I won't enter the debate over what started it. However, after watching the videos and hearing all the commentators over the past several days, I have a couple nagging questions from the law enforcement perspective.

-Did law enforcement know these people were coming to stage protests and counter protests?
-Did they have any idea of how many people would be there?
-Was there a plan to take out violent actors early on?
-Was there a perimeter and entry control into the protest area?
-Were physical barriers used to separate the opposing sides?
-Was the protest area sealed off from vehicle traffic?
-Did law enforcement have the appropriate number of officers and resources to clamp down hard on violent actors?
-Were orders given to allow command officers on the ground the authority to take decisive action?
-Why in the Hell would anyone going to a peaceful protest arrive wearing helmets and carrying clubs and shields? And why would law enforcement allow them into the area so equipped? It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to see what was afoot.

It is clear to me that several factions arrived at the protest site expecting violence either from opposing forces or of their own making. I doubt most of those idiots gives a spit about the "issues"; conflict and crisis make good television for all the participants and to some it is their "job" or just something to do on a Saturday afternoon. The environment was set for the one nut job to think it was a good idea to drive his car through a crowd and hurt a lot of people.

The criminals are responsible for their criminal acts, and the racial entrepreneurs, bigots, and puppeteers are morally responsible for setting the stage for violence.

But in my view, law enforcement was woefully unprepared to deal with this situation. Individuals officers when put in this situation will perform to the best of their ability. But civil unrest requires strong command and control and decisive action. I would have expected mass arrests. Either they were caught unawares, or they didn't have the resources necessary, they did not have good policy in place, or they were poorly trained and led. I am sure the helicopter crash and loss of two officers was a major distraction as well. Probably a combination of all the above, but in the end the law enforcement response was ineffective.

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

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Originally posted by mutedblade:
What happens when Christians, or Jews, or guys named Don are looked at no differently than Nazi's? Is this how our republic dies, by giving up your rights in spite of the protections given to you without any protest? I am no fan of Nazi's, KKK, commies, the BLM, New Black Panthers, or any other hate espousing group, but there are reasons our Bill of Rights explicitly gives those groups a way to express themselves PEACEABLY (key word here).

You can use Mormons or JW's (etc etc) in that analogy - but it just simply doesn't work with Nazi's. Try dressing up as a Nazi and then go into work a few days, or walk around and shop at the mall in your SS uniform. See how far that gets you, or how much PEACE you experience. Report back here after you do it so we can hear your observations.

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Originally posted by mutedblade: Hell, one could assume that because you own a Volkswagen, that you are in fact a closet Nazi.

Yes indeed, all of those completely stupid people with IQ's well below the Forrest Gump range. I worry about those fuckers every time I drive to work.

You really don't get it do you? The point is in the case of Charlottesville, they were supposed to be protected, just like a church gathering is protected. If you don't like it, get the law changed. Just because you hate a certain group of people, you cannot take away their rights. The actual Nazi's did that back in the 1930's. Ask any Jew from the era that was rounded up and sent to concentration camps why they were done that way.

I could have been at the rally expressing my feelings that the statue shouldn't be removed (that is my official position by the way) and just because I am white, they would have labeled me as a Nazi (or at the very least, a Nazi sympathizer). This is exactly what happened this weekend for so many white people. That is how the left spins things. No need to have actual proof that any of it is true, just the mere association is enough. That is why my analogy of you owning a Volkswagen is near perfect. It doesn't take a low IQ person to think such things, it has been espoused daily by the left. See the recent thread about milk for fucks sake.

Lets have a discussion about what happens next if every neo-Nazi in the US were to drop dead at this very moment (god strikes them all down) kinda scenario: who does the left move to next? What little thing will they tie into being racist and call for action against? There are so many things that offend, they could pick any of them. Gun owners are mostly white, so why not them? There is no end to the stupidity of the left and how they bend truth, half truths, or shit that isn't truthful at all knows no bounds. How long before you are in a group that they decide to target? Once you are targeted, many will view you like you do the Nazi's! At that point, should your rights be revoked, just because you view differently than they do?

As to your comments about me owning a SS uniform, I really hope you are kidding !

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Lets have a discussion about what happens next if every neo-Nazi in the US were to drop dead at this very moment (god strikes them all down) kinda scenario: who does the left move to next? What little thing will they tie into being racist and call for action against? There are so many things that offend, they could pick any of them.

“First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.”

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If you have watched the available videos, the guy got a running start from a block away. It appears that he was hit with sticks only after he had sent people flying by hitting them. Be that as it may, if a guy had just missed me by 6 inches and I was holding a pole, yeah, I might take a swing at his car.

I was coming back across Rt 250 Saturday morning with my family after grocery shopping and I came within 6 inches or so of about 20 people walking on the street or across the street. You're saying that it would have been okay for them to do damage to my car because I was in the wrong place (on the road, where cars are typically required to drive)? Your idea may hold merit if it was a one off incident, but the folks in the street were there to cause chaos by shutting down those streets. It may well had been me on the news if the BLM folks had started hitting my car and I felt threatened. There is no cause to destroy others property for no reason, even if you don't agree with their views.

Yessir ChuckFinley and 10-7 leo! At this point, those that don't get it, don't want to.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
But in my view, law enforcement was woefully unprepared to deal with this situation. Individuals officers when put in this situation will perform to the best of their ability. But civil unrest requires strong command and control and decisive action. I would have expected mass arrests. Either they were caught unawares, or they didn't have the resources necessary, they did not have good policy in place, or they were poorly trained and led.

Or, administration/city officials were in sympathy and collusion with the progressives, facilitating their goals by having the PD stand down.

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No information about who is behind the the counter-protestors . There's more going on here than meets the eye and with a willing media, it's about to get worse .

Sounds like Soros to me.

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Saddens me greatly to see the level of stupidity and hatred running rampant nowadays.

Well, they have been working at destroying our schools for decades. No surprise to me that half our nation is totally ignorant of what is going on. They have never been taught to actually think critically, to analyze a situation, and actually come up with a RATIONAL solution.

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Well, they have been working at destroying our schools for decades. No surprise to me that half our nation is totally ignorant of what is going on. They have never been taught to actually think critically, to analyze a situation, and actually come up with a RATIONAL solution.

Amen.

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Saddens me greatly to see the level of stupidity and hatred running rampant nowadays.

Well, they have been working at destroying our schools for decades. No surprise to me that half our nation is totally ignorant of what is going on. They have never been taught to actually think critically, to analyze a situation, and actually come up with a RATIONAL solution.

For sure, but I lay a lot of the blame on the professional media, and the role social media is playing in our society. We no longer have truth, or stories, we have narratives. Any schmo with a smartphone and a social media account can start a narrative, ie "hands up don't shoot", and people just run with it as if it's gospel truth. The media's job is supposed to be investigating the narrative, looking into all angles, and then publishing a story(s) that encompasses all the facts. But their mandate right now is feed the trolls so to speak in order to garner up ratings and notoriety for themselves. Journalism is dead, or at least in a coma right now and you just have to assume that every story you read has some sort of bias from the author/publisher. The liberal bias in the media is a whole other animal that has reached epic proportions.

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Originally posted by NK402:
if a guy had just missed me by 6 inches and I was holding a pole, yeah, I might take a swing at his car.

Only if you're not man enough to punch out the side rear window!
Don't recall who that was here, but I'm sure somebody does.....

If you ask me, I won't tell you it was Orguss, so, don't ask me...

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:

With enough emotion anything seems reasonable....

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Originally posted by justjoe:
The official name of the rally was "Unite the Right." Up to this point, the violence had been small scale.

It was far from a Nazi rally. And white and I'm a nationalist, if they're going by that metric I guess it was a white nationalist rally. I have a bunch of friends that are there

Agreed, I did as well, they were all from groups preserving Southern Heritage and Civil War Landmarks.

It seems the .gov there in Charlottesville which is very liberal, promoted it as a white supremacy rally, that was a small segment among racist groups on both sides of the spectrum.

August 15, 2017
Newsflash: Trump is not to blame for Charlottesville

Charlottesville provided a "dog whistle" for the left to lurch into anti-Trump mode and blame him for the violence that occurred there on Saturday. The hysteria served up by the leftist media over the weekend was calculated and contemptible. What is wrong with this picture? So much.

The event had been in the works for months, a product of the leftists who are intent upon the destruction of every statue of former Confederate icons (Democrats all). The rally protesting the planned destruction of a Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville had been issued a permit that was defended by the ACLU when the city tried to revoke it.

The locals -- Governor McAuliffe, Mayor Michael Signer, and the police -- had ample warning that a conflict was likely. The ragtag smaller group of protestors with a permit saw neo-Nazi and white nationalist groups run to the front of the parade to claim leadership (with the full cooperation of the media), while the Antifa and Black Lives Matter counter protesters who did not seek a permit for their counter-demonstrations, have a recent history of violence. Antifa, first and foremost, is known for particularly lethal violence, much more than the silly white supremacist groups that regularly show their ugly faces.

Pending the Department of Justice investigation, we do not know who initiated the violence in Charlottesville, but there is, as usual, a media backout on close examination of the violence clearly intended by the counter-protestors without a permit for their activity. The unspoken law of the press is that every word reported must conform to their agenda; that would be the Democrat/leftist/media agenda that is of course anti-Trump. The man could part the Red Sea and the left would attack him for interfering with the oceans. That is how it is. And it is not likely to change any time soon.

President Trump had nothing whatsoever to do with what happened in Charlottesville but the venal media and their cohorts in Congress on both sides of the aisle could not wait five minutes before blaming him for the violence. Does that not feel like a set-up? Just as in Berkeley, Ferguson and Baltimore, the police stood by as violent, masked, armed thugs attacked. For one reason or another, riots and chaos were permitted furthering the cause of racial division. This is the legacy of the Obama administration. For eight years, Obama promoted racial conflict; he reveled in it. He was proud of it.

The worker bees of the Democratic Party, leftist media CNN, NBC CBS, ABC, MSNBC, NYT, WaPo, LA Times, aided and abetted the skullduggery of the leftists, who want nothing more than to bring Trump down, to see him impeached. They are shameless and completely immoral in this quest. The violence in Charlottesville is a perfect example. A hoard of mentally ill people, small in number but ripe for media exploitation, act up like the morons they are. The local police stand down and let them do their thing. It will be good for Gov. McAulliffe's presidential ambitions. These thugs will behave badly and the left can use it. A woman died and others were injured. It will work to the benefit of the left.

It should be unimaginable, how vile and amoral the leftists are today. They are ready, willing and able to mount any smear campaign, indict any innocent conservative, slime any person wrongly if it furthers their agenda, to bring down Trump. The Saul Alinsky left has taken over the Democrats and it is a tragedy. This lot is prepared to torch the country to take him down because he won an election. Sadly, they have many collaborators in the Republican Party. These anti-Trumpers misjudge Trump's base so grievously. That base really is made up of Americans who just want to make America great again. They will not be fooled by the absolute nonsense that is "Trump is to blame for Charlottesville." He is not. They are.

http://www.americanthinker.com...charlottesville.html

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:

In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away....

Again to clarify, I say or do something you find offensive. I have broken no laws. But your taking offense justifies you to enact hate filled violence against me, in violation of the law.

Welcome to mobocracy, works well until you find you have offended another mobster, then the hate filled violence is now taken out on you. Look in the mirror DonDraper, you hold the same hate you pretend to denounce.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

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If you have watched the available videos, the guy got a running start from a block away. It appears that he was hit with sticks only after he had sent people flying by hitting them

No video of what happened prior to this. The fact is his car didn't hit those people directly,. he struck one or two parked vehicles that hit them

His views were probably very racist although how those attacking the car knew that is beyond me. Seems they simply lash out at anyone.

The investigation is just beginning with misinformation being spread by both sides. I wondered how mainstream media could post that three were killed when the unfortunate crew of the helicopter had no direct involvement unless something comes out in the future to document a connection with the rally and their crash.

The Antifa movement calls everyone a Nazi, yet the mimic them.

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When the Nazis occupied France, they removed all metal monuments & statues so they could be melted down.

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2016/01/25/47143/

In all of this I wonder if we'll ever get the truth in time to do any good.

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In all of this I wonder if we'll ever get the truth in time to do any good.

I might suggest that quite often in such situations, most parties have quite a bit of incentive to manipulate "truth" to fit their desired outcome.

Seems to me one truth here is that hatred, rarely if ever, leads to good things. Another truth, pride (ie, my hate is good while other's hate is bad) goeth before the fall.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
In all of this I wonder if we'll ever get the truth in time to do any good.

The left will obfuscate and lie to keep the truth suppressed. I sincerely hope that the DOJ does a complete and through job of combing through emails, texts, and social media posts of the city council, Mayor Seigheil, and the rest of Virginia's current leadership.

edited to add a link for Mr. DonDraper
Well, I Guess We're All Nazis Now

Basically, gun owners are bad, as such, we are all Nazi's.

I do like the quote from David Burge though
"There are 378 genders, but politics boils down to Nazis vs people who agree with me"
That shit right there explains exactly how intellectually fucked the left is.