Yep.

I agree. As much as I hate it, being an antisemite is not a crime. Protesting and Jew hatred isn't a crime. Hate crimes aren't crimes. We've survived centuries of it, and will endure.

The problem i have is the hypocrisy. If you want to call things hate crimes (which I don't believe in), then make the punishment the same for a hate crime vs Jew as it would be with a Black victim.

You can't mandate thoughts, but if there are people trespassing, harassing, destroying, B&E, assaulting, or any other crime. Arrest their ass and make them think twice about it.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:
Gaetz is right.

Yes he is...

Gaetz is right and so is Posobiec in that video.

I think we're being spun up for more conflict in this country. When that happens, the government can make a bid for expanding their power, and money can get shuffled around by various organizations into political pockets while cities burn. This is misdirection in an attempt to expand power by various factions.

Spending 2020 and 2021 a twenty minute drive from Seattle convinced me of a few things, and one of those was that I needed to get well the fuck away from any city that was willing to let angry groups get violent and take over chunks of the city because it was going to happen again in 2024, and worse. I don't want to be a doomsayer, but I think we're in for a wild ride for at least the next year, maybe longer. We may or may not get involved in conflicts escalating around the globe, but regardless, they will be used to distract and misdirect our attention from important things going on here in our country. They will be used as excuses and reasons to make changes that will not benefit us in either the long or short run.

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I think we're being spun up for more conflict in this country. When that happens, the government can make a bid for expanding their power, and money can get shuffled around by various organizations into political pockets while cities burn. This is misdirection in an attempt to expand power by various factions.

I’ve been saying this for a couple of years. The leftist machine is intentionally creating a situation where good people in a bad spot are going to lose it and lash out with firearms. Illegals with criminal backgrounds, Palestinians that Biden wants to import and grant citizenship, augmented by our homegrown thugs. The democrats will use that as an excuse to try and enact sweeping legislation. The states that aren’t beholden to the fed will refuse to cooperate or support federal raiders but that won’t stop them from raiding. I feel it will get ugly fast. They will intentionally sacrifice agents to get their way. NOTHING these people are willing to do to target law abiding citizens surprises me anymore.

If you can't look at the Middle East and tell that Israel is 'one of the good guys,' then you are well and truly lost.

It is very simple - Israel is 'good,' and gaza/hamas/etc is 'bad.'

https://hotair.com/john-s-2/20...ot-students-n3787693

Approximately 134 of the 282 people taken into custody at Columbia University and CCNY were not affiliated with either school -- more than 47%...

Investigators are looking at the role of outsiders who were on campus in the days before encampment participants shifted to Hamilton Hall, and whether those people gave the student protesters the idea to take over Hamilton Hall and the tactical knowledge to do it.

The NYPD directed attention to 68-year-old Sami Al-Arian, an accused terrorist deported to Turkey in 2015, who posted a picture of his wife in the tent encampment at Columbia...

Another activist, 63-year-old Lisa Fithian, is one of the people that police say has been escalating student protests. For decades she has been pictured in protests all over the country.

She is the author of a 2019 book called “Shut it Down,” a guide to strategic civil disobedience and has worked as a political organizer for decades, supporting political demonstrations across the country, including Occupy Wall Street in 2011; the protests in Ferguson, Mo., that followed the fatal shooting of Michael Brown by the local police in 2014; and the antiracism movement after the death of George Floyd in 2020.

She has also run workshops for other activists. Unions and activist groups have paid her $300 a day to run demonstrations and teach their members tactics for taking over the streets, according to a 2012 profile in Mother Jones magazine.

Rudy Ralph Martinez, 32, was among the 282 protesters and agitators who were cuffed and hauled away when the NYPD encountered unruly mobs during a crackdown on tent encampments at both schools late Tuesday.

Martinez, who was nabbed at CUNY’s Harlem campus on a burglary charge, is a serial protester on the anti-Israel front, according to law enforcement sources.

Martinez reportedly works at the school after having graduated a couple years ago. Here he is praising Hamas and calling 10/7 "one of the greatest days of my life."

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Well, Rudy, 10/17 didn’t work out well for you, did it? Unintended consequences, and all that …

Seems to be a common occurrence at the protests.

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Portland Police arrest at least 22 anti-war protesters, including a few students

Portland Police Bureau arrested at least 22 protesters, only four were students, during a sweep of Portland State University's library Thursday morning. The group of people had been occupying the library since the evening of April 29.

https://komonews.com/news/loca...-boeing-gaza-jewish-

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:
If you can't look at the Middle East and tell that Israel is 'one of the good guys,' then you are well and truly lost.

It is very simple - Israel is 'good,' and gaza/hamas/etc is 'bad.'

Indeed, I have told several people, “good guys don’t take hostages” and it has shut them up immediately.

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Originally posted by Skins2881:
I agree. As much as I hate it, being an antisemite is not a crime. Protesting and Jew hatred isn't a crime. Hate crimes aren't crimes. We've survived centuries of it, and will endure.

The problem i have is the hypocrisy. If you want to call things hate crimes (which I don't believe in), then make the punishment the same for a hate crime vs Jew as it would be with a Black victim.

That's the crux with these people. They're hyper motivated and screaming for justice, reprisals and attention however, they make no effort for the same when it comes to other country's shoddy human rights records such as Saudi Arabia, Iran, Turkmenistan, Sudan, Chad, etc... There was a period where the media was all about Chinese Uyghurs news stories and insights were churned out weekly...today, not so much, and China is laughing.

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You can't mandate thoughts, but if there are people trespassing, harassing, destroying, B&E, assaulting, or any other crime. Arrest their ass and make them think twice about it.

This is the other half, its one thing to protest, be loud, demand safety and shelter for the displaced but, the actions by many is demanding violence, death, genocide. These people are perfectly fine screaming every manor of cultural insult and derogatory language without seeing the irony in their hate. They've warped the entire definition of genocide, not seeing the irony of their many chants, slogans and demands. There's zero understanding or, any sense of irony, we're dealing with child-like reasoning and thought progression.

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I am not sure how I feel about this. We have plenty of laws on the books to deal with what is happening if they were enforced. I can see the government expanding this in the future to create hate thought laws.

House passes college antisemitism bill amid anti-Israel protests

https://justthenews.com/govern..._campaign=newsletter

The House of Representatives passed a major antisemitism bill on Wednesday, which would crack down on antisemitism on college campuses as protests rage nationwide.

The answer should be easy. You're either a First Amendment, free speech absolutist or you're accepting incremental authoritarianism.

wcb6092, you're correct in that the U.S.A already has plenty of laws on the books without needing something that takes us closer to a Chinese-style social credit system of self-censorship and group think.

From the link about the bill: "Examples of antisemitism include calling for the harming of Jewish people in the name of a radical or extremist view of religion, and accusing Jewish people of inventing and/or exaggerating the Holocaust."

Calling for harming anyone for any reason should not be protected speech. I have no problem with that part of the bill.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...wn-political-donors/

The pro-Palestinian, antisemitic protests on university campuses across the nation are funded by President Joe Biden’s own political donors — which could explain why he hesitates to condemn them and won’t investigate them.

Two of the main organizers behind protests at Columbia University and on other campuses are Jewish Voice for Peace and IfNotNow. Both are supported by the Tides Foundation, which is seeded by Democratic megadonor George Soros as well as the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and it in turn supports numerous small nonprofits that work for social change. (Gates did not return a request for comment, and Soros declined to comment.)

Several other groups involved in pro-Palestinian protests are backed by a foundation funded by Susan and Nick Pritzker, heir to the Hyatt Hotel empire — and supporters of Biden and numerous Democratic campaigns, including $6,600 to the Biden Victory Fund a few months ago and more than $300,000 during the 2020 campaign

Biden has been obsessing over losing Arab- and Muslim-American votes in Michigan — but there may be more Jewish votes to lose in key swing states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia, Nevada, and others

US held up ammo shipment to Israel

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/389458

The Biden administration stopped a shipment of US-made ammunition to Israel last week, Axios' Barak Ravid reported on Sunday citing two Israeli officials.

According to the report, the incident raised serious concerns inside the Israeli government and sent officials scrambling to understand why the shipment was held.

The White House declined to comment.

The Pentagon, the State Department, and the Israeli Prime Minister's Office did not immediately respond to questions.

The Speaker of the US House of Representatives Mike Johnson (R-LA) commented on the report, criticizing the Biden Administration: "This is wholly unacceptable. Israel, our closest ally in the Middle East, is under attack, but the Biden Administration is yet again caving to the pro-Hamas wing of his party. The administration must end this pause immediately."

House Republican Conference Chair Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-NY) commented: "Our great ally Israel is fighting for her existence against barbaric Iranian-backed terrorists and Joe Biden is reportedly stopping shipments of U.S.-made ammunition to Israel.

"This is unacceptable. Joe Biden has completely abandoned our closest ally to appease his Far Left pro-Hamas base."

Biden's position on Gaza war is unacceptable. Israel is a moral democracy and one of the few nations in the world that supports America. Biden currying favor with the pro-terrorist Hamas US left is a disgrace. Joe and Hunter have similar morals.

A most interesting read:

https://twitter.com/BeharGiaco.../1787240727052951830



Biden’s Worst Mistake of the Gaza War

He provided Egypt cover as it denied Palestinians their human right to flee the conflict as refugees.

When campus protesters accuse President Biden of facilitating Israel’s destruction of Gaza, he has no good answer. He can quibble, but having abandoned the moral case for the war and condemned Israel for its toll, what can he really say in defense of his policy?

When supporters of Israel accuse Mr. Biden of standing in the way of Hamas’s defeat, he again has no good answer. His goal-line defense of Rafah, Hamas’s southern stronghold where terrorist leaders, four military battalions and many hostages reside, has for months preserved Hamas’s power.

How did the president get here? Mr. Biden isn’t “Genocide Joe” any more than he is “pro-Hamas.” He has been boxed in and brought low by his own mistakes.

I have criticized the president’s treatment of Israel since the early days after Oct. 7, when most Israelis were singing his praises. But Mr. Biden’s greatest error in this war lies elsewhere, in his betrayal of Gazan civilians and cruel disregard for their humanity. This set in motion a cascade of problems that have bedeviled the war ever since.

When you hear that Gazans are “trapped,” you are encountering a Biden policy choice. It didn’t have to be this way. Gaza’s Rafah borders Egypt, a U.S. ally that relies on $1.3 billion in U.S. aid a year. In contravention of international law, Egypt has sealed its border to Gazan refugees next door. Mr. Biden hasn’t lifted a finger to stop it.

On the contrary, the administration embraced Egypt’s position early on and demanded that Israel not “displace” civilians into Egypt. “No forcible displacement” became Secretary of State Antony Blinken’s absurd mantra as Gazans were massing at the border and begging to be allowed out.

Along with the United Nations and the NGO complex, Mr. Biden provided Egypt cover as it denied Gazans their human right to flee war. As the Journal’s editorial board noted, “Only when it can damage Israel does it become the liberal position to close the borders and keep refugees penned in a war zone.”

Egypt’s excuses don’t hold water. Rafah, crammed with civilians, borders Egypt’s empty Sinai Peninsula, a desert of nearly 25,000 square miles. The problem of where civilians can flee is entirely artificial. It has always been possible to fence off a few square miles of Egyptian desert, for a limited time, without unleashing Hamas on faraway Cairo or permanently exiling Palestinians.

Having secured U.S. backing, Egypt even threatened to abrogate its peace treaty with Israel should refugees spill over its border. As one senior Israeli official put it to me, “It isn’t over the killing of Palestinians that Egypt threatened to rip up the peace treaty, but over us asking them to save Palestinian lives.”

The ask was never so great. It could have been for women and children only. Other nations would have paid and aid groups would have outfitted the area. But there is no evidence Mr. Biden even tried, let alone exercised leverage. The war would gone very differently if he had.

When Israel invaded Gaza City in late October, hundreds of thousands of civilians fled south. With a true safe haven available, more would likely have gone, and many of those who did flee would have continued south to Sinai. Instead, these Gazans have been used as Hamas’s human shields in city after city, Khan Younis and now Rafah.

Fewer civilians in the war zone means fewer casualties. Thousands of civilian lives could have been saved, while Hamas fighters could have been eliminated more easily. But like Egypt, the Biden administration seemed to think of ordinary Gazans not as humans to be saved but as bearers of a Palestinian nationalism whose interests had to be preserved and pride salved.

It would have been a defeat for Palestine had Gazans fled the strip, their lives saved. The State Department would have protested. Dearborn, Mich., and the campus left would have been outraged.

Yet they haven’t exactly been appeased by Mr. Biden’s course. Forcing civilians to stay in Gaza has yielded a large casualty count and dragged out the war. Israel has had to delay and slow its operations at every stage, and the large civilian presence has led the Biden administration to pressure Israel into using less firepower and fewer troops. Israel offers daily pauses, neighborhood by neighborhood, fighting the worst kind of urban warfare at great risk to its own forces.

Hamas got what it wanted. The longer the war continued, the more Gazans were killed, the more international pressure mounted on Israel, and the more humanitarian aid became a challenge. Of course it did: All the civilians are still in the war zone, where Hamas can hijack aid trucks and draw Israeli fire. The results have been a resource bonanza for Hamas, suffering for other Gazans, accidental Israeli killings of aid workers, and a breach in U.S.-Israel relations that encouraged Hamas to reject hostage deals and Iran to risk a direct strike on Israel.

Interesting isn’t it? To watch a truly unintelligent individual advanced to his position by default and serendipity now having to navigate a minefield of such consequence. Never underestimate Joe’s ability to F things up.