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Originally posted by DonDraper:

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Originally posted by trapper189:

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Originally posted by rscalzo:
... From what I've seen, he didn't directly hit those people but struck another vehicle stooped by them or parked...

If this is what actually happened, it's a game changer.

Are you two in some kind of strange contest?? Perhaps you haven't watched any of the videos.

I've spent 15 minutes just now trying to find some videos and all I've found are still photos in videos of newscasts. I did say "if" because I haven't seen the videos.

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Originally posted by 10-7 leo:
Several points:

The other group, NOT HERS, had the permit to protest.

HER GROUP initiated the violence.

Prior to her being hit, the event, thanks to HER GROUP, devolved into an unlawful assembly, even though (to my knowledge) it wasn't declared as such.

HER GROUP was illegally blocking the road, as BLM and antifa have done, illegally, countless times.

She was not part of an angelic group that was exhibiting angelic behavior.

All the facts have not come out in this case. I'm sure there will be more that do not reflect kindly on HER GROUP.

I find it hard to have sympathy for people that create shit and expect everyone to bow down to their DEMANDS, only to have it bite them in the ass!

Don't start none, won't be none!

Sorry, but once you show up in my town or STREET wearing swastika's and giving the Nazi salute and or while shouting about white power - you better be on your way to a fucking comic-con convention, otherwise I'm going to walk out in the street and tell you to fuck off every which way I can, all day long. Permits? Fuck your permits. I don't know if this girl was simply crossing the road to get to work, or showed up in anger as a reaction to what she was seeing - but I'm sorry she died. I am not going to shed any tears, but I'm certainly not going to be a giant asshole and place any blame on her as many of you have done here.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
In his profile, his occupation is listed as "professor", and this post of his is the only one on the board.

Draw your own conclusions

I nuked him

Good! He (Bryan William Jones) is (now was) a troll alright. A Twat on Twitter – I just looked at some of his leftist Tweets. Via the web – I don't have a Twitter account.

Two hate groups got together resulting in the expected consequences.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:....Sorry, but once you show up in my town or STREET wearing swastika's and giving the Nazi salute and or while shouting about white power - you better be on your way to a fucking comic-con convention, otherwise I'm going to walk out in the street and tell you to fuck off every which way I can, all day long. Permits? Fuck your permits. I don't know if this girl was simply crossing the road to get to work, or showed up in anger as a reaction to what she was seeing - but I'm sorry she died. I am not going to shed any tears, but I'm certainly not going to be a giant asshole and place any blame on her as many of you have done here.

So in summary, you are saying a white supremacist group, probably with hate, comply with the law to get a permit for a rally. A variety of anti-white supremacist groups do not comply with the law, go to protest the lawful rally, bring baseball bats and torches, ie likely planning on/hoping for violence. Violence ensues, unknown just what triggered it, someone is killed, you don't care about the facts, you side with the anti's.

In short, your hate is righteous and justified, other's hate is evil and not to be tolerated.

Definitely fuck the Nazis and white (or any color) supremacists, permit or not. They are not our friends, in any way. They aren't victims. They are assholes. Legally empowered to speak, no doubt, but giant, terminal, assholes just the same. Worse than Westboro, even. And they're such assholes that every comment about this tragedy probably ought to start with: "Nazis and Racists are assholes who deserve no support or sympathy, ever, but we recognize they were and are allowed to be assholes and even had a permit for it..."



Seriously, everything about those assholes needs to fuck right off and stay that way. If someone was going to get run over, it's a crying damn shame it wasn't one of the Nazis.

Shit stains, all of them. Freedom dictates we must tolerate their nonsense, but only barely... by not curb stomping *them* for daring to step outside and talk that shit in public.

46&2,

That is exactly the sort of broad minded tolerance typical of the left. I feel so much safer knowing that you are out there ready to be the arbiter of whose views and speech should be just barely tolerated by (thankfully) refraining from curb stomping them for daring to step outside and talk...

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Originally posted by 46and2: They aren't victims. They are assholes.

I was in law enforcement long enough to recognize that victims can be assholes, but they're still victims and (like it or not) they still are constitutionally protected like any other person. I don't care how much we hate these people (and that applies equally with the Antifas, BLM agitators, etc...), they all have a right to peacefully protest, no matter what the cause, and NO ONE has the right to assault them.

As they say, "When a crime is committed in hell, don't bother looking for angels as witnesses." And yes, that applies to victims.

Yes, by all means, let's join with the Leftists and decide that the cause of all these problems these days are due to Neo-Nazis.

Do you know how very small a group that is? Neo-Nazis in the United States are responsible for like 0.0001% of the problems in society.

Don't get distracted because some whiny Leftist got run over. Wake up.

Neo-Nazis are inconsequential, unless you let the Leftist assholes set the narrative. If you let them set the narrative, we'll get nowhere near the truth.

I was in law enforcement, too and we were trained that when a fight among inmates began, we were required by law to put a stop to it.

Why those Police sat by when the shit hit the fan is crazy.

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Originally posted by DonDraper:
Sorry, but once you show up in my town or STREET wearing swastika's and giving the Nazi salute and or while shouting about white power - you better be on your way to a fucking comic-con convention, otherwise I'm going to walk out in the street and tell you to fuck off every which way I can, all day long. Permits? Fuck your permits. I don't know if this girl was simply crossing the road to get to work, or showed up in anger as a reaction to what she was seeing - but I'm sorry she died. I am not going to shed any tears, but I'm certainly not going to be a giant asshole and place any blame on her as many of you have done here.

What happens when Christians, or Jews, or guys named Don are looked at no differently than Nazi's? Is this how our republic dies, by giving up your rights in spite of the protections given to you without any protest? I am no fan of Nazi's, KKK, commies, the BLM, New Black Panthers, or any other hate espousing group, but there are reasons our Bill of Rights explicitly gives those groups a way to express themselves PEACEABLY (key word here).

Think of it this way, there are those that already view us as Nazi's, just because we are white. Hell, one could assume that because you own a Volkswagen, that you are in fact a closet Nazi. The left has a skewed way of making a narrative fit. That's exactly what happened in Charlottesville. The protest was regarding a statue. Some Nazi's showed up and suddenly every white person on the "wrong" side of the issue was branded a NAZI. You know, guilty through association and all that bullshit. What happened on the other side was "not protected" by our Constitution. The counter protesters were there to bait the "NAZI's" into a conflict, and they did...by hitting people with bats and sticks, throwing rocks, punching people, homemade flamethrowers, and various other tactics that have been used countless times by the left. All of it was orchestrated at the highest levels within Charlottesville and the state of Virginia.

As far as the girl is concerned: There was absolutely ZERO fucking chance she just happened to be walking across the street on her way to work, she was exactly where she wanted to be. Right in the middle of instigating and agitating an otherwise toothless old dog. She will be branded a martyr by those SJWs for years and years. All I saw was a dumbass too stupid to realize how easily she was manipulated into being exactly what she despised! The intolerant cannot go around preaching tolerance, especially with sticks and stones!

46&2, where have I heard that before??? That's right, CNN, MSM, CNBC, NPR, WAPO, Huffington Post.....Get the picture? In this case (and this case only) they were in fact targeted by violence which makes them a victim. Again, remember, this was a protest that was about a statue, not about Hitler or anything else to do with Nazism.

I hope that fella, Jason Kessler wins the lawsuit he filed. See page 8 by kimber1911.

So....it begins? I think I have one more rifle to clean.


Far-left agitators are calling for an escalation in tactics following this weekend’s violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville.

Many of the same groups that have organized violent demonstrations in Berkeley, California and elsewhere are now calling for an aggressive response to the violence in Charlottesville. Far-left “anti-fascist” (or antifa) figures are advising agitators to do the job that police won’t: shutting down “fascists” and prevent them from organizing.

Radical left-wingers have for months justified violence as a way to fight back against “fascism” and “racism” — terms that they have applied not just to white nationalist fringe groups but to prominent figures on the right as well.

“Charlottesville is just the beginning. If the alt-right can get away with murder there, none of us will be safe. We have to stand up to white supremacists, we have to shut down and chase out these bigots every time they try to organize, or else they will kill more people,” reads one poster created by anarchist group CrimethInc, a self-described “international network of aspiring revolutionaries.”

“The police will not protect us. They murder over a thousand people every year in this country, and infiltrate and attack our demonstrations when we stand up against alt-right terror. We have to organize to defend ourselves.”

Another anarchist group, the Revolutionary Abolition Movement, issued a statement after Charlottesville praising the far-left fighters who, along with violent white nationalists, turned Charlottesville into a literal political battlefield.

“Our fighters showed daring and a willingness to risk their own safety for the sake of others, and we hold them in the highest regard. Due to their fortitude and unwavering determination, the anti-fascists held their ground and succeeded in stopping the rally. Though we will never know exactly how many lives were saved by their actions, it is clear that without resistance to their fascist terror many more would have been harmed,” reads the statement.

“The American state is collapsing. As capitalism remains mired in crisis, its once solid position within the global order is crumbling. With ever widening cracks in the state’s foundations, those who reaped the benefits of white supremacist society and American imperialism are grasping at any last chance to maintain their position in the hierarchy it legitimates,” the statement continues.

One article by CrimethInc, prominently displayed on the front page of popular antifa website It’s Going Down, blames democracy and capitalism for the violence in Charlottesville. The article claims police are complicit in fascism and so “we must not look to the police or any other aspect of the state for deliverance.”

“It’s essential to build fighting formations capable of facing down far-right violence. Fascists love to portray themselves as victims in order to claim the right to do violence to others; their entire narrative is built around the contradiction that they are simultaneously master race and underdog, victorious and persecuted. They treat any resistance to their program as an affront to their dignity and a violation of their safe space. Nonetheless, we have to be able to stop them in their streets, because they are in the business of purveying revenge fantasies,” the article states.

“Any footage they can record of successful attacks, however cowardly, will help them recruit from their base of bullies and sadists. Because of this, it is preferable not to enter into conflict with them except when fully prepared — but at all costs, we must not let them attain control of the streets.”

Even before Charlottesville, left-wing group Refuse Fascism was planning a series of mass demonstrations on November 4 that they say must result in the end of Trump’s presidency. The group is holding several organizing conferences on August 19 to plan out the mass protests.

Refuse Fascism was one of the groups calling for rioters to shut down Milo Yiannopoulos’ speech at the University of Berkeley. The school cancelled Milo’s speech after black-clad agitators staged a violent riot and set fires on campus.

A flier advertising the organizing conferences states: “We will gather in the streets and public squares of cities and towns across this country, at first many thousands declaring that this whole regime is illegitimate and that we will not stop until our single demand is met: This Nightmare Must End: The Trump/Pence Regime Must Go!”

Antifa groups have previously labeled right-wing speech as violence — framing violence as “self-defense” against violent speech — but this weekend’s literal violence has given them an opportunity to rally their forces to take on right-wingers and society as a whole.

Radical left-wingers have repeatedly turned violent against conservatives and right-wingers.

Pro-Trump commentator Milo Yiannopoulos had his speech at the University of California-Berkeley canceled after rioters set the campus ablaze in order to keep him from speaking.

Those same activists were able to shut down pro-Trump commentator Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech just by promising a repeat performance of the Milo riots.

A month before the election, someone firebombed a North Carolina GOP office. A building adjacent to the office was spray painted with a warning: “Nazi Republicans get out of town or else.”

A popular parade in Portland, Oregon was canceled in April after threats of violence were made against a local Republican organization taking part.

An email warned parade organizers that 200 or more protesters would rush into the parade and drag the Republicans out, if that’s what it took to keep them from participating.

“You have seen how much power we have downtown and that the police cannot stop us from shutting down roads so please consider your decision wisely,” the email stated. Portland has been a site for organized left-wing protests, which have often turned into violent riots.

The threatening email was sent from an account registered with RiseUp.Net, an organization that is open about “providing communication and computer resources to allies engaged in struggles against capitalism and other forms of oppression.”

One of Virginia Rep. Tom Garrett’s town halls in May featured a heavy police presence after Garrett and his family were targeted by repeated death threats. “This is how we’re going to kill your wife,” read one such message, Garrett told Politico. He added: “I don’t want to die anytime soon. I got stuff left to do, I hope. But when you pull wives and children in, that’s not cool.”

In one of the most prominent instances of anti-Republican violence, left-wing Bernie Sanders supporter James T. Hodgkinson opened fire in June on Republican congressmen in Alexandria, Virginia as they practiced for a charity baseball game. Hodgkinson, who volunteered on Sanders’ campaign, wounded several victims including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.


http://dailycaller.com/2017/08...-to-charlottesville/

Until the government recognizes civil rights as a two way street it's going to get worse. Same thing with racial hate crimes. So the justice dept. is going to open a civil rights investigation, and congress wants to hold hearings...I bet those investigations and hearings aren't going to be looking into how antifa violated the rights of the original protesters who were there leagally.

Look, I detest and seek to distance myself from the Nazis and their friends because I hold a long felt and carefully cultivated disgust for mouth breathing racists and assholes, not because CNN or anyone else told me to (I've read none of those sources at those places, either, fwiw), and not because I have some kooky white guilt, or anything of the like. I simply hate to see such fucksticks garner any support - however indirectly or otherwise. The only thing they get from me is the lack of a teeth kicking due to that constitutional protection we all benefit from. Beyond that, which I recognize, the rest is well deserved.

That's it.

I said my piece. No need to let it derail us further if that's the case. I'll leave it be.

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Originally posted by GWbiker:
I was in law enforcement, too and we were trained that when a fight among inmates began, we were required by law to put a stop to it.

Why those Police sat by when the shit hit the fan is crazy.

I was a cop too...and you know damn well who and where the order to back down came from....

at my old dept it started with all the limp wristed, lefty staff members who were in charge due to (insert whatever here -just not due to qualifications) and the rest of the city managers/council members....each and every one was a lefty dem... (during the election my county was identifiable by the very dark blue just a few east of raleigh)...ughhh

This is VERY similar to the methods used by the early Nazi party in Germany against the communists.

Don't be surprised at how much the left will escalate this.



First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller


"The smallest minority on earth is the individual.
Those who deny individual rights cannot
claim to be defenders of minorities."
- Ayn Rand

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Don't be surprised at how much the left will escalate this.

Absolutely.

They've got the ball rolling now.

The biggest mistake is to play their game of upping the ante of violence. This is their game.

Let all the rallies be presidential. With security everywhere. Let the police-- and secret service-- crack their heads.

Donal Trump is in the Oval Office. Push forward on tax reform. Grow the economy. Get the illegal alien criminals out asap. And so on. THIS is what the leftists hate, can't abide. It's the crucifix held up to the vampire.

^ ^ ^ I agree completely.



They thought they had it in the bag, but The Donald is now in the oval office and doing is his thing; and a pretty damned good job of it IMHO. Support him!

The left hasn't and will miss no opportunity to diss him.

If he eliminated heart disease, they would accuse him of making cancer the major cause of death.

If he eliminated death, they would accuse him of causing overpopulation.

Statue of Confederate soldier pulled down in Durham, NC

http://wncn.com/2017/08/14/pro...m-county-courthouse/