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| Ermagherd, 10 Mirrimerter!  |
Checkmate... I quit school in elementary because of recess.......too many games --Riff Raff-- | |||
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| Conservative Behind Enemy Lines  |
When I was a kid, my friends and I liked to hang out at the local pet store. They had a rather large tank with only one fish in it - it was a piranha. We learned that once a day during store hours, they would feed the piranha a gold fish. * It scarred us all for life - witnessing the brutal murder of that gold fish. The store employee would drop the gold fish into the tank and the gold fish would swim as close to the surface as it could. But, it's horrific, gruesome fate was sealed. The piranha would see the gold fish and swim in very straight, very fast line directly toward the poor, innocent gold fish, and then the piranha would take a chunk out of the side right where his fin was, making it impossible to swim in any direction. The piranha would then swim casually away, savoring his bite, then circle around and do the same thing again - over and over until the gold fish was completely eaten. We all had nightmares for years after that. * No, we didn't. We knew this was what life is really all about. We knew that in life, there are predators and prey. I found what you said riveting. | |||
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Way too much logic 46, we need to be swayed by our memories of our childhood pup and string the teacher up, while we are at it we should also call each other ass douches and refuse to even consider any other points of view. I can understand the outrage, I can also understand others points of view here. In the end no matter how one has elevated the dog above any other animals, they are still just animals. No different than the cow I am going to eat for dinner. Many of them live horrible lives before being slaughtered. I still love ribeyes, but I would never process a cow myself. I don't know enough to condemn him or to say it was a good lesson in the cycle of life. I can say it was handled wrong. For something like this the puppy should not have been passed around and petted and parental permission should have been sought. Let the parents teach this kind of lessen, if it needs to be taught. I can add a story about my buddy. From the time he was 9 or 10 if one of the dogs or livestock became injured, sick, unable to preform it's function or behave, it was his job to dispatch of it. Dad would give him a couple rounds and send him out to do the deed. He's now in his forties, it still bothers him to this day looking his pets in the eyes before ending their lives. To people who have working dogs or livestock, they are tools or a means to existence and they are treated as such. Jesse Sic Semper Tyrannis | |||
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| Ammoholic |
I believe that you missed the entire point of the passage you quoted. As a parent, it is up to us to teach our kids about life, not some sick @#$& (stupidly and entirely inappropriately) employed as a teacher. My kids have learned a lot about death. It happens with older relatives, it happens with dogs, they just flat don’t live long enough. And when you breed livestock, you learn about birth, but there are deaths too. The simple fact is that living things die. Some sooner, some later, but they all die. That said, had either of my kids (son or daughter) been in that classroom, it would not have surprised me in the least if they had physically attacked the “teacher” when he pulled this stunt. Just because everything living dies and something is dying is no excuse to treat it without respect. That is something they have learned about death too. | |||
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Don't Shop. Adopt. |
Thank you! Dogs are domesticated animals, not a fish or a mouse or a Zebra. There is no comparison what so ever. ______________________________________________ "Saving one dog will not change the world, but surely for that one dog, the world will change forever." - Karen Davison "Man can measure the values of his own soul in the look of the eyes of an animal he's helped" - Author Unkown | |||
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And if you had read the article further - nobody knows if the Change.org petition supporters are local to the community or not. Nobody has done a check on that petition like they did on the petition that was not supporting the teacher's actions. | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
I'm a little tired of the sick puppy stuff. Her said it was sick. He never had a vet check it out. It was reported that a friend gave him the puppy. So his friend gave him a puppy to be his pet and when it became ill he decided he will feed it to his illegal pet turtle? I would like to hear from the guy who gave him the puppy. I'm betting he ain't gonna be giving this asshole anymore puppies. I don't know but his story sucks and seems more like a poor excuse to cover up his bad idea. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
You can't tell people from animals? The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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I read the entire article. I spend a couple of days a month in the area. Nobody wants to hang him. NOBODY. Please continue hanging shit on the local residents and trash this guy on the internet. After all, it's all over puppies. Sorry marksman, I follow your posts and respect the hell out of you but I think you are a bit emotional in this thread. | |||
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And they're so cute, especially when they're puppies. Year V | |||
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People are animals. A different species that a puppy for sure. Bigger, fairly bald apes, but a type of animal nonetheless. Where a person draws the moral line is different from individual to individual. Legalities aside of course. | |||
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Unless you have canvassed the entire population of Preston, you don't know what they think. What I know is that 80+% of journalists and newspapers are left wing - based on their own responses to questions about which political party they support. Also, isn't Change.org an Obama era support and petition site? More Left-wing bias. Whether the Idaho paper you've linked to doesn't lean Left or not, I don't know. If it doesn't, it is an exception, not the rule. I do know that Idaho has Democrats and other left-of-center people so portraying all of Idaho, and everyone in Preston, and a God-fearing, 2nd Amendment, fiscal conservative is really a stretch. Agreed on the surplus of emotion on my part. After my initial response to your post, I deleted mine to not only try to prevent thread lock, but also because I remember trying to debate JAllen on some topics I was emotional about. Not only did I not, nor ever would, have the intellectual skill that he had, but he kept re-teaching me that arguing from the heart without including the head is a sure way to get my ass handed to me. So, as much as I feel about this issue, I took a step back to try and use my brain as well as my heart. And, with that, I have to apologize for my name-calling earlier. That was unnecessary and entirely uncalled for. | |||
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Just out of curiosity for the people here who think the puppy didn’t suffer anything more than being drowned....have you ever been bitten by a turtle? I have. And it hurt, a lot. Their beaks are razor sharp, and they clamp down HARD when they bite. I was bitten by a little mud turtle and it almost tore a chunk out of my finger...I can only imagine how much it would hurt getting bitten by a mature snapping turtle. That puppy did indeed feel a lot of unnessary pain for the seconds or minutes prior to drowning and then being eaten by the turtle. This guy could have ended it’s life in a MUCH more humane way. | |||
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delicately calloused |
Except the herding dog in my example didn't know he had formed a bad habit. He didn't know he was doing wrong. He was eating. As far as he knew, farmer Smith was walking up to pat him on the head as usual until BLAMO! The emotion applied here is human. That is not to say such emotion is wrong, but we must recognize it for what it is so we don't do wrong ourselves. You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| delicately calloused |
You make an important distinction. People are of the animal kingdom in flesh. What separates us from animals is we can make principled, reasonable and moral choices based on logic and spirituality. That is what elevates the human from an animal.....even one so soft and snuggly as a puppy with a wiggly tail.  You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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| Oh stewardess, I speak jive.  |
We are, indeed, all animals. We're bipedal mostly-hairless apes with vestigial tails, FFS. We have much more in common with chimps, bonobos, and whales than we do dogs. And, again, I love my dogs dearly. But it could have easily been a frog, a dolphin, an anteater, or otherwise had random events in human history gone differently. Our status as "different from wild apes" is barely ten seconds old in a broad time scale. Every single thing you think of as normal and civilized is as new as it gets, historically. Some people put spiders outside rather than squishing them, others move snakes out of the road rather than running them over, and others are drawn to dogs, but they and we are all living creatures and if we're going to be outraged I suggest we be consistent. How many scary looking dogs or ankle biters are shot by jumpy LE each year? I've criticized them myself, before, but that's roundly accepted in modern society, meanwhile some municipalities simultaneously treat Working Dogs as near-human, legally. The guy sounds fucked up, to be sure. But more broadly, the act wasn't that unusual, and the valuations we place on such things are as uniquely preferential as ones favorite food. | |||
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Thank you. Much better than what I was going to say. To make the argument that there is no difference between a rodent and a dog is asinine and ignores 10,000 years of history. Utterly ridiculous to try to pass this off as a 'call of the wild' moment. Torturing small animals is a sign of a psycho. Humanely putting an animal down that is suffering is one thing, putting a dog in an aquarium with a snapping turtle is sick and twisted. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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| Too old to run, too mean to quit! |
I don't care if the puppy was sick, or not. The issue is that he apparently threw it ALIVE into the tank with the snapper and watched it drown. and did it while he was accompanied by children. I don't care why he did it. He did it! If he really felt some earth shaking need to feed a live sick puppy to a snapping turtle why do it in front of children? We can speculate on his motives until they start serving lemonade in hell, but it will not change the FACTS! And I do not care what some idiot judge said about it not being cruel. Wonder what the judge would say if he was tossed alive into a pool filled with snappers. And with that, I am out of this thread. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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Wait, what? |
This asshole did this for shock value alone. If he was simply trying to dispose of a sick animal, why let a couple of children play with it? After school hours? Why involve any kids at all? All signs point toward him being demented enough to shock 4 students who, from statements made, didn’t exactly seem like it was something they expected to be involved with. No, all signs point to him being a grandstanding sick fuck. Nobody needs to try and tear him down; his own actions did that, and I don’t believe any bullshit about the whole community backing his actions. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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