People in California are calling for a 'Calexit' from the US in the wake of Trump's win

January 28, 2017, 10:56 AM

slosig

quote:
Originally posted by mutedblade:
It was mentioned here a few times before but remember, without the Federal Government, California would have to find ways to make up the money they would lose from such an exit.

Trying to think about it logically, if it were to happen, folks who chose to remain in CA would become citizens of the country of California and cease to be citizens of the United States. They would no longer be entitled to any services from the US government (USG), and would likewise not have any obligations to the USG. No more Federal income tax to file and pay, as well as no more SS, Medicare, etc. One presumes that the country of CA would jack up what was their state income tax rate to capture what was state plus what was federal (or more). While I have not been at all happy about how the USG has been pissing away my tax dollars, they would appears as rank amateurs when compared to the CAG's ability to piss away cash making its citizens' lives worse.

I can't imagine the USG letting the CA tax base get away, even if (though) CA is far more of a pain in the everything than it is worth.

I can't see it being allowed to happen for a multitude of good reasons. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a majority of CA voters were to vote for it. They have repeatedly proved that their stupidity is without bound.

If it were to happen, I'd have two happy problems to solve: Which free state am I moving to? and how am I going to move all this ammo? I'd be okay with those problems.

January 28, 2017, 11:02 AM

Fly-Sig

California, as with a cheating wife, just let 'em go.

January 28, 2017, 11:51 AM

Elk Hunter

quote:
Originally posted by argolfer:
Do they really subsidize the other states?

If I understand it correctly, how can they subsidize any other state when their own state seems to be nearly a trillion in debt?

Not to mention that without out water and electricity from outside kalifornistan their whole state would dry up and blow away.

Elk

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The Idaho Elk Hunter

January 28, 2017, 11:52 AM

chellim1

quote:
I can't see it being allowed to happen for a multitude of good reasons. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a majority of CA voters were to vote for it. They have repeatedly proved that their stupidity is without bound.

Yes.... I would not be surprised if they voted for it. That's when the fun starts!

The 'free shit' crowd will be in for a big surprise.

"Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible."
-- Justice Janice Rogers Brown

"The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth."
-rduckwor

January 28, 2017, 11:57 AM

GWbiker

I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

January 28, 2017, 12:03 PM

spunk639

If this actually gets momentum how long before OR and WA follow, then shortly MA which Mayor Walsh of Boston has said Boston doesn't need America, America need Boston. This dipshit wants to turn city hall into a safe haven for illegal aliens.

January 28, 2017, 12:05 PM

kkina

quote:
Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

Hah...I was also thinking of a "The Mouse That Roared" scenario.

January 28, 2017, 12:44 PM

Il Cattivo

quote:
Wait, I live in California now.... Eek

Unless you live in Newport Beach or something, you have no reason to care about offshore oil derricks.

January 28, 2017, 12:54 PM

2BobTanner

quote:
Originally posted by kkina:
quote:
Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

Hah...I was also thinking of a "The Mouse That Roared" scenario.

Yes, but the Grand Duchy of Fenwick "won" that fight, and it didn't quite go the way the Prime Minister wanted too.

January 28, 2017, 01:13 PM

slosig

quote:
Originally posted by Elk Hunter:
quote:
Originally posted by argolfer:
Do they really subsidize the other states?

If I understand it correctly, how can they subsidize any other state when their own state seems to be nearly a trillion in debt?

Not to mention that without out water and electricity from outside kalifornistan their whole state would dry up and blow away.

One would have to look at all the taxes paid by California residents and companies and weigh that against all the Federal monies going back to CA, both to the state and to individuals. That still wouldn't give the whole picture though, as clearly there are less direct benefits from fed.gov, such as national defense, etc.

It may well be that there are other states that get a higher percentage back from fed.gov than CA does - I doubt all states has the exact same ratios. The law of averages would lead one to believe some states have a better deal and some states have a worse deal if one looks only at the cash flow ratio today. Really though, one ought to look at the whole picture over time. A considerable chunk of Federal coin went into the Central Valley Project and I am sure that is not the only example of Federal largesse.

Besides, as Elk points out, it is only through trading with other states that the enviro-whackos can refuse to do water planning in the state, in fact remove dams, refuse to allow power plants, and then suck up water and electricity like they grows on trees. Ditto for oil.

Someday CA may see the light, but I'll likely be long dead before that ever happens.

January 28, 2017, 02:14 PM

flashguy

quote:
Originally posted by slosig:
quote:
Originally posted by mutedblade:
It was mentioned here a few times before but remember, without the Federal Government, California would have to find ways to make up the money they would lose from such an exit.

Trying to think about it logically, if it were to happen, folks who chose to remain in CA would become citizens of the country of California and cease to be citizens of the United States. They would no longer be entitled to any services from the US government (USG), and would likewise not have any obligations to the USG. No more Federal income tax to file and pay, as well as no more SS, Medicare, etc. One presumes that the country of CA would jack up what was their state income tax rate to capture what was state plus what was federal (or more). While I have not been at all happy about how the USG has been pissing away my tax dollars, they would appears as rank amateurs when compared to the CAG's ability to piss away cash making its citizens' lives worse.

I can't imagine the USG letting the CA tax base get away, even if (though) CA is far more of a pain in the everything than it is worth.

I can't see it being allowed to happen for a multitude of good reasons. That said, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if a majority of CA voters were to vote for it. They have repeatedly proved that their stupidity is without bound.

If it were to happen, I'd have two happy problems to solve: Which free state am I moving to? and how am I going to move all this ammo? I'd be okay with those problems.

I'm sure there are enough folks on this forum with pickup trucks who would gladly help you move your ammo....

flashguy

January 28, 2017, 02:16 PM

flashguy

quote:
Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

You've been reading "The Mouse That Roared" haven't you?''

(I see someone beat me to the punch--great minds think alike, and all that....)

flashguy

January 28, 2017, 02:38 PM

selogic

It might be fun to talk about , but it's impossible to pull off .That's right , IMPOSSIBLE .

January 28, 2017, 03:00 PM

rekstrom

Total fantasy. So Cali exits, and suddenly discovers it must create its own departments of Defense, intelligence, EPA, State (with consulates around the globe), etc, etc. Totally unsustainable without huge increase in .gov spending, which would in turn lead to a mass exodus to the USA. Whatever, good luck....

January 28, 2017, 03:02 PM

sjtill

From today's LA Times, op-ed by leftist Connor Friedersdorf: Calexit would be disaster for progressive values

quote:
Imagine if President Trump announced that he wanted to oust California from the United States. If it weren't for us, after all, Trump would have won the popular vote he so lusts after by 1.4 million. Blue America would lose its biggest source of electoral votes in all future elections. The Senate would have two fewer Democrats. The House of Representatives would lose 38 Democrats and just 14 Republicans. The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, among the most liberal in the nation, would be changed irrevocably. And the U.S. as a whole would suddenly be a lot less ethnically diverse than it is today.

For those reasons, Trump, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, Republicans with White House ambitions, opponents of legalizing marijuana, advocates of criminalizing abortion and various white nationalist groups might all conclude –– for different reasons –– that they would benefit politically from a separation, even as liberals and progressives across America would correctly see it as a catastrophe.

So it makes sense that the leader of the Yes California Independence Campaign, Marcus Ruiz Evans, was — contrary to popular assumptions — a registered Republican when he formed the separatist group two years ago, according to the San Jose Mercury News. He briefly hosted conservative talk radio shows in Fresno, and would not tell the newspaper if he voted for Trump.

Link

January 28, 2017, 03:03 PM

snoris

quote:
Originally posted by GWbiker:
I can see it now: California leaves the Union, becomes a separate country, declares war against the United States, quickly surrenders......then applies for a generous amount of foreign aid.

"The Mouse That Roared."

Starring the still-dead Peter Sellers as Jerry Brown.

January 28, 2017, 03:11 PM

chellim1

quote:
Calexit would be disaster for progressive values

So... the libs are starting to figure this out?

Damn!
Why don't they just keep on voting on emotion and damn the torpedoes... full speed ahead!