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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Unfortunately we are in the minority, as a large group of people who cry "Freedom" really want "Subsidized Freedom". Basically they want the freedom to make bad choices - be it drug use, overeating, over-spending, poor criminal decisions; yet when it comes time to the flip side of freedom (known as consequences), they are the first to cry for help, which means Govt / taxpayer money swooping into pay for drug rehab, medical expenses, bailouts, and decriminalization (if that is even a word). A small example are the people who cry police brutality, fuck the police, fuck the man - yet the first number the call when their house is burning down, their obese Grandma is stroking out, someone stole all their shit? 9-1-1 for some HELP! | |||
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Spread the Disease |
^^^ Totally agree. A truly free society comes with good and bad aspects. Not many are willing to accept that and see past the fluffy fairy tale after school special. ________________________________________ -- Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past me I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. -- | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
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| It's not you, it's me.  |
Good. As previously stated, if people want this, it’s already pretty easy to get. | |||
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Honky Lips |
The three of us, are all on the same page. | |||
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From what I've read, the flashbacks can vary in intensity, but can be debilitating and, as you stated, they are unpredictable. But the other point that I've brought up is that possible longterm psychosis that can result. Some here disagree, but the information is anecdotal. Others cite internet studies that don't indicate any information on long term side effects, but they(nor I) have any idea how valid that information is, and I am inclined not to put much weight behind it. I think the best thing we can say, rationally, is that there is conflicting data regarding the dangers of abusing psychedelic drugs, so they're a crap shoot, at best. I am somewhat libertarian, but that's a really poor basis to legalize or decriminalize behavior that can have wide-ranging effects on others. As I said above, if someone wants to use mushrooms, LSD, peyote, etc. till they drop, I don't care as long as they a long way from affecting society with it. . | |||
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| Member |
From what I saw growing up- Mushrooms weren't a gateway drug to success. We have enough mental health problems- Why throw more gas on the fire? ____________________________________________________ The butcher with the sharpest knife has the warmest heart. | |||
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| Honky Lips |
So. you're in agreement with FEV, rhino and myself. When we say do as you'd like but you own the consequences of your actions regardless of what you've chosen to impair yourself with. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
The unfortunately reality is that we all pay for these peoples poor choices, be it via incarceration costs or their medical bills (or both). | |||
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| Honky Lips |
Which is different from an alcoholic or a chain smoker in which way? | |||
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| Member |
I don't really think so, not if I am reading you correctly. I am saying that people who want to do this need to go live in some remote wilderness area, absent any real ability to affect members of society. I think you are saying, let them go for it, then let the person, and society, deal with the clean-up and aftermath, including jail time, etc. Am I reading you wrong? I guess we are all saying, in different ways, that decriminalization is a bad idea? . | |||
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| Member |
If we were in a free market for health insurance, those individuals would pay their own way in the form of higher insurance premiums, but you are probably right; in the current obamacare world, we are surely picking up their tab. . | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
It should apply to them as well, as far as I'm concerned. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Just like the motorist with 15 speeding tickets and multiple accidents pays higher rates for car insurance... Just like the high risk skydiver can't get cheap life insurance... Just like the people who own and rebuild homes on the beaches where hurricanes can and eventually will destroy them pay more for home / flood insurance... Actions have (or had) consequences, it should be left up to those how act to bear them in full. | |||
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Not really from Vienna |
What of the toad lickers? Who will stand up for them? | |||
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| Member |
I guess I was a bit flippant. I apologize. . | |||
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| Honky Lips |
precisely. | |||
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Funny Man |
Based on this train of thought, "we don't know, therefore we can't in good faith legalize it". What would you say if we had good hard data. If we could reliably document let's say 90,000 annual deaths to the use of hallucinogenic substances. These deaths being comprised of users and bystanders caught up in the mayhem they caused. Based on that, keep it illegal or make it legal? ______________________________ “I'd like to know why well-educated idiots keep apologizing for lazy and complaining people who think the world owes them a living.” ― John Wayne | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
This is a great idea. Now, instead of the mushroomer being prosecuted at the city level, the case gets kicked up to the state or federal levels for action. If the state or DOJ.gov refuses to prosecute there is an imbalance in the application of the law. That's gotta help some poor schmuck being federally prosecuted for violation of firearms laws like dealing without a license. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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Member |
No, I believe toad licking is next on the agenda. ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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