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Originally posted by wcb6092:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.or.../14/charlottesville/

Charlottesville

Paul Craig Roberts


*SNIP*

If the white heterosexual males lose, I wonder who will protect the white women. Are they destined for the same rape and butchery as befell German women from the Russians and Americans once the Wehrmacht surrendered?

*SNIP*

Mostly a good article (I did skim in places as it's yuge), but he is DEAD WRONG about the supposed American rape and butchery against German women. I suppose it's likely that some abuse occurred in isolated incidences, but I've NEVER read of any. One CANNOT lump the SYSTEMIC and WIDESPREAD abuse and rape by the Red Army (encouraged and approved of by the military brass) against German women and GIRLS with the conduct of American soldiers. That is just despicable.

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Originally posted by Sigmund:

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Originally posted by ArLEOret:
Article in Slate about neo Nazis etc were carrying guns, body armor, camouflage and were prepared for violence....

Have you seen any photos of all these guys with guns? I have not. Gov McAuliffe also claimed the Nazis were better armed than the local police. Why are the photos of these not all over on the front pages???

I believe there were some pics showing they were carrying baseball bats and flame throwers.

Well Stone Mountain made the list, wondered how long before someone made mention of the mural,

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2...-off-stone-mountain/

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Originally posted by HRK:
Well Stone Mountain made the list, wondered how long before someone made mention of the mural,

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2...-off-stone-mountain/

I wonder how long before Lewis and Clark are hit here in the Pacific Northwest.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Well Stone Mountain made the list, wondered how long before someone made mention of the mural,

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2...-off-stone-mountain/

"Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams called for the removal of the giant carving that depicts three Confederate war leaders on the face of state-owned Stone Mountain, saying it “remains a blight on our state and should be removed.”

“We must never celebrate those who defended slavery and tried to destroy the union,” Abrams said in a series of tweets posted early Tuesday, a response to the deadly violence sparked by white supremacist groups in Charlottesville, Va. "

Have a deeper look into Ms. Abrams.

Don't even think for a minute that all this monument removal is only about the Confederacy.

Its about advancing the USA toward the progressive's goal of the totalitarian state.



http://kylewingfield.blog.myaj...democratic-politics/

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Originally posted by Hound Dog:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
http://www.paulcraigroberts.or.../14/charlottesville/

Charlottesville

Paul Craig Roberts


*SNIP*

If the white heterosexual males lose, I wonder who will protect the white women. Are they destined for the same rape and butchery as befell German women from the Russians and Americans once the Wehrmacht surrendered?

*SNIP*

Mostly a good article (I did skim in places as it's yuge), but he is DEAD WRONG about the supposed American rape and butchery against German women. I suppose it's likely that some abuse occurred in isolated incidences, but I've NEVER read of any. One CANNOT lump the SYSTEMIC and WIDESPREAD abuse and rape by the Red Army (encouraged and approved of by the military brass) against German women and GIRLS with the conduct of American soldiers. That is just despicable.

This! In spades!!

I spent a total 11 years in Germany and had the privilege of interacting with many, many Germans.

I got over there in 1956. Never once did I hear a single case of American troops engaged in campaigns of violence against anybody.

And, as I recall from reading various books, articles, etc the Russians had a 3 day window during which they could do pretty much what they wanted. After that, law prevailed.

A number of my wife's extended family, including all her grand parents were in East Germany until the border was eliminated. And they had personal knowledge of what happened in the Soviet zone. We had discussions on more than one occasion and their solid conviction was that after the 3 days, law and order prevailed and the Russian hierarchy was known for stringent enforcement of laws/rules. For the Germans as well as for the Russian soldiers. Some of the stories were kind of humorous. Some not so.

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Jonah Goldberg's Was Fascism Right-Wing (Again)?.

Jonah is good...
"Pseudoerasmus illuminates a great source of confusion among critics of Liberal Fascism — and among some fans as well. When I say that fascism or Nazism was of the Left, I’m using as my yardstick the Anglo-American, classical-liberal, tradition."
"I could go on, of course. But this is already an absurdly long response to a critique of a seven-year-old book by a blogger who doesn’t seem to have read it in the first place...."

Have you read his book?

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I reject the view that "left is about control and right is about freedom," as we've ample evidence in both history and in current affairs to disprove that assertion.

It's all theoretical, of course.
It starts with a theoretical continuum that goes from complete, total government control over the people on one side, and goes to NO government at all on the other side.
Neither has ever existed.

I suppose that if one man existed in a state of nature, alone, without contact or interaction with other people... you could say that he was completely free of government. But, then again, you could also say that he himself was the sovereign and as such he was under complete, total government control.

At any rate, thanks for the discussion.
We won't agree 100% but I think we each now know where the other is coming from.

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Have you seen any photos of all these guys with guns? I have not. Gov McAuliffe also claimed the Nazis were better armed than the local police. Why are the photos of these not all over on the front pages???

One has to remember just who McAwful really is!

A fucking carpet bagger from out of state, funded by democraP activists.

Liberal/Leftists really do believe that America is evil. They really do want to tear down America and destroy it.
The Confederate monuments are just the "easiest target" in the effort to tear down American history and replace it with "The Liberal Narrative".

While slavery is very clearly "evil" to us, we must remember that there really is a context to history. Slavery was a standard, accepted institution throughout all of recorded human history. The Hebrews were slaves, the Roman Empire depended upon slaves, the Vikings had slaves, Black tribes took other Black tribes as slaves, Black tribes made money in the slave trade, the Chinese had slaves, the Mayans, Incas, and Aztecs all had slaves, the first legal slave-owner in America was himself Black!!....all this was standard operating procedure in the ancient world...
Until 300,000 mostly White, mostly male, mostly Christians, under a Republican President, motivated by the shared judeo-Christian morality and ethics, fought and died to end slavery.

WHERE IS THE GRATITUDE ??!

The Southerners were not "exceptionally evil", the Christian abolitionists of the North were exceptionally moral, brave, and dedicated to human rights.

Again. where is the world's gratitude ?

Mitt Romney sides with communist/anarchist bigots and racists in Antifa and BLM.

I can think of only one solution-

Exercise your constitutional right to vote. When we have judges who will incarserate those who perpetrate crime, peace will be restored.

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The Confederate monuments are just the "easiest target" in the effort to tear down American history and replace it with "The Liberal Narrative".
While slavery is very clearly "evil" to us, we must remember that there really is a context to history...

Good post, Crom!

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I reject the view that "left is about control and right is about freedom," as we've ample evidence in both history and in current affairs to disprove that assertion

Indeed.

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The right has its own ideas of what constitutes "liberty," just as does the left. The right has been as guilty of book-burning as the left. The right remains the primary opposition to decriminalizing recreational drug use (other than alcohol). The right is the one most opposed to gays freely engaging in relationships of their choosing. It is the right that wants to end abortion entirely, even in the cases of rape and incest.

Exactly.

*Both* sides have the propensity and history of leaning toward and even outwardly espousing excessively authoritarian paradigms and policies, such that it suits their own designs. The far/religious right would ratchet things down tighter than Sister Mary's privates if they actually had a majority and we're given half a chance, often not so cleverly couched in the notion of States Rights and the like - but it's at least half a ruse and chellim knows it, too, but he's a clever lawyer and party wonk who loves to argue these points just the same. We still like him, though. At least he's polite and consistent in his arguments.

Mitt, You let Obozo kick your ass. Go away.

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Originally posted by chuck416:
I can think of only one solution-

Exercise your constitutional right to vote. When we have judges who will incarserate those who perpetrate crime, peace will be restored.

The vast majority of these monuments and statues are being torn down by the 'authorities' in these liberal cesspool cities. Other states need to do what Alabama did - pass a state law prohibiting tearing down historical statues and monuments.

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The far/religious right would ratchet things down tighter than Sister Mary's privates

The only thing worse than complete, total government control of the individual would be complete, total clerical control of the individual!

Of course, on the far right side of the continuum would be no government at all... anarchy. Every man and woman for himself, no rule of law, no protection other than what you yourself can provide.

My respect for Mitt Romney has eroded to below zero.
He is just another despicable asshole.

(I actually voted for him. Another shame in my life.)

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right."

George Orwell
1984
Part 2, Section 5
Winston to Julia

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Originally posted by RichardC:....Have a deeper look into Ms. Abrams.

Don't even think for a minute that all this monument removal is only about the Confederacy.

Its about advancing the USA toward the progressive's goal of the totalitarian state....

Bolding mine, hope you don't mind.

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Originally posted by Crom:
My respect for Mitt Romney has eroded to below zero.
He is just another despicable asshole.

(I actually voted for him. Another shame in my life.)

I did not vote for Mittens, I voted against the incompetent. (I mean incumbant. My spell check is witty...)