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Republican in training |
We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights. -------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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Still finding my way |
So if I don't like what you say I can label you a Nazi and you will have no rights? Is that what you're arguing for because that's exactly the results you'll get. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
Serious question - who decides what makes a person a "Nazi"..? | |||
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| Republican in training |
Probably when you waltz around at a protest wearing swastikas and giving the Nazis salute would be a good start, don't ya think?? -------------------- I like Sigs and HK's, and maybe Glocks | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Does that apply equally to people that march about, destroy things and attack people, including police, while wearing black balaclavas or otherwise concealing their identity?
Try dressing all in black, including a black balaclava and then go into work a few days, or walk around and shop at the mall in your head-to-toe black concealment "uniform." See how far that gets you, or how much PEACE you experience. Report back here after you do it so we can hear your observations. Your moral outrage seems pretty lopsided. I think you need a bit more training on that "Republican" thing. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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A Grateful American |
"We defeated the Jews in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks during the war. I draw the line at Jews, they have no place here. They deserve no rights." The premis is dangerous, no matter what group we substitute. I like my justice blindfolded. I do not fear the "Nazis", but I have concern for those who would deny the rights of anyone because of their single mindedness. One of the reasons our Republic has so many representitives, so that a single man, cannot change all things on a whim. "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Don, Lady Justice's blindfold ain't to give to Nazis so that she can execute them. You don't get to decide these things, Don. We have laws that govern us. We have the Constitution. | |||
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| Still finding my way |
When they decide that what YOU wear justifies stripping you of your rights as a citizen of this country you will go quietly? You need to read more on why the 1st Amendment is in place buddy. | |||
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| Made from a different mold  |
 You've got some explaining to do Mr. Draper. Why do you own a Volkswagen? Are you a Nazi? Adolf Hitler and Volkswagen ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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The Joy Maker |
Folks like Don Draper here are why we have a First Amendment in the first place. It's all well and good to say things like "no free speech for Nazis!" but when one tries to actually implement it, that's when things get sticky. How "Nazi" does one have to be? I mean, it's not all goofy salutes, "Fuck the Jews!", and snazzy uniforms, there's actual politics to it, ideas, some of them are kinda good, and used elsewhere. What I'm saying is, what makes a Nazi a Nazi in the eyes of the law? Because, as already mentioned, we are a nation of laws, and if we decide that something is bad enough to ban, it needs to be codified. That bullshit of "I'll know it when I see it" doesn't does jive with our constitutional republic. 
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Drug Dealer |
Here's Stefan Molyneau's take on the Charlottesville thing. I think he's spot on. It's nearly 30min long, but I don't regret spending the time watching it. Link to original video: https://youtu.be/hjg3joKXfqc When a thing is funny, search it carefully for a hidden truth. - George Bernard Shaw | |||
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| Member |
slightly more smarmy review of this fiasco, but along similar lines. another 30 minutes though. NSFW Link to original video: https://youtu.be/jgccg9xurE8?t=2m48s | |||
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safe & sound |
I would 100% agree if we were dealing with a two way street here. But is that what we're dealing with? Do you think that any of these hard left groups would recognize a single right of yours were they in a position to deny them? I'm not taking Don's stance on Nazis or whatever, just looking at the big picture. I believe a monster is growing because we are allowing it to grow. The monster has rights. What if that monster grows to the point that it can decide what are and are not rights? | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
I have no use for fascists of any stripe. You, sir, are a fascist. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
When everyone is calling everyone else a fascist.... perhaps we should think about what the term means. Substitute "national socialist" for both "nazi" and "fascist" and you see how ridiculous it is that everyone is calling everyone else a fascist. Fascism is on the Left, not the Right. Watch Dinesh D'Souza: "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici |
Don, your argument is teleological and obtuse. You need to challenge your premises, which include that 1. By someone else labeling a person with a hot button label that alienates their inalienable God given rights and 2. That any one person's opinion of to whom a label may apply is sufficient grounds to deprive another person of their rights. Those are attitudes that are not consistent with the founding principles of this nation. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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| Made from a different mold |
He won't acknowledge how close his view of Nazi's actually align with Nazism. I think the word "hypocrisy" is missing from his dictionary. ___________________________ No thanks, I've already got a penguin. | |||
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| Nullus Anxietas |
Nice try, but no cigar.
I don't see any mention there of "right" vs. "left." Save the "nationalism" part, this defines leftism to a "T". But it applies as well to any equally repressive right-wing regime, such as the many that cropped up in South America. As for Nazism being equated to socialism: That's purile argument, based solely on the fact that the Nazi party was the "National Socialist" party. In practice and in fact there was little "socialist" about the Nazi party, other than possibly the Volkswagen. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| No double standards |
Yes, many Nazis were hung after WWII - after a lengthy trial under the rule of law. And many were acquitted/exonerated. And as others have suggested here, based on your views, all I would have to do is call you a Nazi, for any reason or no reason, and my violence against you would be justified. You may want to be careful, I live in the Bay Area CA, the labels of Nazi and Republican are often interchanged in my surroundings. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
ensigmatic, I don't really want to argue with you... but would you agree that on the right we want individual liberty, ie. as little government as possible? Does "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator" sound like individual liberty to you? If the far left is complete and total government, everything in the state, nothing outside the state.... then the far right would be NO government, or anarchy. Fascism has always been understood to be on the left, up until recent revisionism has attempted to confuse people into thinking fascism is on the right. On the right, we want freedom from too much government, not the "stringent socioeconomic controls" in your definition. Did you watch the Dinesh D'Souza video above? There's a thread on it here as well: Your morning dose of enlightenment, courtesy of Dinesh D'Souza https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/5470017824/p/2 "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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