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Originally posted by TigerDore:
As I said above, if someone wants to use mushrooms, LSD, peyote, etc. till they drop, I don't care as long as they a long way from affecting society with it.

The unfortunately reality is that we all pay for these peoples poor choices, be it via incarceration costs or their medical bills (or both).

Which is different from an alcoholic or a chain smoker in which way?

It should apply to them as well, as far as I'm concerned.

I’m completely surprised that someone hasn’t explained to us about how much they prefer a mushroom impaired driver run an alcohol impaired driver.

When you read about pot impaired drivers being so much safer than alcohol impaired drivers I have to laugh.

Freedom is only things I like, and agree with.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
As I said above, if someone wants to use mushrooms, LSD, peyote, etc. till they drop, I don't care as long as they a long way from affecting society with it.

The unfortunately reality is that we all pay for these peoples poor choices, be it via incarceration costs or their medical bills (or both).

Which is different from an alcoholic or a chain smoker in which way?

It should apply to them as well, as far as I'm concerned.

I’m completely surprised that someone hasn’t explained to us about how much they prefer a mushroom impaired driver run an alcohol impaired driver.

When you read about pot impaired drivers being so much safer than alcohol impaired drivers I have to laugh.

I'm curious what percentage of all impaired drivers in history are/were impaired on mushrooms. When I traveled in certain circles in college, the ones that did mushrooms were the "go out into nature, ingest them there, and stay there until everything is normal type." Definitely not a "party drug" in any of my observances. I've seen plenty of people drink and drive, less so smoke and drive, but I've never seen someone eat mushrooms and go anywhere, even on foot. Just my observations, and again, I was seeing this in social settings and you're dealing with people that have had the police called, so we're going to have had different experiences.

I will say this, as far as hyperbole goes, you always come out with the "smoke drain cleaner" whenever these sorts of topics come up and scoff at all other arguments. Just another observation.

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Good. If we treat people like adults, it's their responsibility what they put in their body.


Don't be some nanny state, big government asshole, you know like a democrat.

Legalize everything, but with that comes a non-revokable "DNR" if you have anything beyond pot in your system.

Cuz, freedom is freedom. I shouldn't have to pay for ODs and medical treatment for people who don't care about their own well being.

Their so responsible to put shit into their bodies, they can be responsible for what comes afterwards. You know, like take care of themselves too. Freedom and all.

No more nanny state, no more help. OD, you die.

I think this is the correct approach. With freedom, comes responsibility.

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When you read about pot impaired drivers being so much safer than alcohol impaired drivers I have to laugh.

Around here, there are way too many drivers impaired with natural stupidity, “HeadUpCellphoneitis”, or both without even getting into any mind altering substances.

Between our liberal handouts and early drug deregulation we have attracted darn near every tweaker, doper, and junkie in the country. I couldn’t imagine the Seattle freak show having access to hallucinogenics on every street corner.

And how would these ‘shrooms be on pizza?

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When you read about pot impaired drivers being so much safer than alcohol impaired drivers I have to laugh.

Around here, there are way too many drivers impaired with natural stupidity, “HeadUpCellphoneitis”, or both without even getting into any mind altering substances.

Honestly, I've had far too many close calls with drivers looking at their cell phones in one manner or another compared to someone who was looking like they were trying to keep it together and not get pulled over. I'm not arguing in any way for anyone driving impaired under any influence, but every time this sort of thing comes up, it immediately jumps to "what about someone driving impaired on it?" I'm not sure exactly how many impaired drivers I've encountered on roadways, but I could guess at a good percentage of distracted drivers that I observe talking on their phones or texting, or watching videos. There's a large disparity, I would guess.

The other factor that gets brought up is "we shouldn't have to be responsible for your medical bills" which, in this case is silly and reminiscent of "the shoulder thing that goes up." It's from folks that (if you're going to engage me on this, tell me I'm wrong here first or don’t bother) have never tried them and have no first-hand experience. It could be a once-in a lifetime thing for most, or a few times a year at best sorta thing for the space cowboy type. I ran in the "we're all artists and musicians circle" for a few years at a college known for that lifestyle and there wasn't one single person I met or heard of who did shrooms all day long, every day, and went out into public trying to function like a normal person. It's totally not that kind of thing. It just isn't.

Now, the homeless junkies that need to be institutionalized anyway don't need to be a reason to keep this sort of thing illegal, anymore than mass shooters need to be a reason to ban assault rifles. Murder is already illegal, and should be punished accordingly. Doing extra murder shouldn't somehow require "you get to die also but extra " ala Jone's line of logic.

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The liver donor list will skyrocket.

What does the use of mushrooms have to do with liver damage? Just curious, I've never heard of a correlation.

Idiots selling destroying angels as shrooms.

Like the fentanyl now showing up in THC oil.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
As I said above, if someone wants to use mushrooms, LSD, peyote, etc. till they drop, I don't care as long as they a long way from affecting society with it.

The unfortunately reality is that we all pay for these peoples poor choices, be it via incarceration costs or their medical bills (or both).

Which is different from an alcoholic or a chain smoker in which way?

It should apply to them as well, as far as I'm concerned.

I’m completely surprised that someone hasn’t explained to us about how much they prefer a mushroom impaired driver run an alcohol impaired driver.

When you read about pot impaired drivers being so much safer than alcohol impaired drivers I have to laugh.

I'm curious what percentage of all impaired drivers in history are/were impaired on mushrooms. When I traveled in certain circles in college, the ones that did mushrooms were the "go out into nature, ingest them there, and stay there until everything is normal type." Definitely not a "party drug" in any of my observances. I've seen plenty of people drink and drive, less so smoke and drive, but I've never seen someone eat mushrooms and go anywhere, even on foot. Just my observations, and again, I was seeing this in social settings and you're dealing with people that have had the police called, so we're going to have had different experiences.

I will say this, as far as hyperbole goes, you always come out with the "smoke drain cleaner" whenever these sorts of topics come up and scoff at all other arguments. Just another observation.

How cute. Could you tell me what a major component of meth is? Yeah, drain cleaner. I guess I invented that as hyperbole. I ll wait over here for you to dance around that. I know, no one does meth, right? Completely made that one up. I’m guessing the cartels that are flooding your area with meth are bringing in the biodegradable vegan meth made up of granola and the Colonels seven herbs and spices? Nah, it’s drain cleaner, lithium, and ephedrine. All the stuff a growing boy needs. Or does the crowd that considers this “freedom” think that people should be free of government intrusion to do this and that drug, but the government should definitely step in to stop them from putting this in their body? If you look that up, it’s called being a hypocrite.

People seem to be desperate to protect the doper life, ignoring what happens in America every day as if that’ll all go away if by golly they’ll just legalize it.

When did we start talking about meth?

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When did we start talking about meth?

Can't even think??? I'm pretty sure I can fly. Having a proven by .gov flashback. Probably due to meth.

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When did we start talking about meth?

The argument (by some) is “my body”. And the government shouldn’t tell them what to put in it. IT’S FREEDOM MAN!!!

But, apparently many are hypocrites that scream “my body” when it’s dope they like and other drugs are bad, mmmmmkay.

Legalize them all. Keeping it illegal isn’t working. Legalize it, and send people away for screwing up while under the influence. (Plus the other stuff that Rhino said).

Drugs are bad or they are not. Pick one. I truly believe that you should be free to put whatever in your body you wish. You fuck up, you’ll be held responsible. It has to go hand in hand. You can’t keep legalizing it with the “or else” of jail time.

The rest of this mock outrage is just that. All the excise making for the bad behavior, all the “well, he was an asshole before he did dope so it isn’t the dopes fault, etc” are just pandering for those who want legal dope that they like while trying to say its “freedom”.

As to the false flag “why can’t little Johnnie quit” and it does it always go to impaired driving line of questioning? Maybe it’s because people that do drugs also drive. Duh. The dishonesty of failing to admit that the vast majority just use this stuff to get high is probably the problem. And they drive. Pretty simple to figure out if you aren’t doping.

If we can legalize everything and get the chance to lock down the bad actors, we ve done something as a society. Right now, we re just rolling out more soft drugs and normalizing criminal behavior.

Some people want to claim they are pro-freedom, but when offered freedom with the responsibility that goes with it, they don’t want it. Just like sanctuary cities turning down illegals.

If you don’t believe in freedom to put whatever you want in your body, why do you want to legalize mushrooms?

How cute. You're arguing for what you wanna see while saying I'm arguing for what I wanna see and calling me a hypocrite when I never said that about you.

And the beat goes on...

Honestly, I could give a fuck whether people do shrooms or not. The truth is, it's a lot less of an issue than anyone wholly opposed to it is willing to put the time into it realizes. But keep pumping out them convincing paragraphs. I mean, you get paid either way, right? Enforcement or tax collection? Wasn't that your schtick about legalized weed some years back?

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If you don’t believe in freedom to put whatever you want in your body, why do you want to legalize mushrooms?

At the bare minimum, I find it intellectually dishonest to conflate shit that grows naturally in the ground, on its own, with synthesized anything that requires some chemical science to happen. There's a difference there, yes or no, sir?

Even if Tuesday's vote passes to decriminalize I honestly can't see any rush to increase the use of mushrooms. If it weren't for a mailing from Leafly in my junk mail, I wouldn't have even had any thoughts one way or another about mushrooms. I can't even remember the last time the subject of mushrooms was even brought up in a conversation. Having been in my late teens I remember friends picking those in cow fields and boiling them into a gray soup that tasted awful to drink even with heavy doses of honey. It did cause hallucinations, nobody got into cars to drive and never a flashback. The taste alone was enough to put me off from trying it again. Now, almost 50yrs later I've hardly heard a word about mushrooms except on a pizza.

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How cute. You're arguing for what you wanna see while saying I'm arguing for what I wanna see and calling me a hypocrite when I never said that about you.

And the beat goes on...

Honestly, I could give a fuck whether people do shrooms or not. The truth is, it's a lot less of an issue than anyone wholly opposed to it is willing to put the time into it realizes. But keep pumping out them convincing paragraphs. I mean, you get paid either way, right? Enforcement or tax collection? Wasn't that your schtick about legalized weed some years back?

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If you don’t believe in freedom to put whatever you want in your body, why do you want to legalize mushrooms?

At the bare minimum, I find it intellectually dishonest to conflate shit that grows naturally in the ground, on its own, with synthesized anything that requires some chemical science to happen. There's a difference there, yes or no, sir?

Either you believe in freedom or you do not. I’m sorry you find that simple premise to be intellectually dishonest. Dope seems to be a pretty emotionally charged issue for you. I’ll leave you to your rants that if it grows it’s good, if it doesn’t grow the government needs to nanny you.

And speaking of history, you were preaching that if MJ were legalized, the cartels would go out of business because the government would be cheaper. How well did that work out for you? And are the cops out of business or are they going after tax evading doers? Spooky, I know. Oh and I know it doesn’t matter to you, but what I said back in the day was DOPE COPS will always have a job enforcing untaxed dope. I will always have a job because these swell guys that you can’t see doing anything but but having a prayer vigil always seem to have stolen property on them. Again, spooky.

I ll leave you to it.

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At the bare minimum, I find it intellectually dishonest to conflate shit that grows naturally in the ground, on its own, with synthesized anything that requires some chemical science to happen. There's a difference there, yes or no, sir?

I don't care what you do, where it came from, or how it makes you feel.

If doing any of it makes you a liability to the rest of us, I don't want to pay for it, fix it, or deal with it.

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... I feel like I’m trying to debate a liberal college student.

I guess I was a bit flippant. I apologize.

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No worries. I was getting a bit frustrated, myself.

After getting through to page 4 of this thread, I need a hit of something.

I’ve fried on acid and shrooms more times than most anyone I know.

I think all would do well from a good trip if they are in the right mind space.

That said, he’ll no, should this shit be legalized. Absolutely absurd.

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At the bare minimum, I find it intellectually dishonest to conflate shit that grows naturally in the ground, on its own, with synthesized anything that requires some chemical science to happen. There's a difference there, yes or no, sir?

The days of hippies sneaking through pastures to search out psilocybin mushrooms growing on cow turds is over. Do a search for psilocybin spores and the internet is FULL of sites worldwide selling them. What do you think will happen if they become legalized? What do you think will happen when they become really popular because you can suddenly get them anywhere?

The “all things in moderation” crowd don’t see a problem because like pot smokers that lightly indulge, they say it’s not a way of life. The numbers of losers that are making pot a way of life because it’s now legal and easily sourced is increasing.

But it’s not about pot, or shrooms, or meth, or fentanyl, or etc. It’s about the culture of getting fucked up. It’s erosive and deteriorates the fiber of the country with the increasing number of people that want to get baked. Why do you think the Chinese are importing fentanyl and other synthetic narcotics as fast as they can be produced? It weakens us collectively. Anyone that thinks legalizing leads to decreased usage of any mind or body altering substance is off their nut.