Of course France and England would feel this way; they’ve been compromised by millions of invaders of the same type and temperament- that being radical Islam.

In light of much of Europe losing their collective minds and apparently kow-towing to globalism, if I were part of the Israeli government, I’d be starting construction of the proposed “2 kilometer no-man’s land” process. With copious landmines, deep moats of tangled, sharp metal debris, a tall wall, and defensive turrets and rock solid surveillance. Very much like what occurred in World War Z without welcoming in the violent minded trash.

Hamas refuses to disarm until palestinian state established.

There was one. It was called Gaza. How'd that work out?

Those people are absolutely nuts. They're so self-brainwashed and self-absorbed and evil and unable to change, they must be completely defeated, in whatever way that works up to and including elimination. Lots of wars in history where this occurred, and worked, because they left no bad guys or anyone who supported them. Not ideal but sometimes the only viable option. I think Trump was right when he said they want to die, since the only way they will accept to live is to kill every Israeli in existence. It's a pretty sick way to live, but it's their choice, and boy it's a bad one. So they're their own worst enemy, since they want to follow through with the impossible, even if it kills them.

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Hamas refuses to disarm until palestinian state established.

There was one. It was called Gaza. How'd that work out?

My thoughts too. They had their shot.

The past few years have convinced me that the whole "From the River to the Sea" thing might be a good idea, except opposite of the way Hamas and their cheerleaders mean it.

Michael Goodwin: The 2-state delusion must be scrapped — a ‘jihadist’ state would solve nothing
By Michael Goodwin
Published Aug. 2, 2025, 10:36 p.m. ET

Just months after Adolf Hitler started World War II, Winston Churchill smartly summarized why Europe’s hopes for peace had been shattered.

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last,” the new prime minister said in a speech.

His stark imagery mocked the foolish efforts to head off war, infamously led by Churchill’s predecessor, Neville Chamberlain, who insisted Hitler really wanted peace.

Chamberlain was delusional and the global conflict that followed turned his name into a permanent warning about the wages of weakness.

Yet here we go again, with the current leaders of Britain, France and Canada falling into the trap.

Their delusion is that Palestinians, including Hamas and other terror groups, really want peace and will live in harmony with Israel once they have a nation of their own.

The clamor for a Palestinian state is the appeasement of our times.

It travels under the disguise of a “two-state solution.”

Who can be against a solution?

‘River to the sea’
Except a Palestinian state wouldn’t solve anything.

Quite the opposite, it would set the stage for another round of bloodletting.

As such, think of it as the two-state delusion.

That’s what it is because too many Islamists, from Iran to Arab lands and around the world, remain committed to destroying the Jewish state.

They don’t want to live in peace with Israel.

They want to eliminate it.

That’s the essence of the antisemitic chant heard on American college campuses: “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.”

Translation: Palestine will be free of Jews, and Israel will be no more.

That isn’t a problem at the Jew-hating United Nations, which held a two-day conference on the topic last week.

It was little noted that Palestinians already have a state of their own.

Instead of living in peace with their Jewish neighbors, they turned Gaza into a terror state.

Nearly two years after their barbaric invasion of Israel, and while they continue to hold some of the 250 hostages they took on Oct. 7 of 2023, the push to give them a nation isn’t just foolish — it’s obscene.

As President Trump correctly said last week, “You’re rewarding Hamas if you do that. I don’t think they should be rewarded.”

Thankfully, he added that the US is “not in that camp,” referring to support for a Palestinian state by British Prime Minister Keir Starmer, French President Emmanuel Macron and Canada’s Prime Minister Mark Carney.

Each is beset by radical Islamist immigrants, and so their pandering illustrates Churchill’s observation about feeding the crocodile in hopes of being spared.

They are aided and abetted by the Western media outlets that have fallen for the two-state ruse.

‘A Hamas state’
Typical is the nakedly anti-Israel coverage of The Associated Press, which described the UN conference as a serious bid “to end one of the world’s longest conflicts.”

It claimed “the plan would culminate with an independent, demilitarized Palestine living side by side peacefully with Israel.”

That’s a fairy tale, and at least deserves the caveat that it would be necessary to enforce a peaceful Palestinian state to guarantee Israel’s security.

Good luck persuading the Israelis that their security can be outsourced to the United Nations.

Jews there and around the world have said for decades: “If Palestinians lay down their guns, there will be peace. But if the Israelis lay down our guns, there will be no Israel.”

The Jewish nation’s Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar said last week that Israel would not cave in to the “international pressure.”

“Establishing a Palestinian state today is establishing a Hamas state. A jihadist state,” said Sa’ar.

“It ain’t gonna happen.”

Israeli Justice Minister Yariv Levin and Defense Minister Israel Katz said Thursday that the time is ripe for the Jewish state to fully annex the West Bank, touting that the groundwork has already been laid out.
Israel’s top ministers say now is the time to annex the West Bank
The only positive development to come out of the conference was that the Arab League, including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Egypt, Jordan and Turkey, condemned for the first time Hamas’ 2023 invasion and called on the terrorists to release all hostages, disarm and end their rule of Gaza.

But even that progress was undercut by a tone of both-sideism that included outrageous attacks on Israel because of how it responded to the invasion.

The final declaration also urges Israel to cooperate with UN agencies, including UNRWA, whose employees openly fanned the flames of Hamas terror.

It also defends the Gazan Health Ministry, which acts as a Hamas mouthpiece in distorting Palestinian casualties.

‘Right of return’ farce
Worse, the conference supported the Palestinians’ so-called “right of return” to places in Israel they left or were expelled from during the 1948 creation of Israel.

That would undermine Israel’s security and its existence as a Jewish state.

My view about the push for a Palestinian state is informed by 25 years of covering the topic.

In the summer of 2000, I was on my first trip to Israel just before its Prime Minister, Ehud Barak, and Palestinian chairman Yasser Arafat were scheduled to meet with President Bill Clinton at Camp David to iron out the terms and boundaries of such a state.

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The American Embassy had helped arrange an interview for me with a top aide to Arafat in Ramallah, the de facto capital of the West Bank.

The night before the interview, the late Martin Indyk, then the US ambassador to Israel, suggested a question I might ask.

It ran something like this: If Arafat can’t accept the 92% of the West bank Barak’s government is offering, how would Arafat feel when a more conservative government offers as little as 72% of the West Bank?

When I asked the question, the Arafat aide responded with a phrase he’d used in response to other questions about Arab violence.

“Well, you know,” he said, “there are these groups we can’t control.”

He didn’t name names, but his meaning was clear: There will be violence against Israelis, but don’t blame Arafat because he can’t stop it.

No partner in peace
It was a convenient lie, but the terror leader obviously feared for his own life if he signed a deal.

Much to the shock of Clinton and Barak, Arafat walked away from Camp David without accepting a Palestinian state.

Since then, several Israeli governments have made similar offers of a Palestinian state.

All have been rejected in part because of the Sadat example.

Recall that Egypt’s bold leader, Anwar-el Sadat, was assassinated in 1981 by Islamist extremists two years after signing a peace treaty with Israel’s Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a process facilitated by President Jimmy Carter at Camp David.

Sadat and Begin shared the 1978 Nobel Peace Prize.

Yet 47 years later, there is still no Palestinian state because no Palestinian leader has felt safe enough to recognize Israel’s right to exist in its own secure borders.

Hamas has made it clear it will never accept Israel. Its leaders have promised that given the chance, the horrors of Oct. 7 will be repeated again and again.

The threats prove that a point Israelis have made about Palestinians still prevails: We have no partner for peace.

https://nypost.com/2025/08/02/...rotected-from-hamas/

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They're so self-brainwashed and self-absorbed and evil and unable to change, they must be completely defeated, in whatever way that works up to and including elimination.

Agreed.
Hamas is deeply evil and should be totally eradicated. Can you imagine living next to these savages while the “global community” prevented you from killing your way to liberation from them? We’d never stand for it, and I hope to see Israel crush them to the last man.

^^^^^^^this is the only practical solution. There can be no peace negotiation with a party whose defining resolution is your destruction.

“I asked KSM [Islamic terrorist Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] one time how come, since his brand of Islam is so violent, he calls it the religion of peace. He told me that my problem was that I interpreted the word peace the way Americans always do. He explained that according to his brand of Islam, peace would exist when the entire world was under Sharia law and ruled by a Muslim caliphate. He said Islam is the religion of peace because its aim is to impose Sharia law everywhere and in doing so bring peace to the world.

“KSM said that to make peace with one’s enemies is to convert, subjugate, or enslave them.”

— James E. Mitchell, Enhanced Interrogation (New York: Crown Forum, 2016), 180.

Starve them out. Who supplys food to their enemy duing war? Eventually the populace will have had enough of them. And they kill their own who are trying to get some.

Report: Netanyahu Decides on Full Re-occupation of Gaza Strip

Israeli Prime Minister has decided that the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) will fully occupy the Gaza Strip, given the lack of progress in ceasefire talks and Hamas’s refusal to disarm and to leave the territory willingly.

The Jerusalem Post reported Monday:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has reached a decision for the full occupation of the Gaza Strip, including operations in areas where hostages are held, a source in the Prime Minister’s Office told The Jerusalem Post on Monday.

The Prime Minister’s Office conveyed the message to IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Eyal Zamir: If this does not suit you, then you should resign.
The announcement comes after months of talks in Doha between Hamas, Israel, and mediators to reach a ceasefire-hostage deal.

Occupation would give Israel complete control of movements in Gaza, at the risk of exposure to enemy fire.

The new policy of the Israeli government is sure to draw criticism, but it is also entirely consisted with U.S. President Donald Trump’s statement in February that the U.S. would “own” Gaza, later modified to suggest the U.S. would take over after Israel had done the fighting and cleared Hamas’s terrorists and infrastructure.

Hamas has been emboldened by recent French, British, and Canadian declarations of support for a Palestinian state — which in turn, has helped derail hostage negotiations.

Israel pulled out of Gaza completely in 2005, but has been forced to return in war after war, after Hamas turned the area into a terrorist launching base.


https://www.breitbart.com/midd...tm_campaign=20250804

Came across this and found it interesting. Discusses the West Bank a bit.

I just read about military occupation, and based on the rules and conventions of said occupation, it looks like if the Israelis do it "by the book", it will be like a birthday party for the Gazans since they will have everything handed to them without condition. That sounds like rebuilding a society that still wants you dead and would slit your throat when you turned around to grab the next box of food after handing them twelve loaves of bread and a stack of cash. So Netanyahu will occupy and administer that space, and this will make the Gazans hate Israel ever more, since by observation when you're kind to someone who truly hates you, they hate you even more after. Earlier in this thread there was talk about glassing the place, and to the degree any were trying to be polite by "suggesting" it, it's looks more like an actual working solution. If you take all the bad guys as prisoners of war and separate the women and children from the men, after the occupation is concluded the men will go back to killing you, the children will grow up to hate you and will kill you when they're old enough to carry a knife or a bomb, and the women will pray that their children grow up and cut your throat. Like a criminal pointing a gun at you head and you have a one last chance to kill him first before he pulls the trigger, that's what it seems like for the Israelis. It looks like there may be no remaining path forward for Israeli peace and freedom without something way more permanent than a temporary occupation. If occupation is the first step in preparation for eradication then proceed. If not skip step one and proceed with the rest of the plan.

I just thought of a better idea. Just take it over completely and permanently, as Israel land exclusively. All residents permanently ejected, and the only people allowed to re-populate that space will be loyal Israeli citizens only.

I don't know why Israel is not interested in that idea. For such a small country, it seems logical to me, since it is their land to begin with. Any other peoples that end up occupying it again will continue to hate and kill Israelis. So why not just take it and make it your own.

What the hell is wrong with that.

Pawns is what we all are

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Now, all they are is Dust in the Wind.

If I had been one of the uninjured civilians on the other side of the fence......I'm quite I would have needed a change of underwear !!

I bet they can't hear B. Hussein O.'s prettiest sound on earth for a few days

“Six people have been killed and six others seriously wounded in an attack by Palestinian gunmen in Jerusalem, paramedics and police say.

Israeli police said two "terrorists" arrived in a vehicle and opened fire towards a bus stop at Ramot Junction, on the city's northern outskirts. A soldier and a civilian returned fire, and "neutralised" the attackers, it added.

Israel's Magen David Adom ambulance service said the dead included three men in their 30s, one woman in her 50s, and one man in his 50s. Eight people are being treated for gunshot wounds at local hospitals.

There was no immediate claim from any armed groups, although Hamas praised the attack. …”

BBC article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr70ny0l7vgo

I heard a couple more blurbs about Trump saying more stuff about Gaza. I wish Israel would just take care of business and kill off all remaining combatants, as in all of them, exile all gazans supporting Hamas, and all others who hate or would do harm to Israel, which is probably somewhere between 99% and 100% of them. I have not heard one, not one Gazan, say they do not support Hamas and would leave Gaza the first chance they could.

It's time to eradicate the disease and finish the damn job.

I know it's more complicated than that, but how much more complicated does it actually need to be ? Seems like it's already as complicated as it needs to be to finish the job.

Seriously. How more complicated ? And how much more suffering and angst is required to get the damn job done.