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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

So if I don't like what you say I can label you a Nazi and you will have no rights? Is that what you're arguing for because that's exactly the results you'll get.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

Serious question - who decides what makes a person a "Nazi"..?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

Serious question - who decides what makes a person a "Nazi"..?

Probably when you waltz around at a protest wearing swastikas and giving the Nazis salute would be a good start, don't ya think??

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Does that apply equally to people that march about, destroy things and attack people, including police, while wearing black balaclavas or otherwise concealing their identity?

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
You can use Mormons or JW's (etc etc) in that analogy - but it just simply doesn't work with Nazi's. Try dressing up as a Nazi and then go into work a few days, or walk around and shop at the mall in your SS uniform. See how far that gets you, or how much PEACE you experience. Report back here after you do it so we can hear your observations.

Try dressing all in black, including a black balaclava and then go into work a few days, or walk around and shop at the mall in your head-to-toe black concealment "uniform." See how far that gets you, or how much PEACE you experience. Report back here after you do it so we can hear your observations.

Your moral outrage seems pretty lopsided. I think you need a bit more training on that "Republican" thing.

"We defeated the Jews in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks during the war. I draw the line at Jews, they have no place here. They deserve no rights."

The premis is dangerous, no matter what group we substitute.

I like my justice blindfolded.

I do not fear the "Nazis", but I have concern for those who would deny the rights of anyone because of their single mindedness.

One of the reasons our Republic has so many representitives, so that a single man, cannot change all things on a whim.

Don, Lady Justice's blindfold ain't to give to Nazis so that she can execute them.

You don't get to decide these things, Don. We have laws that govern us. We have the Constitution.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

Serious question - who decides what makes a person a "Nazi"..?

Probably when you waltz around at a protest wearing swastikas and giving the Nazis salute would be a good start, don't ya think??

When they decide that what YOU wear justifies stripping you of your rights as a citizen of this country you will go quietly?
You need to read more on why the 1st Amendment is in place buddy.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by Scoutmaster:
In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Yes, that's exactly right. Bingo. Once you reach level 1000 stupid and don a Nazi uniform - you automatically sign all your rights to not be hated away...

Your CUT says 'Republican in training'. I'm thinking that you may need to schedule some remedial classes.
The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold?



We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

Serious question - who decides what makes a person a "Nazi"..?

Probably when you waltz around at a protest wearing swastikas and giving the Nazis salute would be a good start, don't ya think??

You've got some explaining to do Mr. Draper. Why do you own a Volkswagen? Are you a Nazi?

Adolf Hitler and Volkswagen

Folks like Don Draper here are why we have a First Amendment in the first place.

It's all well and good to say things like "no free speech for Nazis!" but when one tries to actually implement it, that's when things get sticky. How "Nazi" does one have to be? I mean, it's not all goofy salutes, "Fuck the Jews!", and snazzy uniforms, there's actual politics to it, ideas, some of them are kinda good, and used elsewhere. What I'm saying is, what makes a Nazi a Nazi in the eyes of the law? Because, as already mentioned, we are a nation of laws, and if we decide that something is bad enough to ban, it needs to be codified. That bullshit of "I'll know it when I see it" doesn't does jive with our constitutional republic.

Here's Stefan Molyneau's take on the Charlottesville thing. I think he's spot on. It's nearly 30min long, but I don't regret spending the time watching it.



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/hjg3joKXfqc

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Originally posted by Jim Shugart:
Here's Stefan Molyneau's take on the Charlottesville thing. I think he's spot on. It's nearly 30min long, but I don't regret spending the time watching it.



Link to original video: https://youtu.be/hjg3joKXfqc

slightly more smarmy review of this fiasco, but along similar lines. another 30 minutes though. NSFW




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/jgccg9xurE8?t=2m48s

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When they decide that what YOU wear justifies stripping you of your rights as a citizen of this country you will go quietly?

I would 100% agree if we were dealing with a two way street here.

But is that what we're dealing with?

Do you think that any of these hard left groups would recognize a single right of yours were they in a position to deny them?

I'm not taking Don's stance on Nazis or whatever, just looking at the big picture. I believe a monster is growing because we are allowing it to grow. The monster has rights. What if that monster grows to the point that it can decide what are and are not rights?

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

I have no use for fascists of any stripe. You, sir, are a fascist.

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You, sir, are a fascist.

When everyone is calling everyone else a fascist.... perhaps we should think about what the term means. Substitute "national socialist" for both "nazi" and "fascist" and you see how ridiculous it is that everyone is calling everyone else a fascist.

Fascism is on the Left, not the Right.

Watch Dinesh D'Souza:

Don, your argument is teleological and obtuse. You need to challenge your premises, which include that
1. By someone else labeling a person with a hot button label that alienates their inalienable God given rights

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2. That any one person's opinion of to whom a label may apply is sufficient grounds to deprive another person of their rights.

Those are attitudes that are not consistent with the founding principles of this nation.

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Originally posted by ChuckFinley:
Don, your argument is teleological and obtuse. You need to challenge your premises, which include that
1. By someone else labeling a person with a hot button label that alienates their inalienable God given rights

and

2. That any one person's opinion of to whom a label may apply is sufficient grounds to deprive another person of their rights.

Those are attitudes that are not consistent with the founding principles of this nation.

He won't acknowledge how close his view of Nazi's actually align with Nazism. I think the word "hypocrisy" is missing from his dictionary.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Fascism is on the Left, not the Right.

Nice try, but no cigar.

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fascism
n. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
n. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
n. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

I don't see any mention there of "right" vs. "left."

Save the "nationalism" part, this defines leftism to a "T". But it applies as well to any equally repressive right-wing regime, such as the many that cropped up in South America. As for Nazism being equated to socialism: That's purile argument, based solely on the fact that the Nazi party was the "National Socialist" party. In practice and in fact there was little "socialist" about the Nazi party, other than possibly the Volkswagen.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
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The image of Lady Justice: She wields a sword and is balancing a scale while blindfolded. The sword is Justice itself and the scales represent impartiality in consideration of the evidence.

Why does she wear a blindfold? . . . . .
We are a nation of laws.

We defeated the Nazis in ww2. Many of them were hung from their necks after the war. I draw the line at Nazis Para, they have no place here. They deserve no rights.

Yes, many Nazis were hung after WWII - after a lengthy trial under the rule of law. And many were acquitted/exonerated.

And as others have suggested here, based on your views, all I would have to do is call you a Nazi, for any reason or no reason, and my violence against you would be justified. You may want to be careful, I live in the Bay Area CA, the labels of Nazi and Republican are often interchanged in my surroundings.

ensigmatic,
I don't really want to argue with you...
but would you agree that on the right we want individual liberty, ie. as little government as possible?
Does "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator" sound like individual liberty to you?

If the far left is complete and total government, everything in the state, nothing outside the state.... then the far right would be NO government, or anarchy.

Fascism has always been understood to be on the left, up until recent revisionism has attempted to confuse people into thinking fascism is on the right. On the right, we want freedom from too much government, not the "stringent socioeconomic controls" in your definition.

Did you watch the Dinesh D'Souza video above?

There's a thread on it here as well:
Your morning dose of enlightenment, courtesy of Dinesh D'Souza
https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...935/m/5470017824/p/2