remember point of reference-- 2009 Swine Flu / H1N1 in US:

60,000,000 infected

250,000+ hospitalizations

12,000+ deaths

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandem...9-h1n1-pandemic.html

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Originally posted by Largefarva:
Has anyone brought up the fact that the stimulus bill is up to 6 TRILLION dollars yet? The dems are throwing every fucking thing into this bill. Fuck that.

Try again. $4 trillion of that is in Federal Reserve lending power to large businesses. It is that to which the Democrats are taking exception.

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Originally posted by SIG228:
How many died from choking? Falls? Car accidents? How about good old medical malpractice?

Logical fallacy: Whataboutism (yes, that's really a thing).

How many people died from how many other causes is not germane to the point I was making. There are many here, mostly those who prescribe to the belief that the economic impact of the social distancing rules isn't worth the gain, who also argue something along the lines of "Eh. So we lose a few old and infirm people."

Also: In addition to the logical fallacy, bonus points for ignoring the larger point I made in that same post.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:
You missed the point of this post. Just yell "Holy Shit, Holy Shit!" and beg for the government to shut down everything until Christmas 2020.

Congratulations, a twofer: Ad hominem and straw man in one

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Originally posted by chellim1:
The cure is worse than the disease. They think they can reinflate the bubble but there's a huge risk. It brings us closer and closer to hyper inflation.

How many times have I seen, right here on SF, the claim Trump is a businessman, knows what he's doing, and is a sure leader with a steady hand? Now, on this one, with which many of you disagree, he's off in the weeds and going to destroy our economy?

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Why do many of y'all insist on arguing "losing a few old/infirm people ain't worth the economic hit" when that is not the point of the restrictions?

Who is arguing that? Is it the tin man?

JFC on a pogo stick! Do you even read what some of these guys are posting. At all?!?! Only the two, three or more just before my post.

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Originally posted by jljones:
I’m actually surprised that the stimulus bill doesn’t have a gun/magazine ban attached.

Same here. As I was reading the list of completely unrelated crap the Dems were trying to add to the bill, I expected that one to show up. Or some other equally egregious anti-gun provisions.

I would just like to add...if this is just a United States issue with hysteria...why are other countries doing the same thing?

You'd think they would have their own experts to review this virus and NOT come to same conclusions about shuts downs being necessary.

So why is the world shutting down if just us, the United States, is over reacting?

I hope I haven't missed that this was posted earlier. If it was please let me know and I will delete. This is an article from Harpers Magazine from 1867 about Davy Crockett. It seems relevant today. It's a little long but I think worth reading to the end.

https://fee.org/resources/not-...LrFN1yCYMToQOHrZQNWA

Horowitz: WHEN did coronavirus begin in the US? And why it matters

The entire political focus of yesterday’s news cycle was the legislative imbroglio between Republicans and Democrats over the coronavirus rescue package. Republicans believe we should presuppose and even continue encouraging an indefinite shutdown while spending trillions to treat it. Democrats believe the same thing and also want to add all their other extraneous progressive policies too. But nobody is asking: Do we really need to intensify the shutdown before we understand the data and projections of the actual virus itself?

Given that the virus was discovered in Wuhan on November 17 (at the latest), when did coronavirus really begin in this country? Roughly how many cases do we think occurred before we began testing during the first week in March, and how many fatalities occurred? How many of the presumed flu deaths, and particularly the presumed pneumonia deaths during what was thought of as a bad flu season, were really due to coronavirus?

These are not mere academic questions. They should determine our public policy response. Knowing when the virus began and what we think occurred in January and February (and perhaps even December) will help determine not only how severe this virus is, but how far along we are into the epidemic. If we really had hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of cases, along with several thousand more fatalities prior to testing, that would mean that the mortality rate is even lower than the 1.2% post-testing average so far. It would also mean we are farther along in the epidemic and that many have already been exposed to it, thereby making a categorical and nationwide lockdown counter-intuitive at this point.

https://www.conservativereview...us-begin-us-matters/

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Horowitz: WHEN did coronavirus begin in the US? And why it matters

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https://www.conservativereview...us-begin-us-matters/

I am quite sure I had the damn thing first week in February. I travel just about every week for work. First week in February I got sick while in Minneapolis. The week before I was in Dallas and home in Florida.

I got a fever, mild head aches and terrible cough and congestion plus just felt like crap with some joint soreness. I rarely ever get sick because my immune system is so strong from travel. I thought the flu but then why the bad cough and congestion, must have been COVID-19. It hit me pretty hard, harder than I can remember being sick in a long time but aspirin and vitamin C helped me a bunch and I carried on. I may need to get the COVID-19 antibody test to be sure. I was able to fly to England on a job site the next week.

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Originally posted by mrw:
I may need to get the COVID-19 antibody test to be sure.

Several people already have reported similar experiences. It would be interesting to know the results of antibody tests they might receive.

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Originally posted by CPD SIG:

One of the things that I'm thinking is when this is all done and over with, and there's minimal lives lost, and amount of sick people mitigated, the Dems are going to yell "Bad Man Trump turned this mole-hill into a mountain! Bad Man Trump blew this way out of proportion! Trump a Bad Man!"

This is not going to be an issue. Once sufficient test kits and doses of the cure are ready, it will be "discovered" that millions of Americans are infected. The .gov has known this and is why they reacted with steps that didn't make sense to rational people.

Bayer and others are making millions of doses of the cure. Cranking it out as fast as they can. Do you think a publicly owned large corporation would do that out of the goodness of their heart JUST IN CASE the cure would be approved and rolled out? Of course not. They know it is going to be distributed as soon as there are enough drugs ready in warehouses.

The .gov, in a fit of a tiny bit of efficiency has actually done an OK job managing this. If our fellow countrymen were rational thinking beings the prognosis could have been discussed from the beginning but there was a need to manage the herd...

There is help for D.C.-area businesses struggling in the coronavirus pandemic. Here is your guide.

https://www.bizjournals.com/wa...e3xU10LhDh_zYmmP9JyY

SNIP: Northern VA

Northern Virginia

Northern Virginia Family Service started up an emergency financial assistance channel where those in need can submit an online application or call 571-748-2552 for help with food, shelter, diapers and wipes, and financial support. Supporters can donate here.

Fairfax County put together this guide to support your mental and physical health.

Fairfax County Public Schools has put together this list of community-based, Northern Virginia organizations that need donations.

Loudoun County has developed interim guidance for local employers.

BizLaunch is also offering virtual strategizing sessions with small business experts to strategize next steps. Click here to schedule an appointment.

Alexandria has placed a moratorium on the collection of the 5% meals tax from roughly 490 restaurants and grocery stores, delayed collection of the 6.5% transient lodging tax and $1.25 per night hotel tax, and extended the filing date of business personal property taxes from May 1 to July 1.

The Northern Virginia Chamber of Commerce will host a three-part, free webinar series March 26 to provide its members and the business community with best practices and insights. Register for Growing Through Challenges When Remote.

4P Foods, a food hub backed by the PATH Foundation, will host a free Taco Tuesday from 12 p.m. to 2 p.m. Tuesday and hand out 500 hot meals through a drive-thru to anyone who pulls up to the Lord Fairfax Community College parking lot in Warrenton. It will be based on a pay-what-you-can model and anyone who pays the $10 will help fund meals for others.

The Alexandria/Arlington Emergency Layoff Aversion Assistance Program will award 11 grants to small businesses who require financial aid to retain their workforce. Participating businesses should have 250 or fewer employees. Application requests should not exceed $7,500, and small requests are encouraged. Decisions will be made by 5 p.m. on March 30. Click here for an application.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:

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It's already started. Just saw a commercial on the Tampa Fox affiliate with a moving graph of covid infections while they play snippets of Trump addresses. It ends with saying he's not a leader. It didn't endorse a candidate, and was paid for by some PAC.

That ad is running here too usually right after his addresses.

Can you imagine how this would have gone if it happened when Barry was President?

why the next 2 to 3 weeks should shed a lot of light ( one way or the other)

From Cuomo’s recent press briefing, some key stats

25,665 confirmed cases in NY state

3,234 people currently hospitalized

3234 / 25665 = 13 % of the confirmed cases are hospitalized

756 ICU patients (ventilator)

756 / 3234 = 23 % of the hospitalized are on ventilator


Rate of cases: 2x every 3 days (very high)

What that means:

25665 confirmed cases now
3 days later 51,330
6 days later 102,660
9 days later 205,320
12 days later 410,640
15 days later 821,280
18 days later 1,642,560

Cuomo said the NY peak is expected in 2 to 3 weeks

Since he says NY will need 140,000 + 40,000 hospital beds, that indicates the expected NY peak will be

1,384,615 confirmed cases (based on 13% needing hospitalization)

Cuomo's a typical leftist fearmonger. For people like that, things are good when things are bad. I wouldn't believe one single word that comes out of that douchebag's mouth. He wants this country to collapse.

"What am I going to do with 400 ventilators? When I need 30,000," Cuomo said. "You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators."

Complete article:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a...who-dies-2020-03-24/

Gee. He's blaming Trump for potential future deaths but he's proud the state has about 100,000 abortions every year...

He's a fearmonger. I despise people like that.

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Originally posted by Patriot:
I would just like to add...if this is just a United States issue with hysteria...why are other countries doing the same thing?

You'd think they would have their own experts to review this virus and NOT come to same conclusions about shuts downs being necessary.

So why is the world shutting down if just us, the United States, is over reacting?

You haven't heard? They're all part of the global conspiracy to take down President Trump and the American economy, so the Democrats can retake the country! (Like the residents of Spain, Iceland, etc... give a shit!!!)

Of course if one is willing to accept the word of the Iranians, Israel (the Jews) are the real masterminds.

It's a bit more complicated than that and I think you know this.

Leftists in this nation are seizing upon the opportunity provided by this panic, to damage the President and the nation, and any of you guys who can't see it should apply for full disability, because you're totally blind.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
"What am I going to do with 400 ventilators? When I need 30,000," Cuomo said. "You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators."

Complete article:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/a...who-dies-2020-03-24/

Gee. He's blaming Trump for potential future deaths but he's proud the state has about 100,000 abortions every year...

Does anyone else see a similarity between our current situation and the cautionary fables were we taught as children about preparing for future hazards vs living solely in the here and now?

No

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Originally posted by Sigmund:
"What am I going to do with 400 ventilators? When I need 30,000," Cuomo said. "You pick the 26,000 people who are going to die because you only sent 400 ventilators."

"…After learning that the state’s stockpile of medical equipment had 16,000 fewer ventilators than New Yorkers would need in a severe pandemic, Gov. Andrew Cuomo came to a fork in the road in 2015. He could have chosen to buy more ventilators. Instead, he asked his health commissioner, Howard Zucker to assemble a task force and draft rules for rationing the ventilators they already had.

That task force came up with rules that will be imposed when ventilators run short. Patients assigned a red code will have the highest access, and other patients will be assigned green, yellow or blue (the worst) depending on a “triage officer’s” decision. In truth, a death officer. Let’s not sugarcoat it. It won’t be up to your own doctor.

Cuomo could have purchased the additional 16,000 needed ventilators for $36,000 apiece or a total of $576 million in 2015. It’s a lot of money but less than the $750 million he threw away on a boondoggle “Buffalo Billion” solar panel factory."

https://www.realclearpolitics....ing_plan_142685.html

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Originally posted by parabellum:
It's a bit more complicated than that and I think you know this.

Leftists in this nation are seizing upon the opportunity provided by this panic, to damage the President and the nation, and any of you guys who can't see it should apply for full disability, because you're totally blind.

Regarding Leftists here in the U.S., I agree wholeheartedly! The evidence of that is how those idiots in the House of Representatives tried to pack the Emergency Aid bill full of self-serving BS. If that isn't an example of crass opportunism and putting their own wants above the needs of the country, I've got a roll of toilet paper I can sell you for $1000.00!