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Coin Sniper |
Right but they've already said its not everyone. 80% recover at home with no medical care. A % of those are barely aware, or aren't even aware they have it. If everyone that got it needed a ventilator within days of exposure clearly that won't work, but that's not what I'm hearing from Dr's and certainly not what we're hearing from recovered patients. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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On hospitalizations vs deaths, early info on ~2500 cases in the US from CDC: https://www.sciencenews.org/ar...an-face-severe-cases In this data, death is heavily biased by age, but hospitalization and ICU care is not nearly as much (except under-20). | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
Last weekend, I posted this research report on Italy's statistics. In the report, Table 1 contained a list of the other comorbidities which Google translated (it was in Italian) as: * Cardiopatia ischemica (Ischemic heart disease) 33% * Fibrillazione atriale (A-fib) 24.5% * Ictus (stroke) 9.6% * pertensione arteriosa (hypertension) 76.1% * Diabete mellito (Diabetes) 35.5% * Demenza (Dementia) 6.8% * BPCO (Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) 13.2% * Cancro attivo negli ultimi 5 anni (Active cancer in the past 5 years) 20.3% * Epatopatia cronica (Chronic hepatopathy) 3.1% * Insufficienza renale cronica (Chronic renal failure) 18% Three of those comorbidities (high blood pressure, diabetes, and cancer) start becoming more and more common in the 30s, 40s, and 50s. In my county, here are the demographics: The hospitalized ones are 40s, 50s, and 90s. In other words, lots of productive Americans who lead normal lives have high blood pressure (1/3 of all Americans) or diabetes (10.5% of all Americans). Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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I believe seeing 20% of hospitalization in NY with COVID were 40 and under. | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
That cousin of mine who was tested in Dallas seems fine, at this juncture. He's still in his boonker (apt.). I am (selfishly) especially pleased. I, still, feel nothing from all of this. Don't take that for a tone of denial or the like. Tentative relief, is more like it, or maybe skeptical optimism. Hurry up and wait (on the results). I'd like to fast forward to the After Action Report. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Would that it were that simple. First of all: I can't even begin to imagine the logistics of fairly cleanly and effectively completely isolating the entire population of the country over sixty years old. Particularly considering this group is large. Very large. These are the boomers. Secondly: It's not just those over sixty. It's also those with co-morbidities such as diabetes, cardio-vascular disease, cancer, etc. Diabetes, in case you missed it, is currently a fairly significant health problem in the U.S., due to the obesity problem we have here. I believe it might even be the fastest-growing disease in the U.S. atm. Finally: Age and co-morbidities primarily affect the outcomes. Even without those, people much younger than sixty, healthy people with no complicating underlying health issues, are being hospitalized for complications related to Covid-19. Some, few, have even succumbed to complications from the disease. (I see, after-the-fact, maladat had posted a graph illustrating my points.) "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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Gracie Allen is my personal savior! |
It's being tied to a funding bill, and anything theoretically having anything to do with solving the crisis can be funded somehow. At the same time, any restrictions Congress imposes on itself always have exceptions for emergencies. Finally, if Congress passes it and the President signs it and the Government enforces it, who's going to take Pelosi to court over what the court is legally bound to treat as (at worst) a procedural faux pas? The logical course would be to challenge the law itself.
You know, looking just at hospitalizations and ICU admissions, once you get past the 20-44 year olds it really kinda just looks like demographics. There are fewer people between 55-64 than there are people who are 65-74 and slightly fewer than there are between 45-54, and the population drops off kinda sharply after you get past the 65-74 year olds. see http://knoema.com/infographics...y-age-and-generation and scroll down slightly Is that graph just showing us a relatively even spread across the population of Americans who are 40 years old or older? | |||
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Wisconsin is going "Shelter in Place" tomorrow. The place is so densely populated, you know. I look outside my house and the nearest mammal is 200 yards away; it's a cow. === I would like to apologize to anyone I have *not* offended. Please be patient. I will get to you shortly. | |||
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************************************* New Mexico starting "Shelter in Place" too. . | |||
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10mm is The Boom of Doom |
America's Wuhan-China virus testing is a complete fucking failure. Is Wuhan-China the end of all life or is it a mere inconvenience. Testing might tell us useful information. But, no. The incompetent big brains can't pull their heads out of their collective asses and actually accomplish what many other nations have managed. But they tell us that eventually we'll have the bestest tests ever. Ever? When? Who knows? A week? A month? A year? A 100 years? In the year 2120, the CDC finely comes out with the worlds perfect Wuhan-China Virus test. Unfortunately, by this point the US has been reduced to a pauper state and can only afford to produce a half dozen tests. The US thus requests emergency financial assistance from Haiti. Meanwhile, back in 2020... Americans have a greater chance of winning the lottery than getting a Wuhan-China virus test. Americans have a greater chance of being killed by terrorists than getting a Wuhan-China virus test. Americans have a greater chance of being abducted by anal-probing space aliens than getting a Wuhan-China virus test. All those responsible for this fuck-up should be sent to Gitmo for the next 100 years. We'll let them out when the tests are ready. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Funny Man |
Perhaps we could quiz the virus in the meantime? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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'Or', imagine sore throat on friday, fever on Saturday, cough on Sunday, feeling a bit better on Monday, feeling a bit better on Tuesday, back to work and normal life on Wednesday. My projection of outcome is every bit as likely as yours for a majority of the population. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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You're far to kind. Air drop all of them from 20k feet into China....without any parachutes. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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10mm is The Boom of Doom |
Sir, you are far too cruel. I am thoroughly disgusted with China, but not even they deserve to have these American bureaucratic asshats inflicted on them. Seriously, have not these poor Chinese suffered enough? While I do not tend toward conspiracy theories, it is hard to imagine how the American response and testing could have been fucked up any more if it had been an act of deliberate treason. God Bless and Protect the Once and Future President, Donald John Trump. | |||
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Oh stewardess, I speak jive. |
In a bit of humorously positive news, the Mayor of Denver had to reverse an order to close the Recreational Weed Dispensaries and the Liquor Stores after a panicked rush by locals to each. Denver Post link | |||
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Baroque Bloke |
“Gun stores across LA were swamped by large crowds stocking up on firearms and ammunition, afraid coronavirus will lead to mayhem. …… Self-described 'prepper' Charles Dawson was the very first to arrive at 6.30am. Equipped with a chair and a camouflage backpack stocked with cash, food and survival gear, the 51-year-old waited for three hours in the cold and wet outside the Martin B. Retting gun store in Culver City, Los Angeles. When the doors finally swung open at 9.30am, the line behind him had swelled to 50 - everyone desperate to buy a gun.” https://mol.im/a/8123285 Serious about crackers | |||
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Savor the limelight |
First, Table 1 only applies to 355 of the 2003 people that died in the report and has nothing to do with those that were hospitalized. Of the 355, .8% had 0, 25.1% had 1, 25.6% had 2, and a whopping 48.5% had 3. Second, of the 2003 that died in that study: 87.7% where 70 or older, 8.6% were 60-69, 2.7% were 50-59, and .8% were 30-49 years old. Third, where did you get this from and hospitalized for what?: "The hospitalized ones are 40s, 50s, and 90s." Fourth, what conclusion are you trying to draw here?: "In other words, lots of productive Americans who lead normal lives have high blood pressure (1/3 of all Americans) or diabetes (10.5% of all Americans)." Based on the study you linked, the conclusion I draw is "lots of productive Americans who lead normal lives have high blood pressure (1/3 of all Americans) or diabetes (10.5% of all Americans)" won't die from COVID 19. Fifth, if I'm reading your county information right, you are saying 40% of those in their 40s have diabetes, high blood pressure, or cancer. I find it interesting that there's a jump from 5% to 40% between 30s and 40s. Then a drop from 35% to 5% between 50s and 60s. So between 50s and 60s what happened? People got healthier? People moved? People dropped dead? | |||
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thin skin can't win |
Sounds like he sucks as a prepper. You only have integrity once. - imprezaguy02 | |||
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Ammoholic |
You know I thought the exact same thing while reading that. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Oh, bigdeal, you're such a softie... "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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