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Originally posted by parabellum:
What possible difference does it make?

If you are referring to my post the difference is QUITE substantial.

There are those that “attempt” suicide and send texts and make phone calls letting people know what they are about to to. Then low and behold when a family member or first responders arrive they have taken 3 Tylenol and scratched themselves with a sewing needle, or they are sitting there with a knife but have yet to do anything.
These people are not suicidal they are starved for attention but not yet starved enough to actually go through with it.


Then there are those that have reached such a dark place in life they actually go through with it. I have worked a lot of them. In my anecdotal experience very few ever mention anything to anyone and they actually did it.
On a couple occasions people gave it a valiant effort but were unsuccessful and weren’t physically capable of trying again before help arrived.

Like you I can't say I fault them if that is the choice they choose to make. Unfortunately, in most suicides I have been to there was a history of drugs. Which means one may or may not have been fully aware of everything since they were so numbed to reality by these drugs. But that is a discussion for another day.

My point was to the post that stated most leave some sort of documentation and that in my personal experience those that are truly suicidal and actually have gone through with it left no doumentation of their plans.

Going thru high school & college 50+ years ago, there were a handful of acquaintances/classmates who did accomplish suicide. I knew a couple close enough we visited each others homes, and one I played chess with nearly daily for a year.

None of them gave any of the traditional 'signs' of such pending action, and none of them seemed particularly all that depressed. They were all brighter than average.

As far as the official results of the investigations were, 'unknown' reasons for all of them. Whether modern protocols for determining such would be of different results, no way to tell.

There's a lot of quotes from Bourdain that are getting posted around social media, I thought this one was very appropriate that this forum could appreciate but, more importantly, something liberals/leftists should take a hard look at.
Anthony Bourdain on Sichuan Peppers, Sex, Eating Dogs, and Political Correctness

quote:

Bisley: You're a liberal. What should liberals be critiquing their own side for?

Bourdain: There's just so much. I hate the term political correctness, the way in which speech that is found to be unpleasant or offensive is often banned from universities. Which is exactly where speech that is potentially hurtful and offensive should be heard.

The way we demonize comedians for use of language or terminology is unspeakable. Because that's exactly what comedians should be doing, offending and upsetting people, and being offensive. Comedy is there, like art, to make people uncomfortable, and challenge their views, and hopefully have a spirited yet civil argument. If you're a comedian whose bread and butter seems to be language, situations, and jokes that I find racist and offensive, I won't buy tickets to your show or watch you on TV. I will not support you. If people ask me what I think, I will say you suck, and that I think you are racist and offensive. But I'm not going to try to put you out of work. I'm not going to start a boycott, or a hashtag, looking to get you driven out of the business.

The utter contempt with which privileged Eastern liberals such as myself discuss red-state, gun-country, working-class America as ridiculous and morons and rubes is largely responsible for the upswell of rage and contempt and desire to pull down the temple that we're seeing now.

I've spent a lot of time in gun-country, God-fearing America. There are a hell of a lot of nice people out there, who are doing what everyone else in this world is trying to do: the best they can to get by, and take care of themselves and the people they love. When we deny them their basic humanity and legitimacy of their views, however different they may be than ours, when we mock them at every turn, and treat them with contempt, we do no one any good. Nothing nauseates me more than preaching to the converted. The self-congratulatory tone of the privileged left—just repeating and repeating and repeating the outrages of the opposition—this does not win hearts and minds. It doesn't change anyone's opinions. It only solidifies them, and makes things worse for all of us. We should be breaking bread with each other, and finding common ground whenever possible. I fear that is not at all what we've done.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...inal-interviews.html

Anthony Bourdain gave a lengthy, wide ranging interview to journalist Maria Bustillos for her recently launched magazine Popula
In the interview, conducted in February and published Sunday, Bourdain slammed Bill Clinton's handling of his sexual misconduct allegations
He also condemned Clinton's wife Hillary for her role in 'destroying' the women
Bourdain, one of the most outspoken male supporters of the #MeToo movement, said he would have liked to see the producer 'beaten to death in his cell'
He also touched on politics in the Trump-era saying he would compromise his principles for some  'f**king competency'
Bourdain also bizarrely said Jared Kushner's eyebrows appeared 'manscaped' and said he 'was a born snitch'  

Anthony Bourdain pulled no punches in one of his final interviews as the celebrity chef slammed Bill Clinton for being 'rapey, gropey and disgusting' and spoke of how he imagined Harvey Weinstein dying alone in a bathtub.
The globe-trotting food chronicler, who hanged himself in a French hotel in June, gave a lengthy and wide-ranging interview to journalist Maria Bustillos for her recently launched magazine Popula. 
The interview was conducted in one of Bourdain's favorite Irish pubs in New York back in February and was only published on Sunday. It covered everything from Weinstein's downfall, the Clinton-Trump election and even Jared Kushner's eyebrows. 
Bourdain - one of the most outspoken male supporters of the #MeToo movement - touched on Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct allegations, saying it would not have flown today.

Anthony Bourdain pulled no punches in one of his final interviews as the celebrity chef slammed Bill Clinton for being 'rapey, gropey and disgusting' and spoke of how he imagined Harvey Weinstein dying alone in a bathtub.
The globe-trotting food chronicler, who hanged himself in a French hotel in June, gave a lengthy and wide-ranging interview to journalist Maria Bustillos for her recently launched magazine Popula. 
The interview was conducted in one of Bourdain's favorite Irish pubs in New York back in February and was only published on Sunday. It covered everything from Weinstein's downfall, the Clinton-Trump election and even Jared Kushner's eyebrows. 
Bourdain - one of the most outspoken male supporters of the #MeToo movement - touched on Bill Clinton's sexual misconduct allegations, saying it would not have flown today.

Weinstein hosted events and donated personally to Clinton ever since she first ran for public office back in 1999 as a senator for the state of New York. 
Bourdain publicly slammed Hillary on Twitter calling her response 'shameful in its deflection and its disingenuousness'. 
When asked about Clinton's response in his February interview, Bourdain said: 'I will tell you that as frightening as that was at times, when I sat there with Asia, as she texted her sisters… watching the Clinton apology on Weinstein, and (Asia's) watching this statement, there was a lot of anticipation. 
'People were really hoping she'd come out with a… I don't know. Let's just say with something different. I immediately tweeted my disappointment, very much shaped by what I saw around me. And I will tell you, that was really f**king frightening, the reaction to that. You know, I voted for her.

'I was really disappointed with the statement. But even by expressing that (on Twitter), the way that my comment was turned, very neatly - suddenly I wasn't expressing disappointment in her statement; I was blaming her for Harvey Weinstein's crimes. The way that turned very nicely was a good bit of artistry and deeply frightening to me.'
Specifically on Weinstein, Bourdain said while he would have liked to see the producer 'beaten to death in his cell', he had imagined something much different.
'My theory of how he goes is he's brushing his teeth in a bathroom, he's naked in his famous bathrobe, which is flapping open, he's holding his cell phone in one hand because you never know who on the Weinstein board has betrayed him recently, and he's brushing his teeth,' Bourdain said.

'He suddenly gets a massive f**king stroke - he stumbles backwards into the bathtub, where he finds himself with his robe open feet sticking out of the tub, and in his last moments of consciousness as he scrolls through his contacts list trying to figure out who he can call, who will actually answer the phone.'
The interview also covered current politics in the Trump-era with Bourdain saying he would be filling to compromise his principles in exchange for some 'f**king competency' and for someone who has an understanding of how government works. 
'It's like, that's okay, cause Jared will brief me later. Does Jared tweeze his eyebrows? They look manscaped. Those are not natural eyebrows. It's like Howdy Doody time,' Bourdain said. 
'Can you see eight guys standing around, and Jared's out of the room? And they're all co-conspirators, they're all saying, 'ey don't worry bout Jared, he's f**kin' solid, the guy will stand up, he ain't gonna say nothin'.
'No one has ever said that! That f**kin little punk is gonna squeal, just show him a tray of jail food, the guy will f**kin shit himself. That kid was a born snitch.' 
The lengthy interview with Bourdain was conducted months before he took his life in early June in eastern France where he was working on an episode of his show.
Bourdain received several posthumous Emmy nominations last Thursday for his CNN series 'Anthony Bourdain: Parts Unknown'.