Let's hope they can get rescue subs on scene in time

Hoping for a miracle!

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Let's hope they can get rescue subs on scene in time

There is no scene.
The US has sent several rescue and search units. They're here. Also a french minisub that can hold 15 people per trip. Still looking where to head with all the rescue teams.
Over a dozen nations at work now. Gratitude to all of them.

These are dark hours, my uneducated guess is time has ran out.

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Originally posted by 0-0:

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Let's hope they can get rescue subs on scene in time

There is no scene.
The US has sent several rescue and search units. They're here. Also a french minisub that can hold 15 people per trip. Still looking where to head with all the rescue teams.
Over a dozen nations at work now. Gratitude to all of them.

These are dark hours, my uneducated guess is time has ran out.

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Hoping against hope then....

This is why nations who delay international help for a few days are effectively sending those sailors to the grave. Every hour counts, and it appears that bureaucrats initially do not want to accept help because of an ego issue.

I sure hope Baldy's report is accurate and that they our on the scene now.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
This is why nations who delay international help for a few days are effectively sending those sailors to the grave. Every hour counts, and it appears that bureaucrats initially do not want to accept help because of an ego issue.

Yep. Russians didn't want our help with Kursk. There were rescue assets close enough early on that could have saved some of those sailors.

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Originally posted by c1steve:
This is why nations who delay international help for a few days are effectively sending those sailors to the grave. Every hour counts, and it appears that bureaucrats initially do not want to accept help because of an ego issue.

That is something to REALLY take to heart, c1.

Not to hijack the importance of this thread, but that sentiment can be taken to as low as the State and/or City level. Remember Katrina? Yeah...Nagin and Blanco didn't want anything to do with W's help (they hated the man and didn't want to see him get credit for anything) until they got themselves into the "oh shit" moment and by that time, all the aid and assistance in the world wasn't gonna save NOLA. To this day, Houston is still stuck with some of that low-life scum and villainy.

Yup...sometimes it's ego.

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2...clear-explosion.html

searchers were returning to a previously scanned part of the ocean after determining that a previously unnoticed "hydro-acoustic anomaly" was detected Nov. 15, just hours after the final contact with the ARA San Juan.

He described the blast, which was detected around the same time that the submarine sent its last signal last week, as "abnormal, singular, short, violent" and "non-nuclear".

"non-nuclear" ??

Argentine navy ships as well as a U.S. P-8 Poseidon aircraft and a Brazilian air force plane would return to the area Thursday to check out the sound, according to Balibi, which originated about 30 miles north of the submarine's last registered position.

A U.S. Navy plane detected an object Wednesday near the area the submarine sent its last signal during a search flight over the South Atlantic, a witness told Reuters after traveling on board the plane.

The crew emphasized that the object could not be identified, and it was not known if it was related to the ARA San Juan, the news agency reported.

The San Juan, a German-built diesel-electric sub, went missing as it was sailing from the extreme southern port of Ushuaia to the city of Mar del Plata, about 250 miles southeast of Buenos Aires.

More than a dozen airplanes and ships are participating in the multinational search despite stormy weather that has caused waves of more than 20 feet.

sounds a lot like a pressure hull breach

My prayers for those sailors and their families. Just awful.

I'm no engineer but that acoustic signature doesn't bode well for the crew

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I'm no engineer but that acoustic signature doesn't bode well for the crew

Sadly it doesn't.

Thinking about the comments of seeking help and ego's. I do not buy it. These are war vessel's. Each country feels that they have secrets and sensitive material and items on board. No one is going to anxious to allow a hostile opponent to access their vessel, no matter the circumstances. Even at the peril of its own countrymen.

Continued prayers for the crews and their families.

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Originally posted by nhtagmember:
sounds a lot like a pressure hull breach

Yeah, my thought, too.

Prayers for all affected by this!

http://www.latimes.com/world/m...-20171123-story.html


The Argentine navy confirmed Thursday that its missing submarine experienced an explosion Nov. 15 in the southern Atlantic but had no information on the fate of the 44 crew members.

“There was an anomalous event [which was] unusual, short, violent and nonnuclear, consistent with an explosion,” Argentine navy spokesman Capt. Enrique Balbi said at a news conference in Buenos Aires, the capital.

Balbi declined to speculate on the fate of the crew and whether there was a chance of rescuing them. Assuming that the submarine remained intact after the blast and is resting on the ocean floor, the ship had only a seven-day supply of oxygen, which might have run out Wednesday.

The explosion took place in waters 240 miles east of the Valdes Peninsula in Argentina’s Chubut province. The blast was detected less than 40 miles from where the submarine’s captain, Pedro Fernandez, last communicated with onshore authorities and mentioned problems with the ship’s battery system.

Balbi explained the delay in the announcement by saying his government on Wednesday received confirmation of the explosion from the U.S. Navy, which received and analyzed the data collected from its sonar technology. Separate confirmation came Thursday morning from an Austrian-based agency that monitors for violations of the global ban on nuclear testing.




see intersection of lines in lower left hand corner

Our hydroacoustic network detected an unusual signal near the last known position of #missing San Juan #submarine. The signal from an underwater impulsive event was detected 15 Nov 13:51 GMT, Lat -46.12 deg; Long: -59.69 deg. Details & data shared with Argentinian authorities.

https://twitter.com/SinaZerbo

If the explosion was heard more than a week ago, why send rescue equipment at all?

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Originally posted by MTJbyrd:
If the explosion was heard more than a week ago, why send rescue equipment at all?

In the Kursk sinking, the forward 2 compartments were destroyed/open to sea, meaning everyone in those compartments was dead, and the sub could never surface on its own. Dozens survived in the rear compartments, and could have been rescued if the Ruskies had asked for our help on Day One.

So, as long as they are above crush depth, some of the crew could have survived the initial explosion so long as their compartments stayed air tight.

Of course, if they ran out of air (as has been speculated), they are past help.