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As an aside, btw: In Detroit, 43 and 38 year old men with no underlying health conditions died today of complications resulting from C19 infections.

How many died from choking? Falls? Car accidents? How about good old medical malpractice?

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Originally posted by preten2b:
If the federal gov was expected to spend 4.3 trillion this year and the deficit was rising, how do we survive paying for 6 trillion more in one spending bill? Does not seem possible or equitable to me. Are we trying to overdose on a money pill, didn't they read the side effects?

change my mind.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by SIG228:

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As an aside, btw: In Detroit, 43 and 38 year old men with no underlying health conditions died today of complications resulting from C19 infections.

How many died from choking? Falls? Car accidents? How about good old medical malpractice?

You missed the point of this post. Just yell "Holy Shit, Holy Shit!" and beg for the government to shut down everything until Christmas 2020. This country has lost its god damn mind at this point. And I reiterate yet again, I think we should remove the heads of 15 media morons and place them on pikes on the capital lawn alongside an equivalent number of liberal politician's heads.

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Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
I'm so disappointed in Michigan... Florida man is handling this better than us...

I had to come down to Florida for work for a night. So far CVS and WaWa both had more usual sundries in stock than any place I've tried to find them at in Michigan. I saw TP, IPA, paper towel, etc. No one seemed to be hoarding anything. I expected so much worse but y'all are disappointing me.

Maybe it's the Michigan weather or something but everyone down here just seems mildly annoyed whereas Michigan seems about one executive order away from a rebellion.

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One of the things that I'm thinking is when this is all done and over with, and there's minimal lives lost, and amount of sick people mitigated, the Dems are going to yell "Bad Man Trump turned this mole-hill into a mountain! Bad Man Trump blew this way out of proportion! Trump a Bad Man!"

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Why do many of y'all insist on arguing "losing a few old/infirm people ain't worth the economic hit" when that is not the point of the restrictions?

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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One of the things that I'm thinking is when this is all done and over with, and there's minimal lives lost, and amount of sick people mitigated, the Dems are going to yell "Bad Man Trump turned this mole-hill into a mountain! Bad Man Trump blew this way out of proportion! Trump a Bad Man!"

That, in my opinion, is exactly their agenda in this, along with getting all their pigs squeezed in around the trough. They may be assholes, but they know how the budget works. And they know most Americans don’t. This will be their battle cry the closer we get to November. What worries me is the ways they will try to use fraud in the coming election to try and steal it.

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Originally posted by sdy:
At the bottom of this link is a press brief by NY Gov Cuomo

https://hotair.com/archives/jo...actually-increasing/


He lays out the data that shows a NY need for more hospital beds, medical staff, and ventilators.

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo gave an update on the state of the coronavirus in New York earlier today and to say his tone was dire would be underselling it a bit. Cuomo said forecasters had previously told him the virus was coming at the country like a freight train, now they are telling him it’s a bullet train with New York as the first stop: “The rate of new infections is doubling about every three days,” Cuomo said. He added, “We’re not slowing it and it is accelerating on its own.”

“One of the forecaster said to me we were looking at a freight train coming across the country. We’re now looking at a bullet train, because the numbers are going up that quickly,” he said.

Cuomo then explained that the real concern is the moment when the numbers reach their peak, or apex. He had previously said the apex would require hospital beds for 110,000 people. Today he said new modeling suggests that estimate was low. “The new projection suggests that the number of hospital beds needed could be as high as 140,000. So, flatten the curve, flatten the curve. We haven’t flattened the curve and the curve is actually increasing.” The result is that New York is, according to this projection, about 90,000 hospital beds short. Even worse, the state has only about 3,000 ICU beds and may need as many as 40,000.

This apex was initially projected to hit sometime in May but the new data suggests it could be as little as 2-3 weeks away. Cuomo said that with the state having already shut down businesses and increased testing to the highest per capita rate in the world, there is nothing left for the government to do to try to slow down the spread of the virus. The state is testing possible drug remedies and therapies like the one Jazz wrote about earlier but there’s no guarantee any of those efforts will provide a solution in the next two weeks.

Cuomo summed up that portion of his press conference saying, “The inescapable conclusion is that the rate of infection is going up, it is spiking. The apex is higher than we thought and the apex is sooner than we thought. That is a bad combination of facts.”

The remainder of the statement was about how New York was trying to get ready for the bullet train by increasing the number of beds, staff, and equipment. Cuomo said there was a lot of work left to be done on these fronts but suggested the limiting factor would be ventilators. He said everyone in the world is trying to get these and New York cannot get any more. They have 7,000 on hand but he said the state needs 30,000 to deal with the apex. Cuomo pleaded with HHS Sec. Azar to release a federal stockpile of 20,000 ventilators to New York arguing that the situation in the state is far more severe than anywhere else in the country. Here’s the slide he used to make that argument:

Cuomo went on to say that once New York had passed its apex, the ventilators could be redeployed to other areas that need them.

All in all, a very sobering press conference. If the estimates Cuomo is getting from his forecasters are correct then we’re looking at a potential disaster that, as of now, will overwhelm the system in a matter of weeks.

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Originally posted by triggertreat:

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Originally posted by ubelongoutside:
I'm so disappointed in Michigan... Florida man is handling this better than us...

I had to come down to Florida for work for a night. So far CVS and WaWa both had more usual sundries in stock than any place I've tried to find them at in Michigan. I saw TP, IPA, paper towel, etc. No one seemed to be hoarding anything. I expected so much worse but y'all are disappointing me.

Maybe it's the Michigan weather or something but everyone down here just seems mildly annoyed whereas Michigan seems about one executive order away from a rebellion.

Its the area you live in.Down state isnt that bad!.The initial grab a couple weeks ago hit everybody but can find most everything you want.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by SIG228:

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As an aside, btw: In Detroit, 43 and 38 year old men with no underlying health conditions died today of complications resulting from C19 infections.

How many died from choking? Falls? Car accidents? How about good old medical malpractice?

You missed the point of this post. Just yell "Holy Shit, Holy Shit!" and beg for the government to shut down everything until Christmas 2020. This country has lost its god damn mind at this point. And I reiterate yet again, I think we should remove the heads of 15 media morons and place them on pikes on the capital lawn alongside an equivalent number of liberal politician's heads.

One of the things that I'm thinking is when this is all done and over with, and there's minimal lives lost, and amount of sick people mitigated, the Dems are going to yell "Bad Man Trump turned this mole-hill into a mountain! Bad Man Trump blew this way out of proportion! Trump a Bad Man!"

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It's already started. Just saw a commercial on the Tampa Fox affiliate with a moving graph of covid infections while they play snippets of Trump addresses. It ends with saying he's not a leader. It didn't endorse a candidate, and was paid for by some PAC.

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Originally posted by Bisleyblackhawk:
At my Publix there is an employee that sprays down your cart with disinfectant/bleach before you touch it...poor guy that is his only job...one after another ...Walmart is like “let me sneeze on your buggy before you take it”