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I don't know. The longer this goes on the more I see it going nowhere

No more negative thoughts please, you'll kill our buzz.

I don't have a crystal ball but every revelation of more serious security violations makes it more likely that just throwing Huma, Mills ,and a few others under the bus will suffice.

Clinton has very high negatives, and climbing and a very high mistrust rating as well. Even her loyal supporters are nervous. Go Bernie-go!!!!

And you can't discount that the media keeps asking her and her campaign about the emails, reporting what Issa and others have to say, and just generally putting the story back in the headlines every so often.

^^^

Yeah, that is what gives me some hope.

Today we had a sitting US Congressman say he has never seen anything more sensitive than what is contained in those 22 withheld emails.

She will be asked, at some point tomorrow, about this. She will still fall back on the "Nothing was MARKED classified" horseshit, which even the liberal media is not buying at this point.

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Originally posted by furlough:
^^^

Yeah, that is what gives me some hope.

Today we had a sitting US Congressman say he has never seen anything more sensitive than what is contained in those 22 withheld emails.

She will be asked, at some point tomorrow, about this. She will still fall back on the "Nothing was MARKED classified" horseshit, which even the liberal media is not buying at this point.

The proper rebuttal to this point includes:
"Did you have knowledge of what kind of information should be classified?"
"Were you briefed on the corrective actions for finding classified material on an unclassified system?"
"Were any of the emails on your private server stripped of their classification markings before they were sent to you?"

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Originally posted by oldRoger:

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I don't know. The longer this goes on the more I see it going nowhere

No more negative thoughts please, you'll kill our buzz.

I don't have a crystal ball but every revelation of more serious security violations makes it more likely that just throwing Huma, Mills ,and a few others under the bus will suffice.

Clinton has very high negatives, and climbing and a very high mistrust rating as well. Even her loyal supporters are nervous. Go Bernie-go!!!!

I think we were fucked with the "Anyone But Clinton" crusade in 2008. We got Zippy instead.

Part of me wants this whole ball to build up. And who ever the Republicans pick, they better demand at least one of the debates be hosted by Fox News. We know they will not go easy on the Hilz in the questioning.

There is a Hillary Clinton website that defends her email use.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com...5/07/13/email-facts/

part of that:

Clinton said she did not use her email to send or receive classified information, but the State Department and two Inspectors General said some of these emails do contain classified information. Was her statement inaccurate?

Clinton only used her account for unclassified email. No information in Clinton's emails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them.

When information is reviewed for public release, it is common for information previously unclassified to be upgraded to classified if the State Department or another agency believes its public release could cause potential harm to national security, law enforcement or diplomatic relations.

After reviewing a sampling of the 55,000 pages of emails, the Inspectors General have proffered that a small number of emails, which did not contain any classified markings and/or dissemination controls, should have been classified at the time they were sent. The State Department has said it disagrees with this assessment.

Clinton hopes the State Department and the agencies involved in the review process will sort out as quickly as possible which of the 55,000 pages of emails are appropriate to share with the public.

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The State Dept continues to allow Clinton to hide behind lies.

A statement like the one highlighted should be simple to confirm/deny.

It is very scary when you absolutely know Clinton is lying about the emails, she knows she is lying, and yet she still may become president. And the State Dept enables her lies every day.

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Originally posted by Il Cattivo:
And you can't discount that the media keeps asking her and her campaign about the emails, reporting what Issa and others have to say, and just generally putting the story back in the headlines every so often.

Do they?

I watch FNC and they talk about it a lot. No the other networks even mention the email issue?

RMD

The Washington Post has an article out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ary-clintons-server/

They hit her in some parts, but open phony "escape hatches" in others.

Here is a part that is particularly misleading:

So how could information sent on an unclassified system turn out to be “Top Secret”? The answer is easy—when State Department officials review it in response to a request for a public release.

“ State’s upgrading process is retroactive ,” said one congressional aide.

“ It’s not a sign of wrongdoing but rather the normal process used by State under all administrations before unclassified documents are made public (usually via FOIA). Often an unclassified email will be retroactively classified to protect foreign and diplomatic communications, for example.”

Yet for intelligence officials, the Clinton controversy has exposed serious shortcomings in how the State Department handles sensitive communications, another congressional aide said.

In the view of intelligence officials, State Department officials have been sending highly sensitive information on the unclassified system–with the expectation that if a FOIA request is made, department officials could then redact the emails and prevent any classified information from becoming public.

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If the above is true, the entire State Dept security office should be fired. What BS that the material is only classified when it is released to the public.

That is one of the most bizarre statements that has been made.

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It is very scary when you absolutely know Clinton is lying about the emails, she knows she is lying, and yet she still may become president. And the State Dept enables her lies every day.

Well, they can't very well confirm her wrong doing; that would implicate the entire State Department was complicit in her illegal actions. They can't very well admit that none of their Information Assurance Managers noticed Hillary Clinton was using a private server for official Government correspondence. It would be inappropriate to expect them to enforce standards, or demonstrate that people are too afraid of Hillary Clinton to do so. That would bode well for her Presidency.

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Originally posted by sdy:

In the view of intelligence officials, State Department officials have been sending highly sensitive information on the unclassified system–with the expectation that if a FOIA request is made, department officials could then redact the emails and prevent any classified information from becoming public.

This, however, violates https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive Order 13526 which states:

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1.7(a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:
(1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3) restrain competition; or
(4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.

But what the hell, the law doesn't matter so why should EO signed by some dipshit President matter?

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Originally posted by IrishWind:
...Fox News. We know they will not go easy on the Hilz in the questioning.

I'm sorry...I don't share your optimism about Fox News in your post. They will lob softballs at her just like Anderson Cooper has done in the Dem "debates", which I would classify as being more like a round-table discussion over afternoon tea.

I'm sorry if that harshes anyone's buzz.....

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Originally posted by domcintosh:

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Originally posted by furlough:
^^^

Yeah, that is what gives me some hope.

Today we had a sitting US Congressman say he has never seen anything more sensitive than what is contained in those 22 withheld emails.

She will be asked, at some point tomorrow, about this. She will still fall back on the "Nothing was MARKED classified" horseshit, which even the liberal media is not buying at this point.

The proper rebuttal to this point includes:
"Did you have knowledge of what kind of information should be classified?"
"Were you briefed on the corrective actions for finding classified material on an unclassified system?"
"Were any of the emails on your private server stripped of their classification markings before they were sent to you?"

It's very frustrating watching reporters fall for the same BS defense from her time after time and not questioning her about her responsibility for being able to recognize information that should be classified, or may become classified, and taking corrective action.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:

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Originally posted by IrishWind:
...Fox News. We know they will not go easy on the Hilz in the questioning.

I'm sorry...I don't share your optimism about Fox News in your post. They will lob softballs at her just like Anderson Cooper has done in the Dem "debates", which I would classify as being more like a round-table discussion over afternoon tea.

I'm sorry if that harshes anyone's buzz.....

I'm not a fan of Fox News, but I think they have some actual reporters on staff in DC. From what I can tell, Catherine Herridge has been doing real journalistic work on this story daily, and it's their reporters who do seem to be among the very few trying to confront Hellary on this instead of just accepting her lame defense.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

quote:

Originally posted by sdy:

In the view of intelligence officials, State Department officials have been sending highly sensitive information on the unclassified system–with the expectation that if a FOIA request is made, department officials could then redact the emails and prevent any classified information from becoming public.

This, however, violates https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive Order 13526 which states:

quote:

1.7(a) In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to:
(1) conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2) prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3) restrain competition; or
(4) prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.

But what the hell, the law doesn't matter so why should EO signed by some dipshit President matter?

This was signed in Dec 2009. Why would he do that? The current law is pretty explicit about document classification. Almost foreshadow...

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As long as the Justice Department is in the control of Attorney General Whatzername,

I think her name is Lynch. Why isn't she living up to her name?

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02...s-hillary-supporter/

The Iowa Democratic party chair who is refusing to release raw vote totals from Monday’s state caucuses is a long-time Hillary Clinton supporter who donated to the politician’s various campaigns and who reportedly drives a Buick with the license plate “HRC 2016.”

Dr. Andrea “Andy” McGuire has shot down calls to review vote tallies from Monday’s contest despite Clinton’s razor-thin win over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. The former secretary of state squeaked by the democratic socialist, hauling in 49.9 percent of state delegate equivalents versus Sanders’ 49.6 percent.

The Clinton campaign claimed complete victory in the caucuses on Tuesday despite the close vote. But others, including the Sanders campaign, are questioning the outcome, citing paperwork irregularities and coin flips that awarded county delegates in some precincts.

In a column published in the Des Moines Register on Thursday, the paper’s editorial board called Monday’s caucuses a “debacle” and said that a complete audit was in order.

It's OK for Hillary because Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice did it too.

Not really, but that will be the media's theme.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...ld%3Ahomepage%2Fcard

Hillary Clinton’s new unlikely ally in email controversy: Colin Powell

By Karen DeYoung and Greg Miller
February 4 at 7:35 PM

Hillary Clinton gained an apparent ally Thursday in her fight to limit the political damage from her growing email controversy, as former Republican secretary of state Colin L. Powell said he disagreed with a State Department decision to retroactively classify two emails from his own personal account while in office.

“I have reviewed the messages, and I do not see what makes them classified,” Powell said of the emails, which were uncovered late last year by the State Department’s inspector general and, he said, brought to his attention by the department in recent weeks.

The emails, initially sent to the State Department by two U.S. ambassadors serving abroad and forwarded to Powell’s account by an aide, were described in notifications sent to Congress in recent days by the State Department and intelligence community inspectors general.

Those notifications also said that 10 emails with retroactively classified information had been found on private accounts of the “immediate staff” of Condoleezza Rice, his immediate successor in the second term of the George W. Bush administration.

The originators of the messages to Powell did not classify them, he said, and “if the department wishes to say a dozen years later they should have been classified, that is an opinion of the department that I do not share.”

Powell has said in the past that he found the State Department computer system, including Internet and email, to be woefully inadequate when he took office there in 2001. He devoted substantial re­sources to improving it but also made liberal use of his personal AOL account.

His entry into the controversy capped a week of revelations and allegations coinciding with the nation’s hotly contested first presidential primary contests in Iowa and New Hampshire. It began with the State Department’s acknowledgment last week that it agreed with an intelligence assessment that “top secret” information was included in 22 of the tens of thousands of emails that passed through the private server Clinton used while in office.

Clinton has said that the emails in question did not originate with her, and that the information was not “marked classified” when she received it. Late Thursday, after Powell’s remarks, her campaign released a statement saying she “agrees with her predecessor that his emails, like hers, are being inappropriately subjected to over-classification.”

The existence of Clinton’s private email server was uncovered as part of a Republican-led congressional investigation of her actions before and after the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya, that left two State Department officials and two CIA contractors dead.

The “top secret” 22 are part of 1,600 Clinton emails the State Department has retroactively classified all or in part, according to a senior congressional aide with access to the material, with the vast majority in the lowest-level category of “confidential.”

One or more refer to North Korea, the aide said, including “some deployment of assets,” an apparent reference to intelligence collection capabilities. But the emails include no attached classified documents or material that could definitively be said to come from classified analysis. “I wouldn’t characterize it as typing off the high side,” the aide said, referring to clearly sensitive material. The messages contain “far more operational discussion than regurgitation of [intelligence] analytical product.”

Other published accounts have said the classified emails include internal commentary on a New York Times story about drone attacks.

The State Department and the intelligence community have clashed over the origin of some of the material, with intelligence agencies saying information could only be gleaned from classified sources and State saying much of it comes from its own personnel simply paying attention to the obvious in the countries in question.

After the “top secret” revelations, Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, indicated to the State Department that he was considering opening an investigation into the extent to which Clinton may have compromised national security.

The House Republican leadership was already considering how to respond to the Clinton email issue, according to a congressional source familiar with the sequence of events. That discussion was pushed toward resolution when Chaffetz, in a Politico interview published Wednesday, said he was preparing to open a new probe of Clinton.

On Wednesday evening, Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) called Chaffetz to a meeting to temper his zeal. He was told that the leaders had made a “collective decision” that anything related to Clinton and her emails “was best left to the FBI,” said the source, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to relate the closed-door discussions. The only exception was the ongoing Benghazi investigation.

The FBI has been conducting an investigation of whether the use of non­government servers violated federal records laws and classification regulations.

Some lawmakers with access to the 22 emails have offered public assessments, generally along partisan lines, of their potential to cause security damage. “They do reveal classified methods. They do reveal classified sources, and they do reveal human assets,” Rep. Chris Stewart (R-Utah), a member of the House Intelligence Committee, told Fox News on Wednesday. “I can’t imagine how anyone could be familiar with these emails, whether they’re sending them or receiving them, and not realize that these are highly classified.”

Committee member Adam B. Schiff (D-Calif.) said Thursday that he would not comment on the content, “and I urge others to let the process proceed unimpeded by politics."

But, Schiff said, “it is more than a little ironic that people are leaking classified information about this while excoriating Secretary Clinton for her handling of classified information. In light of reports that have surfaced indicating that Republican secretaries of state and their immediate staffs had classified information on their personal accounts, the GOP focus on Secretary Clinton is all the more transparently political.”


Senate Minority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) took to the Senate floor late Thursday to agree. By GOP logic, he said, “we would have to criminally charge Secretary Rice, Secretary Powell, the senior staff and everyone else who received these emails. We might have to indict the entire senior level of America’s national security team. . . . This is absurd.”

Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (Md.), the ranking Democrat on the House Oversight Committee, first revealed the inspector general notifications Thursday. He said in a statement that he had been informed of the Powell and Rice emails through a memo marked “Not for Distribution” that was sent by the department’s inspector general to Undersecretary for Management Patrick Kennedy on Wednesday.

The same information, he said, had already been provided to “other congressional staff without authorization” by the intelligence inspector general.

In a letter requesting further information from Secretary of State John F. Kerry, Cummings said that the memo indicated that a records review was being conducted of five previous secretaries of state and their immediate staffs. Out of “potentially sensitive records” referred by the inspector general to the department for further review, he said, the inspector general reported that 12, dating between February 2003 and June 2008, were determined to contain “classified national security information.” Two had been sent to Powell’s personal account and 10 sent to accounts of Rice’s staff.

“According to the memo,” Cummings wrote, “none of the emails was marked as classified.”



Mike DeBonis contributed to this report.

No, that just demonstrates a systemic failure of the State Department to enforce the standards for controlling Classified Material.

Too many bureaucrats happy to disregard the law.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

< snip >

And Colin said there were WMD in Iraq, too.

To think I once held that idiot in high regard.

quote:

Originally posted by furlough:
^^^

Yeah, that is what gives me some hope.

Today we had a sitting US Congressman say he has never seen anything more sensitive than what is contained in those 22 withheld emails.

She will be asked, at some point tomorrow, about this. She will still fall back on the "Nothing was MARKED classified" horseshit, which even the liberal media is not buying at this point.

The State Department has admitted that some of the e-mails were, indeed, MARKED as classified.

flashguy

quote:

Originally posted by sdy:
It is very scary when you absolutely know Clinton is lying about the emails, she knows she is lying, and yet she still may become president. And the State Dept enables her lies every day.

The state department is complicit in this whole mess. Of course they are going to try and run out the clock and pray somehow this whole thing just goes away.

If the FBI recommended an indictment, and DOJ actually indicted her, can you imagine the string of state department and executive branch employees that could/would get sucked into this? This is an incredible nightmare that stretches all the way to the Pennsylvania Avenue.