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Originally posted by mutedblade:
It was mentioned here a few times before but remember, without the Federal Government, California would have to find ways to make up the money they would lose from such an exit.

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Originally posted by argolfer:
Do they really subsidize the other states?

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I can't see it being allowed to happen for a multitude of good reasons. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a majority of CA voters were to vote for it. They have repeatedly proved that their stupidity is without bound.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

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Wait, I live in California now.... Eek

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Originally posted by kkina:

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Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

Hah...I was also thinking of a "The Mouse That Roared" scenario.

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:

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Originally posted by argolfer:
Do they really subsidize the other states?

If I understand it correctly, how can they subsidize any other state when their own state seems to be nearly a trillion in debt?

Not to mention that without out water and electricity from outside kalifornistan their whole state would dry up and blow away.

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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
It was mentioned here a few times before but remember, without the Federal Government, California would have to find ways to make up the money they would lose from such an exit.

Trying to think about it logically, if it were to happen, folks who chose to remain in CA would become citizens of the country of California and cease to be citizens of the United States. They would no longer be entitled to any services from the US government (USG), and would likewise not have any obligations to the USG. No more Federal income tax to file and pay, as well as no more SS, Medicare, etc. One presumes that the country of CA would jack up what was their state income tax rate to capture what was state plus what was federal (or more). While I have not been at all happy about how the USG has been pissing away my tax dollars, they would appears as rank amateurs when compared to the CAG's ability to piss away cash making its citizens' lives worse.

I can't imagine the USG letting the CA tax base get away, even if (though) CA is far more of a pain in the everything than it is worth.

I can't see it being allowed to happen for a multitude of good reasons. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a majority of CA voters were to vote for it. They have repeatedly proved that their stupidity is without bound.

If it were to happen, I'd have two happy problems to solve: Which free state am I moving to? and how am I going to move all this ammo? I'd be okay with those problems.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

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Imagine if President Trump announced that he wanted to oust California from the United States. If it weren't for us, after all, Trump would have won the popular vote he so lusts after by 1.4 million. Blue America would lose its biggest source of electoral votes in all future elections. The Senate would have two fewer Democrats. The House of Representatives would lose 38 Democrats and just 14 Republicans. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, among the most liberal in the nation, would be changed irrevocably. And the U.S. as a whole would suddenly be a lot less ethnically diverse than it is today.

For those reasons, Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, Republicans with White House ambitions, opponents of legalizing marijuana, advocates of criminalizing abortion and various white nationalist groups might all conclude –– for different reasons –– that they would benefit politically from a separation, even as liberals and progressives across America would correctly see it as a catastrophe.

So it makes sense that the leader of the Yes California Independence Campaign, Marcus Ruiz Evans, was — contrary to popular assumptions — a registered Republican when he formed the separatist group two years ago, according to the San Jose Mercury News. He briefly hosted conservative talk radio shows in Fresno, and would not tell the newspaper if he voted for Trump.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

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Calexit would be disaster for progressive values

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Originally posted by selogic:
That's going to be one hell of a wall to build on THAT border !