfer of firearms across the State of Texas.

During an emergency, food, water, shelter and adequate medical care are paramount for survival, but so too is the ability of an individual to protect his or herself, as well as their family, home, business and property. The lines of customers outside of firearm retailers across Texas in recent days is testament to the fact that they believe the ability to exercise their constitutional rights protected by the Second Amendment is essential, as they may find themselves facing situations where they need to be their own first responders.

Your TSRA-Legislative Director will continue to monitor this situation and will report to you on further developments.

Update, just received an e-mail from Texas State Rifle Association that Texas' Attorney General issued his opinion (I fully concur with him) and here is a summary

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“Subsections 229.001(a) and 236.002(a) of the Local Government Code prohibit a municipality or county from adopting regulations related to the transfer, possession, or ownership of firearms, or commerce in firearms. These provisions apply to municipal and county regulation “notwithstanding any other law.” Thus, while municipal and county officials possess general emergency authority to control the movement of persons and the occupancy of premises in a local disaster area under Government Code section 418.108, such orders may not regulate or restrict the sale of firearms.”

Entire opinion here

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
Add Montgomery County, Texas, to the Stay at Home order. It takes effect 11:59 tonight and lasts until April 12th.

Monday: no stay at home orders. Friday: Let's be like Harris County.

Their order essentially doesn't change anything over what was already in place.

I heard the scammers are already calling people, asking for their bank account numbers to deposit the $1200

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Originally posted by tigereye313:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:
Add Montgomery County, Texas, to the Stay at Home order. It takes effect 11:59 tonight and lasts until April 12th.

Monday: no stay at home orders. Friday: Let's be like Harris County.

Their order essentially doesn't change anything over what was already in place.

Don't get me started.

Harris County's population as of 2017 was 4,653,000. As of today, we have 203 cases. That would be an infection rate of 0.00436278%. For YOUR county, tatertodd & tigereye, y'all had a 2017 population of 570,934. Your current cases as of today comes to a WHOPPING 41 or an infection rate of 0.00718122%.

So yeah...let's just shut the whole f***in' county down.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The take away for leftist will be that if they scare the populace bad enough, society will embrace the nanny state. This thread illustrates how effective it is even among somewhat conservative folks.

BOOM! You need a MIC DROP right there, buddy, because that is the POST OF THE YEAR thus far...

In a state of 10.5 million (N.C.) we now have 763 cases with only two deaths. We now also have 11 flu deaths this month. I haven't seen the number of confirmed flu cases but I bet it's as high or higher then this covid.

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Originally posted by sgalczyn:


Where is the latest list - as of an hour ago:

The order now includes Allegheny, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Erie, Lehigh, Monroe, Montgomery, Northampton and Philadelphia counties. As of Wednesday, those 10 counties accounted for 80% of the confirmed coronavirus cases in Pennsylvania.

Westmoreland County will soon be included in the stay-at-home order, sources from the county confirmed to Pittsburgh's Action News 4 on Friday.

Latest list for PA here

LIST HERE<<<<

NC Governor, Roy Cooper scheduled a 4:00PM press conference and is expected to announce a mandatory stay in place order for 30 days.

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Originally posted by Jeff Yarchin:
NC Governor, Roy Cooper scheduled a 4:00PM press conference and is expected to announce a mandatory stay in place order for 30 days.

30 days? Are these politicians insane?

Please, please, I am begging for Trump to be right, and to really push the issue of getting things going again by Easter.

For that matter, I hope the churches push the issue. I am pretty sure if you tell Southern Baptists they cannot go to church and congregate on Easter that they are going to respond with a big middle finger.

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Originally posted by bdylan:
The take away for leftist will be that if they scare the populace bad enough, society will embrace the nanny state. This thread illustrates how effective it is even among somewhat conservative folks.

Therein lays the crux, the lefty play card is:
a) Blame Trump 100%
b) Any frustration or, strain shown by govt officials is Trump's fault; twist, exploit, exaggerate all the time
c) .gov fails because of Trump, not because of .gov
d) Any counter-factual information is not allowed and must be labeled a Trump voter, ergo, must minimize/de-platform
d) Rinse, repeat

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Originally posted by Jeff Yarchin:
NC Governor, Roy Cooper scheduled a 4:00PM press conference and is expected to announce a mandatory stay in place order for 30 days.

Cooper is a fucking idiot and a crook. A lot of towns already have a stay home order that starts today until April 16 but there are so many exceptions it's a joke. We already had restrictions in place since the 13th of March and now they want to add to this shit.
Everybody should refuse to obey this ass clown and someone with deep pockets need to take this ass to court over all the constitutional violations and I would be happy to contribute.

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Originally posted by tleo205:

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Originally posted by Jeff Yarchin:
NC Governor, Roy Cooper scheduled a 4:00PM press conference and is expected to announce a mandatory stay in place order for 30 days.

Cooper is a fucking idiot and a crook. A lot of towns already have a stay home order that starts today until April 16 but there are so many exceptions it's a joke. We already had restrictions in place since the 13th of March and now they want to add to this shit.
Everybody should refuse to obey this ass clown and someone with deep pockets need to take this ass to court over all the constitutional violations and I would be happy to contribute.

So what are they going to do?
Put up roadblocks? Or maybe call out the NG?

We are planning on leaving NC on Sunday to go back home....and I only have one magazine..

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Originally posted by 12131:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
And how would you propose enforcing that?

Not enforcing anything. They are medical guidelines and recommendations. Not rules or laws.

Problem is: People aren't even following the guidelines that exist already. That young woman I mentioned? I finally leaned-in a little >< closer and politely said "Excuse me, miss?" She looked. "I don't know if you realize it, but after handling all that stuff you just reached up and rubbed your nose." She laughed and replied "Yeah, I've been having a hard time remembering."

Meanwhile, not only has she risked her own health, but, if she was infected, she spread it to everything she touched. Including the candy bars she put back.

When the cashier held out a bottle of hand sanitizer to offer her a squirt she actually stopped, and visibly debated with herself whether to take advantage of it.

Meanwhile, I could have gotten clear of the store without touching a single thing had not the pharmacy insisted I sign for a trivial prescription that didn't involve any kind of controlled or abused substance.

Then there's a friend of my wife's (I'd forgotten all about this) who's been sick for at least a couple weeks. Sounds like, from what my wife's related, she ticks all the boxes. My wife's tried to talk her into going to her doctor and getting tested. Doesn't want to. Afraid she'll be quarantined. I kid you not.

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Originally posted by 12131:
But, as far as I'm concerned, shutting down the entire system is not the answer.

I'll agree it's certainly far from the optimal answer.

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Originally posted by 12131:
Of course, we will never know, but I will submit to you that the infection rate would be the same with or without total lockdown.

You could well be right. Unfortunately, there's no way to know with any degree of confidence. Sure: It worked in S. Korea. They're also trying a less extreme approach in Sweden. But those are two examples of countries where the populace is more disciplined.

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Originally posted by 12131:

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You've been in direct patient care. Surely you must know these things?

Sure, I know this. But, I'd say, 99% of the patients in my current practice will listen to my recommendation of staying home when they are sick. And, this is long before all this corona thing hit.

Ah, but those are the ones you see. How many of your patients "tough it out" w/o ever bothering to contact you? And, like the vast majority of my ex-colleagues, simply carry on, and carrying whatever it is with which they're infected to all around them?

Of course: No way to know that.