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Coin Sniper |
That is really sad to hear, sounds like the incident was preventable simply with decisions based on life safety of the crew. Pronoun: His Royal Highness and benevolent Majesty of all he surveys 343 - Never Forget Its better to be Pavlov's dog than Schrodinger's cat There are three types of mistakes; Those you learn from, those you suffer from, and those you don't survive. | |||
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| Green grass and high tides  |
Not much of a surprise to hear. Sad that they could of and should of taken measures that might of resulted in saving the crew. RIP men. Prayers for all who mourn now. "Practice like you want to play in the game" | |||
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Typical, bureaucrats who are not the ones to lose their life, make a stupid decision. Still the captain is the one who makes the final decision, he should have headed to shallow water and told the command it was necessary. -c1steve | |||
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I can understand the base deciding to defer to the man on the scene, but still....sounds like an underwater edition of the Keystone Kops.  Nicky, will this stuff affect recruitment for the Argentinian Navy? | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process  |
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| half-genius, half-wit |
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...marines-snorkel.html The Argentinian submarine that disappeared over a fortnight ago vanished after water got into its snorkel and made the battery short-circuit, the navy has today revealed. Before it went missing, the submarine had been ordered back to its Mar del Plata base after it reported water had entered through the snorkel, causing a battery short circuit, navy spokesman Enrique Balbi told a news conference today. ************** truth may be hard to find here | |||
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A Grateful American |
Omain. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Amen Officers lives matter! | |||
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"The Argentinian submarine that disappeared over a fortnight ago vanished after water got into its snorkel and made the battery short-circuit, the navy has today revealed" No way "Before it went missing, the submarine had been ordered back to its Mar del Plata base after it reported water had entered through the snorkel, causing a battery short circuit, navy spokesman Enrique Balbi told a news conference today." CYA  | |||
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Olfuzzy is correct. Water coming into the snorkel would enter the engine room and would probably damage one or more engines. The battery bank would not be affected. Bunch of bureaucrats CYA, sounds like democrats from the USA talking. -c1steve | |||
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| SIGforum Official Eye Doc  |
Not necessarily. Depending on what they were doing exactly, there could have been significant water egress that could have entered the battery void. | |||
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Or if the generators browned out causing the battery charger to short a battery or two....it's feasible..........Either way if you shorted out a battery, there most likely would be a ferocious smell through that entire sub. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
More likely if there was a large ingress of water like that, electrical swithboards and/or panels are what shorted out. Multiple electrical systems in fact. Keep in mind how tight the spaces must be on a sub like that. Either way, that is a lights out situation, literally. There's not much chance of a fast recovery from that type of catastrophic event. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan "Once there was only dark. If you ask me, light is winning." ~Rust Cohle | |||
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Seems like a manual emergency blow procedure would be available, turning valves by hand to vent high pressure air into the ballast tanks even in the event of a complete power failure. Possible? | |||
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From what I'm reading though, snorkels dating back as far as WWII had float valves installed in the snorkel to keep seawater from coming into the snorkel..........So why wouldn't this German built submarine have one? | |||
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| SIGforum's Berlin Correspondent  |
Deck plan of San Juan with likely water ingress highlighted by a submariner on another board.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/argen...nce-revealed-1649174 | |||
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But shouldn't the submarine have a float valve or flapper valve that wouldn't let water get into the snorkel to begin with? Does OOC on the forward batteries mean they were bad and not usable at all? Or just simply low and needed to be recharged? It would make sense if the forward batteries were bad and they were near the surface running the engines and generators in rough seas to charge the batteries (higher risk of ingesting water) rather than waiting a few days for the ocean to calm down or getting to calmer water, because they only had 1/2 of the batteries operational and half the range underwater. I cannot confirm this but through the grapevine (in the marine industry) someone told me that the Argentinian subs are seriously lacking proper maintenance and the sub was refit in Brazil in 2013, because they couldn't afford to take it back to the manufacturer in Germany and get properly refit. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? | |||
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| half-genius, half-wit |
Many moons ago I did a three-day transit from Greenock, Scotland, to Plymouth down in SW England in an Oberon Class d/e submarine - all of it either at snorkel depth or surface running - just awful. When we were snorkelling, every time it hit a wave the flapper valve operated, and the big diesels took their air from the crew compartments instead...not funny. And that boat was old when I was in it. tac | |||
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