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I've nearly posted about this before. I've started to see more posts on FB and other locations about it. Some people just seem clueless and view it as some easy solution to the COVID-19 problem. Some people are talking about it almost like it's aspirin. It is a useful drug, and may be for COVID-19. But it has serious potential side effects. One potential side effect is permanent retina damage. I was prescribed hydroxychloroquine in the past and I'm very familiar with it. It's serious stuff. When the Dr. prescribed it for me he insisted I immediately talk talk to my ophthalmologist about it. I did and she took it very seriously. While taking the hydroxychloroquine I had regular eye appointments to check for retina damage, she monitored it closely. I was fine, but she had another patient on it that had permanent eye damage. Just a little personal experience and a caution. Anybody just taking this as a preventative or COVID treatment without consulting a Dr. is a fool and risks all sorts of serious problems, some permanent. | |||
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Yes, as an average. Of course today's total new confirmed cases is 5816 for the day so far. Yesterday was over 8000 for the day. I expect we'll top that number today. We may well see at the end of this that the numbers average out smaller, but that doesn't help the hospitals on a day to day basis. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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The "pipeline" still exists and it's simply untrue that it can't be reopened and business can't be resumed. Are we going to hurt for awhile? Absolutely! But enduring some economic pain now can mitigate the far more serious costs associated with losing up to a million or more Americans to the permanent condition of death. We've had a lot of talk over the years about the "Exceptionalism" of American culture, and how the value of the individual and his/her rights matter. But am I the only one who sees just a bit of hypocrisy, when people that aren't at risk due to their age, seem to be just fine with losing a significant percentage of our older citizenry to avoidable death? Are these "young people" (under 65 years of age) the same ones that partied on (ignoring "social distancing") in Florida, and profited from those parties through ownership of local businesses? In the 1970's a dystopian future was portrayed by the SciFi movie "Logan's Run", where life revolved around the wants/needs of those under age 30. Upon reaching 30, individuals were deemed to have used up their utility to the majority and were expected to do their civic duty by reporting a government center for assisted suicide, aka: "Retirement." If one revolted and fled, they were hunted down and murdered for the good of the nation. Today, we're faced with the loss of more than 700,000 American citizens, most of whom would be more than 50 years of age. Are we okay with that? Is it because those under 50 simply aren't a significant fraction of the expected deaths? Many here complain about "abortion on demand" and question the morality of this as a "norm" in a nation dedicated to the sanctity of human life. Is the life of the "unborn" more precious than the lives of those over the age of 50? Aren't we supposed to be "exceptional" because we don't look at Americans as a disposable asset, as a "peasant" or slave, like totalitarian countries such as China, Iran, Cuba, or Venezuela? Why should our citizens' rights mean anything at all if their sole value is determined by their ability to serve the state? Its not hypocritical to write these people off, because you're not one of "them", yet??? We need to recognize that risks associated with a pandemic aren't limited to the loss of life or a depressed economy. The strength of our social fabric is also being tested and if it's torn by selfishness and greed, then who are we to claim we have the moral authority to challenge socialism, communism, or any form of a tyrannical government? "I'm not fluent in the language of violence, but I know enough to get around in places where it's spoken." | |||
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There were approx. 274,000 hospitalized cases in 2009/2010. That equates to 751 cases admitted to the hospital per day. Unfortunately, I can't find any hard data indicating the number of hospitalizations thus far due to Wuhan China Flu. And I'm not sure where you're getting numbers or if you're talking about world-wide data. I'm speaking of the United States ONLY. This CDC data shows nowhere NEAR the numbers you're talking about... https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...9coronavirus-summary The chart toward the bottom indicates the highest number of cases on any given day was 331 on 11-MAR. "If you’re a leader, you lead the way. Not just on the easy ones; you take the tough ones too…” – MAJ Richard D. Winters (1918-2011), E Company, 2nd Battalion, 506th Parachute Infantry Regiment, 101st Airborne "Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil... Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel." - Isaiah 5:20,24 | |||
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From the SAME article you used to be skeptical...I used to be concerned. Its the RATE at which this thing will spread and overwhelm us. So people will die in higher numbers FROM LACK OF RESOURCES. Why is this so hard for people to understand?? From your article: In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%.In the U.S., between April 2009 and April 2010, the CDC estimates there were 60.8 million cases of swine flu, with over 274,000 hospitalizations and nearly 12,500 deaths — that's a mortality rate of about 0.02%.The mortality rate for the novel coronavirus is much higher so far, around 2% (although the number will likely change as more people are tested). That may not sound like a big difference, "but when extrapolated, can mean millions more deaths," Strathdee said. The H1N1 flu was also less contagious than the novel coronavirus. The basic reproduction number, also called the R-nought value, is the expected number of individuals who can catch the virus from a single infected person. For the 2009 H1N1 virus, the mean R-nought value was 1.46, according to a review published in the journal BMC Infectious Diseases. For the novel coronavirus, the R-nought value is estimated to be between 2 and 2.5, at the moment. _____________________________ Pledge allegiance or pack your bag! The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money. - Margaret Thatcher Spread my work ethic, not my wealth | |||
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I think Hydrochloroquin Sulfate (Plaquenil) is a little different than Chloroquin, but I'm no organic chemist. I've been taking plaquenil for years. Yeah, they check your eyes. There's a LOT of people on it for Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus, etc. Just don't OD. That's a bad idea.  | |||
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What's the difference then? You don't know? Year V | |||
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I know the difference between permanently and indefinitely. ——————————————— The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Psalm 14:1 | |||
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I'm sure it's quite toxic. And I'm sure getting the proper dosage might take some study and adjustments. But... treatment for coronavirus should be measured in weeks unlike chronic conditions like Rheumatoid Arthritis and Lupus. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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And you probably won't be able to get accurate numbers on that for a while. We don't know how many new positives are being sent home vs hospitalized. We do know that many aren't even getting tested until they have severe, meaning admitted to a bed, cases. At least according the many of the health professionals. Also these types of decisions are not as yet standardized across the country. There are people bitching because they can't get tested when their doctor orders it and others bitching because they have been hospitalized for days before being tested. So confirmed cases are now a mixture of the walking wounded AND the bedridden. Of course ALL new cases listed today were at best tested yesterday or the day before. I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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I'm sorry, I can't read the article. What's the actual number cited in the article? Percentages are so much fun. I'm 100% percentage more likely to die in the next year if I catch this virus than if I don't. The actual likelihood of my dying in the next year goes from .02% to .04 %. How many of those have other factors? Also, how does that compare to the number of people infected? That's a trick question because we have no clue how many are infected and never will. We (not me, but the medical folks) will not test everyone. We will test folks who have a high likelihood of testing positive, or those who have other factors that increase their individual risk. Just like we do with every other test administered in medicine. We don't test everybody for AIDS, Hepatitis, Herpes, Prostate Cancer, etc. I read in this thread that the average age of those dying in Italy is 79. Of those dying 98% had some other factor. For example, 35% of the 98% had diabetes and 24% of the 98% had A-Fib. These folks got tested. So will other folks displaying flu like symptoms that are in this category. If you are a person, like ensigmatic, who is in a high risk group, or one of your relatives, like ensigmatic's wife, your grandfather, both of my parent's, etc. is in a high risk group, you should take extra precautions. The rest of the world should not shutdown. That's what seems to be working in South Korea. | |||
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As has been posted in this thread numerous times....... https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en I have watched these numbers for over a week and each day compare them to numbers reported in press conferences. These numbers are taken directly from the CDC and State Health Departments in near real time. Also, as stated on the CDC website, they are several days behind on their numbers. Accurate numbers can be obtained through individual states. If date of onset of symptoms is not determined, then that number is not included in CDC's numbers. https://www.cdc.gov/coronaviru...tes/cases-in-us.html I have the heart of a lion.......and a lifetime ban from the Toronto Zoo.- Unknown | |||
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Never made sense why the Chinese locked down 750 Million and we have frozen our economy. Now this might give some insight. https://pjmedia.com/trending/r...-coronavirus-deaths/ If even half true it makes more sense. | |||
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Actually it's used as a prophylaxis for Malaria, so it may end up being that for COVID-19. | |||
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Sorry didn't realize it was behind paywall, just first article I found googling the impact on the younger folks like myself. Hopefully I cut and pasted all correctly, doing it from my cellphone. **** American adults of all ages — not just those in their 70s, 80s and 90s — are being seriously sickened by the coronavirus, according to a report on nearly 2,500 of the first recorded cases in the United States. The report, issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, found that — as in other countries — the oldest patients had the greatest likelihood of dying and of being hospitalized. But of the 508 patients known to have been hospitalized, 38 percent were notably younger — between 20 and 54. And nearly half of the 121 patients who were admitted to intensive care units were adults under 65, the C.D.C. reported. “I think everyone should be paying attention to this,” said Stephen S. Morse, a professor of epidemiology at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health. “It’s not just going to be the elderly. There will be people age 20 and up. They do have to be careful, even if they think that they’re young and healthy.” The findings served to underscore an appeal issued Wednesday at a White House briefing by Dr. Deborah Birx, a physician and State Department official who is a leader of the administration’s coronavirus task force. Citing similar reports of young adults in Italy and in France being hospitalized and needing intensive care, Dr. Birx implored the millennial generation to stop socializing in groups and to take care to protect themselves and others. In the C.D.C. report, 20 percent of the hospitalized patients and 12 percent of the intensive care patients were between the ages of 20 and 44, basically spanning the millennial generation. “Younger people may feel more confident about their ability to withstand a virus like this,” said Dr. Christopher Carlsten, head of respiratory medicine at the University of British Columbia. But, he said, “if that many younger people are being hospitalized, that means that there are a lot of young people in the community that are walking around with the infection.” The new data represents a preliminary look at the first significant wave of cases in the United States that does not include people who returned to the country from Wuhan, China, or from Japan, the authors reported. Between Feb. 12 and March 16, there were 4,226 such cases reported to the C.D.C., the study says. The ages were reported for 2,449 of those patients, the C.D.C. said, and of those, 6 percent were 85 and older, and 25 percent were between 65 and 84. Twenty-nine percent were aged 20 to 44. The age groups of 55 to 64 and 45 to 54 each included 18 percent of the total. Only 5 percent of cases were diagnosed in people 19 and younger. The report included no information about whether patients of any age had underlying risk factors, such as a chronic illness or a compromised immune system. So, it is impossible to determine whether the younger patients who were hospitalized were more susceptible to serious infection than most others in their age group. But experts said that even if younger people in the report were medical outliers, the fact that they were taking up hospital beds and space in intensive care units was significant. And these more serious cases represent the leading edge of how the pandemic is rapidly unfolding in the United States, showing that adults of all ages are susceptible and should be concerned about protecting their own health, and not transmitting the virus to others. The youngest age group, people 19 and under, accounted for less than 1 percent of the hospitalizations, and none of the I.C.U. admissions or deaths. This dovetails with data from other countries so far. This week, however, the largest study to date of pediatric cases in China found that a small segment of very young children may need hospitalization for very serious symptoms, and that one 14-year-old boy in China died from the virus. Of the 44 people whose deaths were recorded in the report, 15 were age 85 or older and 20 were between the ages of 65 to 84. There were nine deaths among adults age 20 to 64, the report said. Some of the patients in the study are still sick, the authors noted, so the results of their cases are unclear. Data was missing for a number of the cases, “which likely resulted in an underestimation of the outcomes,” the authors wrote. Because of the missing data, the authors presented percentages of hospitalizations, I.C.U. admissions and deaths as a range. The report also says that the limited testing available in the United States so far makes this report only an early snapshot of the crisis. Still, the authors wrote, “these preliminary data also demonstrate that severe illness leading to hospitalization, including I.C.U. admission and death, can occur in adults of any age with Covid-19.” Roni Caryn Rabin contributed reporting. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^ Word. "And gentlemen in England now abed, shall think themselves accursed they were not here, and hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks that fought with us upon Saint Crispin's Day" | |||
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For those that are skeptical about the COVID-19 pandemic and the response to it, why are you skeptical? Do you think that evil masterminds in their volcano bases (not including our resident evil mastermind with a volcano base) are out to profit from this? How, did they short the entire world economy? Or is it you disbelieve everything.gov as being another ploy to further abrogate our natural rights? Of do you disbelieve the MSM narrative? Two months ago the MSM couldn't spell mitochondria let alone tell you what it is in words the average person could understand. Other than their thriving on chaos, what benefit do they get from your skeptical view? OR is it simply you see an average mortality rate and the number of people tested for it and can't reconcile even those numbers, much less the mixing pot of numbers thrown out by organization and .gov agencies? Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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This morning on FakeBook, I asked a question to which I can not find an answer. As of yesterday’s news conference (March 22 @ 5:00pm), the Gov of Kentucky said there are 104 confirmed cases (KY population is 4.4+ million). Jefferson County, where I am, has 30 of those cases (Jefferson County population is about 770,000+). Total number tested in Kentucky is 1866. Total Kentucky dead from COVID-19 is 3. My question is: How many of those positive cases are hospitalized? How many are on at-home isolation? How many have recovered? I can not find the answer. I keep hearing/seeing news reports of hospitals being overwhelmed with infected people. The Gov has NOT activated the National Guard, except for a joint agency Command Post operation at the Capital (Boone NG Center). NG units that would normally be activated for such relief operations are Medical, Food Services, Civil Engineer, Transportation, Security/Law Enforcement, etc. So, I can not believe that hospitals, leastwise in a Kentucky, are overwhelmed with patients. Kentucky is basically in a lockdown, even though they haven’t called it that, as only grocery stores, drug stores, and a few other “essential services” are allowed to function. To me, the “cure” seems to be worse than the disease here. --------------------- DJT-45/47 MAGA !!!!! "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on, or by imbeciles who really mean it." — Mark Twain “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard.” — H. L. Mencken | |||
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Whoa! 21M cell phones disconnected. Even if only 10% of that were due to Coronavirus death, that's still 2M deaths in China. | |||
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