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Originally posted by arcwelder76:

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Originally posted by jljones:
I'm going to be upfront and admit that while usually rational, I have no interest in being rational about this and seeing opposing views.

So you're a Leftist?

Because that is the crux of their argument about, well, pick a topic.

You're offended, your values are incensed, so you won't engage?

You're a Leftist.

If you're going to shut down everyone else on the grounds of moral outrage, you're no better than the fringe of the right, and the very upset blue "wave" of our nation right now.

We rarely disagree, my friend. I don't think you really see "support" for what this man did, in this thread.

But, if you've found an excuse to shut down avenues of discussion or debate, you've created a microcosm of the "strategy" of the left.

Life, on almost any level, isn't black and white, or black and red if you have that kind of chess board.

We try to do right as we live our lives. But, if I can quote:

"Life is pain, princess.....anyone who says differently is selling something."

Am I an apologist, a realist, or an accomplice? Where should we file everyone who responds here? As friend or enemy? Is that distinction actually necessary?

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason this guy has so much community support is because his students finish the year with a excellent biology education

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason this guy has so much community support is because his students finish the year with a excellent biology education

Or maybe, just maybe, they finish the year with excellent grades. There is a distinct difference. The guy is teaching cruelty.

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Originally posted by marksman41:

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Originally posted by Bytes:
Apparently many of his fellow citizens totally disagree with the most of the emotional responses found in this thread. Link I wonder why? Is the entire county puppy haters? Do they have some inside info the emos here don't have?

Emos? Gonna take that road, huh? Fuck you, you ass-douche.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:

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Originally posted by jljones:
I'm going to be upfront and admit that while usually rational, I have no interest in being rational about this and seeing opposing views.

So you're a Leftist?

Because that is the crux of their argument about, well, pick a topic.

You're offended, your values are incensed, so you won't engage?

You're a Leftist.

If you're going to shut down everyone else on the grounds of moral outrage, you're no better than the fringe of the right, and the very upset blue "wave" of our nation right now.

We rarely disagree, my friend. I don't think you really see "support" for what this man did, in this thread.

But, if you've found an excuse to shut down avenues of discussion or debate, you've created a microcosm of the "strategy" of the left.

Life, on almost any level, isn't black and white, or black and red if you have that kind of chess board.

We try to do right as we live our lives. But, if I can quote:

"Life is pain, princess.....anyone who says differently is selling something."

Am I an apologist, a realist, or an accomplice? Where should we file everyone who responds here? As friend or enemy? Is that distinction actually necessary?

Yep, I'm a lefty, alright.

Lefty's always insist that we have to have a "conversation" about gun control or any other topic. They insist that we must have "compromise". That conversation is never a conversation, and the compromise is never a compromise.

Pick a topic. Insist that we must have a discussion. That we must coexist and have tolerance for things that sicken us, instead of standing by a moral and ethical position that is doing the right thing. If that makes me a lefty, well so be it. If other people's moral compasses are so screwed up that they can't see it, we surely have nothing to discuss. The left is always driven by emotion. I am driven by a little, apparently quaint belief that we don't conduct ourselves like sadistic fucks in the name of anything. We show mercy and compassion. Even as we hunt and kill animals for food. We don't let a deer suffer after being shot for food. We put down all sorts of animals struck by automobiles because we show compassion, and hopefully we will be shown compassion.

I have nothing to discuss, and have nothing to compromise on this topic on. If you want to call me names, so be it.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason this guy has so much community support is because his students finish the year with a excellent biology education

Or maybe, just maybe, they finish the year with excellent grades. There is a distinct difference. The guy is teaching cruelty.

You have no clue about the education his students receive. None what so ever. I think the community is in a far better position to judge. Anybody know how long he's taught in the school district? Anybody know how some of his students have on their SATs or ACTs? I know I don't but let's not let any of that get in the way of making a decision.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I think the teacher was wrong to dispose of a domestic animal the way he did. That is the city boy in me talking. I have personally witness rancher types put down loyal herding dogs for becoming egg suckers and chicken killers. Walk right up, draw a pistol and blow its brains out right there in the field. That shocked me and I never looked at the rancher the same after that.

The reason I introduced their mentality to the topic is that members of this board were advocating terrible things be done to this teacher. Horrible torturous things. As if the value of the puppy's life were greater than that of a human life......even one so callous. I hoped presenting a new perspective could offer a little more balance and quell the emotional reaction.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:

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Bytes:
You have no clue about the education his students receive. None what so ever. I think the community is in a far better position to judge. Anybody know how long he's taught in the school district? Anybody know how some of his students have on their SATs or ACTs? I know I don't but let's not let any of that get in the way of making a decision.

You're the one that made suppositions first, not me. Now you're furthering it by suggesting you have a clue that somehow he provides excellent teaching?

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Maybe, just maybe, the reason this guy has so much community support is because his students finish the year with a excellent biology education. FYI, that's why they are in his classroom

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I think the teacher was wrong to dispose of a domestic animal the way he did. That is the city boy in me talking. I have personally witness rancher types put down loyal herding dogs for becoming egg suckers and chicken killers. Walk right up, draw a pistol and blow its brains out right there in the field. That shocked me and I never looked at the rancher the same after that.

The reason I introduced their mentality to the topic is that members of this board were advocating terrible things be done to this teacher. Horrible torturous things. As if the value of the puppy's life were greater than that of a human life......even one so callous. I hoped presenting a new perspective could offer a little more balance and quell the emotional reaction.

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Originally posted by marksman41:
As Yooper has pointed out above - it appears most of the community does not support the teacher's actions. Apparently the news article supplied by Bytes has the usual Left-wing bias and made up statistics.

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Prior to posting, I did some research in Preston ID Public Schools. Most ratings are middling. Nothing at all about excellence in science or biology classes that I could find. Community support? Preston has a population of 5K. This thread has 2.4K views and most postings do not favor the teachers actions. Does this teacher have support or what passes for support these days, a vocal minority?
If in fact he is well supported, then he has found his niche in Preston.
And IBTL.

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Originally posted by Bytes:

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Originally posted by marksman41:
As Yooper has pointed out above - it appears most of the community does not support the teacher's actions. Apparently the news article supplied by Bytes has the usual Left-wing bias and made up statistics.

Didn't Yooper say

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Prior to posting, I did some research in Preston ID Public Schools. Most ratings are middling. Nothing at all about excellence in science or biology classes that I could find. Community support? Preston has a population of 5K. This thread has 2.4K views and most postings do not favor the teachers actions. Does this teacher have support or what passes for support these days, a vocal minority?
If in fact he is well supported, then he has found his niche in Preston.
And IBTL.

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It seems like he's hanging shit on the Franklin county population. The article I'm quoting comes from the Idaho State Journal. Pocatello's paper. Hardly a New York Times of south east Idaho. It seems like he is comparing this thread to Franklin county yet he couldn't give a stat on who favors disagrees with the teachers actions in this thread. Who's making up stats here marksman? I don't know who is right. I won't let puppy emotion get in the way of making a decision. DO.YOU.GET.THAT?

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Originally posted by marksman41:
And your statistic on exactly how many support the teacher is what again?

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Morse pointed out that Franklin County, as of March 1, 2017, had a population of 6,148 registered voters. He then said that if the 3,910 Change.org petition supporters are registered voters they would represent over 63.5 percent of the jury pool, which “means that it is likely that nearly two thirds” of potential jurors in the case “support (Crosland) and stand behind his actions.”