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^^^^ Yep ^^^^ | |||
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Come on, dude. Citing studies that indicate long term psychosis and flashbacks can occur with the use of psychedelics isn't hysteria. . | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
Anything at all under the influence. I should not have to put up with your bullshit because you decide to smoke drain cleaner. And that, is freedom. ANYTHING. Pick one. Did I mention ANYTHING. That is personal responsibility. Please feel absolutely free to smoke all the drain cleaner, eat all nature’s herbs and plants you choose. But, society just doesn’t have to put up with your shit. You make the choice, you fuck up, you can try it again in five years. What is being called freedom in these threads never turn out to be freedom. They are the exact ideals that the gun grabbers peddle. Those who couldn't follow the law before will all of a sudden be model citizens with a legislative change. And that simply ain’t so. So, you want my support? Legalize everything. Lock up anyone for extended periods who can’t follow the law. But, as I said, excuses will continue to be made. What people want is legalized doping, not true freedom. | |||
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Well there ya go. I'm convinced. . | |||
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Bingo. The Idiocracy. “Remember to get vaccinated or a vaccinated person might get sick from a virus they got vaccinated against because you’re not vaccinated.” - author unknown | |||
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| Banned |
There is no one in Colorado saying “man, if only shrooms were legal, I’d be doin them”. Anyone who wants any kind of drugs in Colorado already has them & does them at their discretion. | |||
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This a private domain vs public domain issue. I don't care what you do in your own home. The problem is that dopers don't want to stay home, they want to get into the public domain, and they expect all the sober people to put up with their bullshit. This has nothing to do with true personal responsibility, if that were the case they wouldn't be polluting their bodies with drugs in the first place. | |||
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Liberals want no consequences for breaking the law. Drugs or not. Conservatives/Libertarians want freedom to make choices. I’ve never heard 1 say here should be no repercussions for breaking real laws (like crimes involving a victim). Please don’t confuse the 2 completely different positions from 2 entirely different groups. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Legalize everything, but with that comes a non-revokable "DNR" if you have anything beyond pot in your system. Cuz, freedom is freedom. I shouldn't have to pay for ODs and medical treatment for people who don't care about their own well being. Their so responsible to put shit into their bodies, they can be responsible for what comes afterwards. You know, like take care of themselves too. Freedom and all. No more nanny state, no more help. OD, you die. | |||
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| Ammoholic |
The problem is that we as a society are far too conflicted. If drugs are bad, the answer is simple: 5 years hard labor for a first offense, 15 years hard labor for a second offense, and life hard labor for a third offense. Pretty soon demand would dry up and the problem would go away. If drug are not bad, decriminalize them, BUT actually hold people accountable but their actions, whether on drugs or not. You screw up, you pay big time, consequences with teeth. No “He’s a good kid, he’d never have done but for the drugs.” He chose to take the drugs, he is responsible for that choice and all choices made while under influences. The libertarian in me says that the guy sitting in his house or apartment doing his weed, opium, shrooms, or whatever that he bought with money he earned legally isn’t hurting anyone else and is neither my business or my government’s business. The realist in me says it just isn’t that simple and no man is an island. Maybe if we didn’t have the medical care system we do and we just let people die when they screw up there would be one less reason for the government to get involved, but even then there would be a societal cost. And we certainly do not live in a society where we let people just die when they screw up. It has been a few months since I had a conversation over coffee with a young lady who had passed the MCATs, but decided not to go to med school. She was continuing to work as an EMT on a local ambulance and doing coding for a local doctor. When I asked if there was an opiate problem she mentioned the guy who after she dosed him for the third time in a week she told, “Bro, you need to rethink things. What if I don’t get here next time?” | |||
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What does the use of mushrooms have to do with liver damage? Just curious, I've never heard of a correlation. | |||
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I feel about the same. I don't care if someone wants move to the wilderness, miles away from machinery, voting booths, etc and munch mushrooms or move to a reservation and chew on peyote until they pass out. The issue I have is when a drug abuser affects me or other members of society with their behavior. . | |||
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Honky Lips |
Propaganda, I said show me the study. here, I'll get you started. https://scholar.google.com/sch...in+flashbacks+&btnG= | |||
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Spread the Disease |
I'd be OK with that.
He said "legitimate scientific study". That is not what you linked. We need methods, sources, references, etc. Wikipedia has more citation than that site. Plus, that isn't exactly an unbiased source. That would be like me linking to an NRA page for a gun control debate. ________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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You and FenderBender don't like what the government site says. You think Wiki is a better site. I get it. . | |||
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Funny Man |
I am not advocating for the use of hallucinogenic drugs, or any other drugs, but let's at least be honest when arguing either side of the issue. All kinds of shit "can occur" from any number of activities legal and not legal. Trotting out flashbacks as an honest argument is a joke. First, can you define a "flashback"? Ever known anyone who actually had one or cite a source claiming to have had a harmful one? Can you find one single example of a "flashback" actually causing harm in the real world, just one. One car crash, one heavy machinery incident, one trip on a crack in the sidewalk....anything. ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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| Sigforum K9 handler |
Oh I am not confusing anything. I’m telling you what I see on society today. I’m basing my position on experience, and common sense. When people break the law by misusing guns, we don’t need to know the definition of is to wonder if they should be locked up. With dope, we have to know specifically what is is before we can get behind it. It is nothing but further normalizing criminal behavior through legislative action. Want my support? Start locking people up for dope related crimes. No probation, no parole. Kentucky has a crime index based upon reports that 81 percent of all crime is drug related. And I’m not talking about possession charges. I’m talking about stolen cars, burglaries and robbery’s are because someone was using dope. My own case load is closer to 97 percent. My own experience shows that decriminalization does nothing to reduce crime. It’s the same false platitude that the reason gun control doesn’t work is we just need more of it. Be free. Legalize everything. Misuse it, and try again in five years. Can’t understand why it is so hard to grasp. Oh and Rhino is dead balls on as well. Freedom should mean truly free. Not picking and choosing free. | |||
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____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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| Spread the Disease |
My god, man. You know very well that that is not at all what I said. Try addressing comments to contribute to a discussion rather than taking this way out. I feel like I’m trying to debate a liberal college student. ________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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I think I would rather see Ayahuasca or DMT legalized before mushrooms. People that have taken those typically have positive life altering experiences and no one wants to drive a car. Admittedly I have no idea if mushrooms offer a similar experience. | |||
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