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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:

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The united front suggests they plan to tell investigators the same story — although legal experts say the joint strategy presents its own risks, should the interests of the four aides begin to diverge as the probe moves ahead.

I would submit that there are three salient points which did not get mentioned.

One is rather prosaic - to a certain degree each of the staffers can save time and money if their lawyer is already versed in all or most aspects of the case.

The second point is that their lawyer now has a pile of trading chips that might result in a deal for all of them if a deal is in fact struck.

The third point is the one I think is particularly likely to have occurred to them. This is a built-in stall in the case that the staffers can use at discretion during much of the process. If the staffers decide their interests have diverged, they can then tell the court that everything has to come to a grinding halt until each of them can find their own lawyer and each of their lawyers are up to speed on the case. This might also open the door to appeals on various bases, including any arguments the new lawyer might have that the old lawyer did something prejudicial to any of the defendants' cases.

IMHO, this would be sufficient to ensure that there is no legal action before the election. And, again IMHO, no defense lawyer with a brain cell in their head would not want to delay the trial until after the election if only because everyone will be less excited about the outcome and the staffers' legal defenses would be less affected by external political pressures and strategies.

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Several lawyers said the legal strategy would certainly benefit Clinton, if not the aides.

Gosh, wouldn't it be funny if the Clintons or some of their friends are the ones actually paying the lawyer's bill? This would raise at least one classic ethical question - is the lawyer responsible to the actual client or the person paying the legal fees? This also, IMHO, raises at least a couple of ways to argue that the initial lawyer screwed up the defendants' cases, which again would create ways to stall the legal process or reverse legal decisions on appeal.

Of course, mere delay is the best they can hope for. Once the election is held, it won't matter, either way.

If she is elected, her first words as President will be "pardon me!" If she loses the election, she'll become a full time grandmother and nobody will remember her name in 6 months time.

May be "procedure" but sounds like more out and out State Dept corruption:

The State Dept agreed that 22 of the emails were Top Secret, but they postponed their review to determine if the emails were TS at the time of transmission.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/s...=2016-04-01-16-33-40

The State Department has suspended its internal review into whether former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton or her top aides mishandled emails containing information now deemed 'top secret."

Spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau said Friday the department had paused the review to avoid interfering with an ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton's use of a private server while she was America's top diplomat.

She said the decision was made after the department sought the FBI's advice on how to proceed with the review and received word that it should follow its standard practice. Trudeau said the department's standard practice is to place internal reviews "on hold while there is an ongoing law enforcement investigation underway."

An FBI spokeswoman declined to comment.

"Of course, we do not want our internal review to complicate or impede the progress of their ongoing law enforcement investigation," Trudeau told reporters. "Therefore, the State Department at this time is not moving forward with our internal review."

Trudeau said the department would "reassess next steps" in the internal review process once the FBI completes its probe.

One aspect of the internal review, which was being conducted by the bureaus of Diplomatic Security and Intelligence and Research, was to investigate whether any of the information in the emails was classified at the time of transmission.

If and when it is completed, the review could result in counseling, warnings or other action against employees if it finds the information was mishandled.

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on one level this makes sense, but given that the State Sept has tried to cloud and delay this issue from the beginning, it seems suspect.

It is also frustrating that all the attention is on the TS emails while the other 2000 + classified emails are ignored.

I just came in to post the above info.

I agree, might be "procedure", but sure sounds more to me like "we don't want to pile on the charges and delaying our investigation until after the election will help Hitlery."

I fail to understand how a strictly internal investigation (their words) would have any effect on the FBI investigation.

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Originally posted by Kadin:
I fail to understand how a strictly internal investigation (their words) would have any effect on the FBI investigation.

If someone has the FBI on their ass why would they even cooperate with an inspector general? Especially if those people don't even work for the agency anymore.

FBI orders State Department to stand down.
Link

It appears the FBI wants some distance between them and the State Department. Could this be the harbinger that criminal indictments are forthcoming?

I'm starting to get a sense that the dissemination of top secret information on Hillary's unsecured Radio Shack junk may be the least of her problems.
The sources of cash flow to the Clinton dry cleaners aka the Clinton Foundation from foreign sources who also had business before the state department may prove to be the silver bullet.
All those deleted yoga and wedding emails ya know.

I've felt for a while now that this is something much bigger. I remember a series of pics of Bill and Zippy playing golf last summer. It appeared to catch some pretty intense dialog between the two. Then there is the general appearance of WJC of late. Age not withstanding, he looks and acts troubled. It takes a lot to rattle a guy who shook his lying finger at the American people. Then there is the daughter. At one point she was the "cause celebre". Remember those times? Now she may poke her head above ground to stump for her mother now and again but is mostly removed.

Something just appears very askew.

I was discussing politics a while back with a very wise older guy. His observation was pretty astute. His opinion was this is a battle between "old money dems" and "new money dems". Akin to crime family battles. This is his observation why Zippy is going to look the other way and let the old guard be fed to the wolves.

We'll see I guess.

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Originally posted by entropy:
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I was discussing politics a while back with a very wise older guy. His observation was pretty astute. His opinion was this is a battle between "old money dems" and "new money dems". Akin to crime family battles. This is his observation why Zippy is going to look the other way and let the old guard be fed to the wolves.

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I was discussing politics a while back with a very wise older guy. His observation was pretty astute. His opinion was this is a battle between "old money dems" and "new money dems". Akin to crime family battles. This is his observation why Zippy is going to look the other way and let the old guard be fed to the wolves.

The most powerful name in Democratic politics for the last 20+ years has been Clinton. HUSSEIN wants to be "the man" for the next 20 years. If Hillary wins, Clinton will be the most powerful name for at least another decade.

HUSSEIN is desperate for his own legacy. A Hillary presidency would deny him that. He might pardon Hillary to keep her from going to prison, but I don't think he will lift a finger to keep her from being drummed out of the race.

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Originally posted by Bigboreshooter:
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The most powerful name in Democratic politics for the last 20+ years has been Clinton. HUSSEIN wants to be "the man" for the next 20 years. If Hillary wins, Clinton will be the most powerful name for at least another decade.

HUSSEIN is desperate for his own legacy. A Hillary presidency would deny him that. He might pardon Hillary to keep her from going to prison, but I don't think he will lift a finger to keep her from being drummed out of the race.

This very well could be the case being Obama is a ego maniac that will never be matched.
Things would be different if the Republican party wasn't in such disarray right now with all the talk of a brokered convention etc.
If the Republicans were in a strong position the administration may feel the need to protect Hillary as their best chance to keep hold of the White House.

If the administration throws the Clinton family under the bus it may be the mother of all the consequences of the Trump candidacy!!

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

This very well could be the case being Obama is a ego maniac that will never be matched.

He is being Trumped right now.

If you want to get a feel for how bad the revelations might be between the Clinton Foundation and the Sec State Hillary Clinton, there is a very good book "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer.

If you want to see a very abridged version of the book, here is a 13 minute interview with Schweizer and Chris Wallace of Fox.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcr...-clinton-cash-trail/

There is much much more in the book.

A very important point is that Schweizer emphasizes he doesn't know whether crimes were committed. He just points out that over and over individuals donated to the Clinton Foundation or funded a $500k to $1M hour speech by Bill Clinton, and then something good happened for them with State Dept involvement. He provides quite a few very detailed examples.

The Clinton campaign has a web site attacking the book. The Clinton team cites this interview w Wallace under their # 1 point "The entire premise of the book has been widely debunked"

If you watch the video, you might come to another conclusion.

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
He is being Trumped right now.

JALLEN, if she and the rest go to trial I can't imagine it would be over and done before the year is out. This would be the trial of the decade.

Let's say a Republican gets in. Can a president pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime?

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Originally posted by PD:

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Originally posted by JALLEN:
He is being Trumped right now.

JALLEN, if she and the rest go to trial I can't imagine it would be over and done before the year is out. This would be the trial of the decade.

Let's say a Republican gets in. Can a president pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime?

Can you spell "Nixon?"

For our purposes, the critical time is between now and November. If the cards are played right, she will be deflected, by stench of someone taking the 5th, an indictment of her and/or very senior staff. Whether it proceeds to trial thereafter is important, but not critical.

OTOH, if she makes it to election day, and wins, it's over. A pardon becomes almost "the people have spoken." The Presidential pardon power is essentially without limit. It is uncertain, unknowable, whether pardoning oneself is a "high crime or misdemeanor" for purposes of impeachment. All such things are fundamentally and solely political, not legal. It is if the House and Senate say it is.

This is getting to be like Scheherazade and her One Thousand and One Nights. Or maybe even like Finding Bigfoot. Always suspenseful, but nothing really ever happens.

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Originally posted by sdy:
If you want to get a feel for how bad the revelations might be between the Clinton Foundation and the Sec State Hillary Clinton, there is a very good book "Clinton Cash" by Peter Schweizer.

If you want to see a very abridged version of the book, here is a 13 minute interview with Schweizer and Chris Wallace of Fox.

http://www.foxnews.com/transcr...-clinton-cash-trail/

There is much much more in the book.

A very important point is that Schweizer emphasizes he doesn't know whether crimes were committed. He just points out that over and over individuals donated to the Clinton Foundation or funded a $500k to $1M hour speech by Bill Clinton, and then something good happened for them with State Dept involvement. He provides quite a few very detailed examples.

The Clinton campaign has a web site attacking the book. The Clinton team cites this interview w Wallace under their # 1 point "The entire premise of the book has been widely debunked"

If you watch the video, you might come to another conclusion.

The Clinton Regime alllllll started in Arkansas. All one must do to get to the core of their evil is watch "The Clinton Chronicles". I'm sure Mr. Schweizer's book just expounds on what we the [aware] people have known for years.

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Let's say a Republican gets in. Can a president pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime?

If it gets to the point where she is indicted criminally Obama will have no interest in giving her a pardon as he allowed the indictment to happen in the first place.
He will pardon OJ before he pardons her at that point.

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Originally posted by lastmanstanding:

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Let's say a Republican gets in. Can a president pardon someone who has yet to be convicted of a crime?

If it gets to the point where she is indicted criminally Obama will have no interest in giving her a pardon as he allowed the indictment to happen in the first place.
He will pardon OJ before he pardons her at that point.

Or maybe he sees the pardon power as having real value after an indictment.

Maybe he's offering a pardon already, with some conditions, but the Clintons aren't agreeing to the terms. They just aren't "getting it." An indictment might convince them to be more "flexible."

Sending a prepared but not yet filed indictment may be just the ticket, but he doesn't have her e-mail address.

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http://www.foxnews.com/transcr...-clinton-cash-trail/.

sdy, thanks for posting. I'll look for the book.

JALLEN, shouldn't we believe the FBI knows about Schweizer's accusations and is acting upon them? If there is no email trail then one would have to believe the Clintons had a runner. Remember Goodfellas? Paulie never spoke face-to-face and never spoke on a phone. He always had runners receive and deliver messages. This would be the perfect job for Huma since it has come out that she did have two jobs - serving two masters who were really the same master.

I think something big is happening, seems like the last three days or so the MSM has been reporting a shit ton of positive stories about Sanders, including the all important "what if" question.

I think they all know Clinton is a sinking ship, and they're all the rats jumping off to save themselves.

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Originally posted by PD:

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http://www.foxnews.com/transcr...-clinton-cash-trail/.

sdy, thanks for posting. I'll look for the book.

JALLEN, shouldn't we believe the FBI knows about Schweizer's accusations and is acting upon them? If there is no email trail then one would have to believe the Clintons had a runner. Remember Goodfellas? Paulie never spoke face-to-face and never spoke on a phone. He always had runners receive and deliver messages. This would be the perfect job for Huma since it has come out that she did have two jobs - serving two masters who were really the same master.

I don't remember Goodfellas, but if Huma did that, the FBI interview could be very entertaining, since they have so many messages and none from HC.