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They have lost their collective minds. They should be screaming for the cessation of the use of this unnecessary for most of the population garbage. But they do not.

Mass formation psychosis. Or what we used to call brainwashing. It's based on fear and it's been used by tyrants of all ages.

80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.[/quote]

My niece works as a pharmacist at a local hospital. If you ask a conservative nurse there this question - it's 50/50. Probably an honest answer. If you ask a liberal nurse - it's 99% unvaccinated. Either way - the vast majority of these media statistics are unverifiable.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Unbelievable

That ghoul in LA county, Barbara Ferrer, is going to force every attendee at the Super Bowl to wear a KN95 mask the entire time.

I really hope the NFL tells California to go fuck themselves and moves it to Florida

Ha ha. It's not people like us attending that game - it's primarily the people who voted for and wanted this shit in the first place. (Elitists, hollywood stars, etc.) Good for them and Karma for the NFL.

MIT prof: Israel in 'moral bankruptcy' due to COVID policy

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/321105

Prof. Retsef Levi of the Public Emergency Council for the Coronavirus Crisis says Omicron has toppled the government's COVID narrative.

Prof. Retsef Levi, an expert in risk management and health systems at Massachusetts Institute of Technology and a member of the Public Emergency Council for the Coronavirus Crisis, wrote in a piece published on Thursday by Channel 12 that Israel is in a state of "moral bankruptcy" as a result of its coronavirus policy.

"The State of Israel is in the midst of moral and value-based bankruptcy caused directly by the hysterical, forceful and vindictive policies of Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, Health Minister Nitzan Horowitz and the heads of the Ministry of Health, and enabled by de facto support or thunderous and embarrassing silence by the vast majority of government ministers, MKs, Supreme Court justices, intellectuals and the media.

"Anyone of sound mind who listens to Dr. Coetzee, the prudent and intelligent South African physician who discovered the appearance of the omicron variant and reported it to the world, understands that the omicron is actually a highly contagious cold, affecting most of the population at the level of a few days of runny nose, sore throat and possibly fever, and certainly less by orders of magnitude than influenza. Reports from around the world reinforce the understanding that the omicron, fortunately, spreads rapidly, provides long-term immunity to the infected, but does not pose any threat to most of us, the vaccinated as well as unvaccinated - a cold, unpleasant but going away within a few days.

"The omicron also completely collapsed the narrative of the Prime Minister and the Ministry of Health, not to mention making it a laughingstock. The lofty talk of victory in the battle against the virus through vaccines, the Green Pass, and more vaccines have crashed in the face of reality. It has become clear over and over again that the vaccinated become infected and infect, and even - what can you do? - the 'protected' become infected and infect en masse. It turned out that corona vaccines will not defeat this virus, even if the Ministry of Health uses them as a preventative treatment given every four months.

"With a startup past we would expect Bennett to do what is called in high-tech pivoting, changing direction, and recognize the new reality, and the need to return to sanity and a normal life in the country. We would expect him to finally announce that the state of emergency in Israel has ended, and if he doesn't, the Knesset should do so, and if not the Knesset, the Supreme Court should do so. You would expect him to focus on protecting vulnerable populations, and restoring the mental health of Israeli children. But instead, all of these officials seem to have joined together in the goal that the prime minister has defined of 'embittering the lives of the unvaccinated.' The economy, businesses, children, education and even health are not important, but only to embitter the lives of those who are unvaccinated, unprotected.

"Those who are not vaccinated include about 40% of the Israeli population, many of them combat soldiers and commanders in the army, scientists, teachers, police officers - the salt of the earth. The Ministry of Health calls them in sponsored advertisements and statements in the media by the contemptible derogatory nickname 'anti-vaxxers,' although most of them are vaccinated with all routine vaccines, and even the first two vaccines for corona. To them senior members of the health care system, and 'liberal' thinkers, claim medical treatment should not be given. According to them, a person who has evaded military service, smokes, drinks alcohol excessively and eats to the point of morbid obesity should be treated if he has been vaccinated with three corona vaccines. According to them, a terrorist who remains wounded at the scene of an attack should be treated, but Heaven forbid not a decorated commander, a talented scientist or a dedicated teacher, if they dared to exercise their right not to be vaccinated, or even if they refused to take a booster. Absurd and disgraceful.

"The State of Israel is in the midst of moral bankruptcy, because while the Ministry of Health is considering whether to allow a [corona] confirmed doctor to treat patients, it insists on house arresting a child who tests negative, after being exposed to a confirmed 'protected' teacher, only because his parents decided not to vaccinate him. No science, no health - vindictiveness for its own sake. This is a betrayal, no less, of the state in its basic duty to provide and enable education for all Israeli children without discrimination. The mask seems to have been removed, and there is no longer even a pretense - they are embittering the lives of the unvaccinated children. Disgraceful.

"'There is no choice,' they have been telling us in the Ministry of Health for two years, it's an emergency, the health system is about to collapse. Those with in-depth understanding who have managed the major health systems in Israel will say without hesitation that this is completely incorrect. However, it is also worth telling the Ministry of Health and the Government that if after two years you have not learned to strengthen the excellent and dedicated medical staffs in hospitals and the community, in order to allow normal life in Israel alongside corona, flu and other winter viruses, you should hand in the keys and go home.

"And yes, it is possible to do things differently. There are countries, unfortunately few, where healthy children go to school all the time, and even without masks. States like Florida that are thriving economically, and where the leadership understands that educating children is health, that people working is health, that normalcy and calm are health.

"Prime Minister, Health Minister, ministers, Knesset members, Israeli judges - restore normalcy, cohesion, compassion and health to the citizens of Israel - or you will be directly responsible for this moral bankruptcy."

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
Ha ha. It's not people like us attending that game - it's primarily the people who voted for and wanted this shit in the first place. (Elitists, hollywood stars, etc.) Good for them and Karma for the NFL.

True, and if they show shots of the crowd during the game, it will look as bizarre as it really is.

This fellow is mentioning that natural immunity is showing protection as good as vaccination.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.

My niece works as a pharmacist at a local hospital. If you ask a conservative nurse there this question - it's 50/50. Probably an honest answer. If you ask a liberal nurse - it's 99% unvaccinated. Either way - the vast majority of these media statistics are unverifiable.

It goes even beyond that. How many people are in the hospital because of Covid, versus those who are in the hospital for some other reason and simply tested positive for Covid? It goes way beyond ideology, its now about rampant and blatant dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda that crumbling.

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Originally posted by PASig:
Unbelievable

That ghoul in LA county, Barbara Ferrer, is going to force every attendee at the Super Bowl to wear a KN95 mask the entire time.

I really hope the NFL tells California to go fuck themselves and moves it to Florida

Would really be hillarious if everyone in attendance all stood up at the end of the National Anthem (assuming there is one), removed their face diapers and threw them onto the field. Won't happen, but it would be epic.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PASig:
Unbelievable

That ghoul in LA county, Barbara Ferrer, is going to force every attendee at the Super Bowl to wear a KN95 mask the entire time.

I really hope the NFL tells California to go fuck themselves and moves it to Florida

Would really be hillarious if everyone in attendance all stood up at the end of the National Anthem (assuming there is one), removed their face diapers and threw them onto the field. Won't happen, but it would be epic.

Then they all break out into a chant heard worldwide of “Fuck Joe Biden!”

What if a large portion of the crowd said “fuck it” and took them off and refused to put them back on? My guess is they’d start the game and do close up shots of the sheep wearing their muzzles. A lot of money at stake to the NFL and the very businesses that support vaccinations and mask wearing.

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As far as the vaccines? I decided that if I'm going to get covid (and it appears most everyone eventually will) that my chance of having less severe case will be higher if I've been vax'd. 80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.

How long ago? Will you also take the booster?

I was vax'd last February and took the booster two weeks ago.

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Originally posted by ridewv:
80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.

The problem is that you cannot verify a statement like this. These claims are made all the time. There is no validity to these claims because there is no way for them to be verified by a believable source, none....

Sorry but I'm sure the "claim" is accurate in the hospital I referenced. I have quite a number of friends who work and have worked in this hospital as docs and nurses. One of the nurses is head of her shift in the covid wing, in fact is the one who early on in spite of all precautions carried the virus home to her (doctor) husband, (my friend) who I referenced that had to be ventilated and survived. Other close friends who are shooting buddies, that I ride with, etc. include surgeons, a board member, one of the docs was the previous Chief of Staff of this hospital. So they are absolutely in the know. All happen to be conservative, pro 2nd amendment, Trump supporters, anything BUT Fauci followers. When they say "we only deal with a minority of people with covid but they are the ones who have it the worst and often die, for reference our patients have been running about 80% unvax'd / 20% vax'd". I know it's true.

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Originally posted by ridewv:

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Originally posted by chellim1:

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As far as the vaccines? I decided that if I'm going to get covid (and it appears most everyone eventually will) that my chance of having less severe case will be higher if I've been vax'd. 80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.

How long ago? Will you also take the booster?

I was vax'd last February and took the booster two weeks ago.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

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Originally posted by ridewv:
80% of covid patients in the local hospital are non-vaxed and this percentage has remained pretty constant.

The problem is that you cannot verify a statement like this. These claims are made all the time. There is no validity to these claims because there is no way for them to be verified by a believable source, none....

Sorry but I'm sure the "claim" is accurate in the hospital I referenced. I have quite a number of friends who work and have worked in this hospital as docs and nurses. One of the nurses is head of her shift in the covid wing, in fact is the one who early on in spite of all precautions carried the virus home to her (doctor) husband, (my friend) who I referenced that had to be ventilated and survived. Other close friends who are shooting buddies, that I ride with, etc. include surgeons, a board member, one of the docs was the previous Chief of Staff of this hospital. So they are absolutely in the know. All happen to be conservative, pro 2nd amendment, Trump supporters, anything BUT Fauci followers. When they say "we only deal with a minority of people with covid but they are the ones who have it the worst and often die, for reference our patients have been running about 80% unvax'd / 20% vax'd". I know it's true.

What is considered vaccinated? When the regiment was 2 shots you were not considered vaccinated until 14 days after the last shot. Now the CDC has come out and said if you have not received a booster you are out of date on your vaccines.

So what critera establishes the definiton of vaccinated these hospitals are using?

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So what critera establishes the definiton of vaccinated these hospitals are using?

Those goalposts will forever be on wheels.

Right, I bet I could find more than one unvaccinated employee (unless the hospital will only allow vaxxed caregivers to work there) Which is another reason for not believing the line of bs of your hospital ridewv. Those employee's would provide a completely different conclusion about this topic. Many caregivers across the country have consistently done so. Who has more of an agenda. Follow the money. So no, you are not believable. Sorry.

Btw, I couldn't care less whether you got the jabs or not.

I found this posted on GETTR

This is Christine Anderson, speaking in late 2021.

"No one grants me freedom, for I am a free person."

Hearing this makes my blood rise and gives me hope.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:


So what critera establishes the definiton of vaccinated these hospitals are using?

I don't know the answer but I'll ask.

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Originally posted by ridewv:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
So what critera establishes the definiton of vaccinated these hospitals are using?

I don't know the answer but I'll ask.

What would be the point? The criteria for "vaccinated" changes from day-to-day.

First it was "two jabs." Then it started becoming "two jabs plus the booster." Tomorrow it may become "two jabs plus the booster plus the booster booster," followed the day after by "... plus the booster booster booster."

Nearly 40 percent of all Illinois COVID deaths in the last month are breakthroughs. What gives?

https://wirepoints.org/nearly-...repoints-quickpoint/

Square this one up for us, Gov. Pritzker. On January 3rd, you said that only 5 percent of COVID patients in Illinois’ ICUs were vaxxed.* The implication was that Illinois is suffering from a “pandemic of the unvaccinated.”

But since your comment, nearly 40 percent of all COVID deaths have been breakthroughs. Illinois has experienced 1,007 breakthrough deaths over the last four weeks.

That’s a massive disconnect. How can the vaxxed make up so few of the ICU patients – those most at risk of dying – and yet end up comprising so many of the total COVID deaths?



Wirepoints can think of a couple scenarios that explain that disconnect, but we’re simply not armed with the data that would allow us to confirm them. IDPH doesn’t provide the hospitalization data we need, let alone more detailed data on breakthrough demographics and comorbidities.

Which brings us to the actual point of this piece: The governor shouldn’t make comments that can’t be confirmed by publicly released data from the Illinois Department of Public Health.

This is far from the first time this has happened. Gov. Pritzker and Dr. Ezike have made statements throughout the pandemic that couldn’t be independently verified.

And that erodes trust, if there’s any left.

*Approximately 85% of those hospitalized because of COVID-19 are unvaccinated, while 95% of the approximately 1,100 people in intensive care are unvaccinated, Pritzker said.

https://news.wttw.com/2022/01/...-he-fears-worst-come

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

My niece works as a pharmacist at a local hospital. If you ask a conservative nurse there this question - it's 50/50. Probably an honest answer. If you ask a liberal nurse - it's 99% unvaccinated. Either way - the vast majority of these media statistics are unverifiable. It goes even beyond that. How many people are in the hospital because of Covid, versus those who are in the hospital for some other reason and simply tested positive for Covid? It goes way beyond ideology, its now about rampant and blatant dishonesty in pursuit of an agenda that crumbling.

I believe it is even more unverifiable than you portray. There are several issues.

One is definitions. What, exactly, is a C19 case, and how does the definition vary across different scenarios (hospitalized, tested, clinical observation, video chat, non-symptomatic, etc). For a while, and perhaps still so, vaccinated were only a case if hospitalized and test positive with symptoms, whereas unvaccinated were a case simply with a positive test regardless of symptoms or hospitalization.

Two is method of testing. We know the PCR is wildly inaccurate if run too many cycles, and even cannot reliably differentiate C19 from other bugs.

Three is differences between populations who choose to vaccinate or not. That is, are the unvaccinated typically at higher risk due to other medical comorbidities?

Four is a combination of strain of the virus and prior infection, which plays into item 3 above. Delta is a whole different animal than Omicron. Are the unvaccinated in hospital more likely to not have been infected previously? Up until the most recent few days, hospital patients were more likely to be Delta variant. As we go into the window of Omicron hospitalizations, vaccination status is irrelevant.

Fifth is the way the statistics are generated, e.g. cherry picked start/end dates. So many studies are designed to get a particular result.

No data should be trusted at this point without careful deconstruction.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by PASig:
Unbelievable

That ghoul in LA county, Barbara Ferrer, is going to force every attendee at the Super Bowl to wear a KN95 mask the entire time.

I really hope the NFL tells California to go fuck themselves and moves it to Florida

Would really be hillarious if everyone in attendance all stood up at the end of the National Anthem (assuming there is one), removed their face diapers and threw them onto the field. Won't happen, but it would be epic.

Then they all break out into a chant heard worldwide of “Fuck Joe Biden!”