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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
Fox News has some video of an anti-abortion protest at a NYC church.

These were pro-abortionists.

It appears like the Left's religion is abortion.

Ancient people once worshipped the God of Moloch and sacrificed their children to it.

Nothing new under the Sun.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
It appears like the Left's religion is abortion.

Ancient people once worshipped the God of Moloch and sacrificed their children to it.

Nothing new under the Sun.

Rush Limbaugh said evolution was the leftist's holy text and abortion was his communion.

But, yes, molech is alive and well, and still compells the wicked to murder children. This is very much a MAJOR spiritual fight; hence all the leftists losing their minds over it.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
Fox News has some video of an anti-abortion protest at a NYC church.

These were pro-abortionists.

Oh, yeah. I don't know why I typed anti.

I have a question: If SCOTUS officially reverts back to the states to decide the abortion issue. How then can Congress codify Roe v Wade? Wouldn't that law be challenged on the grounds that it's the states' decision? Or would it be shoe horned under the Commerce Clause?

I'm asking because rabid leftists claim this is but one step towards outlawing abortion at the federal level. (I know this is impossible but there's no reasoning with rabid leftists.

I say even if Congress passes a law to outlaw abortion, it will be challenged in SCOTUS on the same way as Roe v Wade is deemed outside of the Constitution.

^^^^ Well, one could actually argue that under the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law, abortion should appropriately be outlawed at the federal level. Just saying, you know?

Justice Samuel Alito has reportedly been moved to an undisclosed location for safety, after leftwing radicals attempting to intimidate conservative justices for considering overruling Roe v. Wade, all in the name of Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, listed conservative justices’ home addresses online.

They are also reportedly targeting Chief Justice John Roberts

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...ndisclosed-location/

and targeting Justice Kavanaugh


adding:

https://www.breitbart.com/podc...ourt-justices-homes/

videos at link

"The protesters also made a stop at Justice Brett Kavanaugh’s home, which was reportedly orchestrated by one of Kavanaugh’s neighbors."

The pro-abortion radicals reportedly chanted, “No uterus, no opinion,” outside Kavanaugh’s home.

Hey ! The Justices may be able to define what "woman" means now

White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said that peaceful protests are “not extreme” and “there’s a long history in the United States” of protests.

Psaki reportedly said she does not “have an official U.S. government position on where people protest.”

“ We obviously want people’s privacy to be respected . We want people to protest peacefully if they want to protest. That is certainly what the president’s view would be,” Psaki said.

"obviously" ???

And Psaki and the White House refuse to condemn any of it.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I have a question: If SCOTUS officially reverts back to the states to decide the abortion issue. How then can Congress codify Roe v Wade?

Create bill. Pass it. President signs it.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Wouldn't that law be challenged on the grounds that it's the states' decision? Or would it be shoe horned under the Commerce Clause?

Welll... Trying to get abortion rights imposed upon the states that way might prove a tough slog. There is no actual interstate commerce going on, per se. Not even a vestige of it, that I can see.

I think what's more interesting, here, is they don't even appear to be trying it. I think that speaks volumes.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I say even if Congress passes a law to outlaw abortion, it will be challenged in SCOTUS on the same way as Roe v Wade is deemed outside of the Constitution.

That's not quite what's happening here, nor would the two be equivalent.

What's happening here is a potential challenge to a prior SCOTUS decision on the basis that its reasoning was flawed. What would happen in the latter case would be a challenge based on lack of Constitutional authority. Same result. Different arguments/reasoning/principles.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
^^^^ Well, one could actually argue that under the 14th amendment and equal protection under the law, abortion should appropriately be outlawed at the federal level.

One can argue whatever one wishes to argue. Doesn't automatically make it valid.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
And Psaki and the White House refuse to condemn any of it.

Condemn, schmondemn. "Our" illustrious AG, who should be all over this like a bad suit, instead has his panties all in a twist over so-called "ghost guns"

https://www.foxnews.com/politi...bortion-opinion-leak

Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito has canceled an appearance at the 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals' judicial conference following the abortion draft opinion leak, according to Reuters.

Alito was scheduled to attend the conference starting on Thursday, along with New Orleans-based federal appeal judges and district court judges from Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters. Alito is currently the justice assigned to hear emergency appeals for the 5th Circuit.

Spokesperson Patricia McCabe did not specify why the justice had canceled.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/maj...n-roe-remains-intact

Supreme Court's majority vote to overturn Roe remains intact: Report

The five-vote majority needed in the Supreme Court to overturn Roe v. Wade and Planned Parenthood v. Casey remains intact months after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito's leaked draft majority opinion was written, according to a report.

The leaked draft majority opinion penned by Alito is dated February 10 and has almost certainly changed multiple times in the almost three months since it was written, but three conservative sources close to the Court say that the votes supporting the decision remain unchanged, according to reporting from the Washington Post.

The justices set to join Alito's opinion include Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney Barrett.

Chief Justice John Roberts, who has at times sided with the liberal wing of the court, still appears set to oppose the decision, with the report noting that Roberts was still attempting to persuade Coney Barrett and Kavanaugh to take a more incremental approach to allowing abortion restrictions.

The leaking of the draft opinion stunned many observers of the court, who noted that the draft does not reflect the final decision of the justices and their votes could change between when the draft was written and when the decision is officially announced.

The people who support abortion are happy about the leak, but if you think about it, the leak damaged their cause. If the justices caved now, it would embolden these protests against any controversial decision. The justices have to stay the course, or it will look like they can be harassed into altering their positions.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
I have a question: If SCOTUS officially reverts back to the states to decide the abortion issue. How then can Congress codify Roe v Wade?

Create bill. Pass it. President signs it.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
Wouldn't that law be challenged on the grounds that it's the states' decision? Or would it be shoe horned under the Commerce Clause?

Welll... Trying to get abortion rights imposed upon the states that way might prove a tough slog. There is no actual interstate commerce going on, per se. Not even a vestige of it, that I can see.

I think what's more interesting, here, is they don't even appear to be trying it. I think that speaks volumes.

I think my follow-up question "Wouldn't that law be challenged..." indicates that I understand they "create bill. pass it. president signs it."

They've stretched the Commerce clause just about to cover anything they wish to legislate.

That they don't appear to be trying it only speaks volumes that the Senate won't remove the filibuster.

WISCONSIN FAMILY ACTION RESPONDS TO ATTACK ON ITS OFFICE

https://wifamilyaction.org/wis...ttack-on-its-office/

MADISON, WI –Early this morning a leftist anarchist group attacked Wisconsin Family Action’s office in Madison, throwing two Molotov cocktails into the office, after breaking windows, and then proceeded to light a fire. The arsonists posted graffiti on the outside of the building near the group’s offices. The message was, “If abortions aren’t safe, then you aren’t either.” Anarchy 1312 took responsibility for the attack, leaving its logo on an outside wall.

Julaine Appling, president of Wisconsin Family Action, issued the following statement:

“While this attack was directly provoked by the leaked draft opinion from the US Supreme Court in the Dobbs case earlier this week, this has far broader implication. Apparently, the tolerance that the left demands is truly a one-way street. Violence has become their answer to everything. This is what happens when leadership is missing or when leadership implies that violence is ok. In 2020, Governor Tony Evers basically looked the other way when violence erupted in Kenosha and Madison. That kind of non-response fosters what happened to us this morning, leaving Wisconsin citizens who disagree with his policies extremely vulnerable to similar violence.

In fact, Governor Evers’s response to today’s incident said nothing about demanding a full investigation and criminal prosecution. He just told his supporters he’d keep supporting abortion.

“But this attack fails to frighten us, and instead steels the resolve of law-abiding, common-sense, every-day folks to stand up and push back. We know today it is Wisconsin Family Action getting Molotov cocktails tossed through broken windows and fires ignited, but tomorrow it could be anyone in our state or another state who is attacked because we disagree with a policy or action, give voice to the voiceless, or stand up for what’s right.

“Americans see through the hypocrisy of the left. The violence needs to stop and stop now. It’s not the answer to any question or any problem. Just because the liberals don’t get their way, doesn’t give them license to threaten bodily harm or to burn and destroy.”

“Wisconsin has had enough of this kind of terror condoned by current state and national leaders. But we are still standing. We still support freedom. We love our republic and care for our neighbors. We will repair our offices, remain on the job, and build an even stronger grassroots effort. We will not back down. We will not stop doing what we are doing. Too much is at stake.”

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The people who support abortion are happy about the leak, but if you think about it, the leak damaged their cause. If the justices caved now, it would embolden these protests against any controversial decision. The justices have to stay the course, or it will look like they can be harassed into altering their positions.

One interesting twist is that according to the info that was leaked to Politico, 5 of the conservative justices were known to have voted in favor of overturning Roe. Roberts' position was unknown. If he was in the minority (i.e. a 5-4 decision), there is a decent chance that these protests could cause him to join the majority to create a 6-3 decision in order to show unity and avoid the doubts that 5-4 decisions create. He is particularly interested in the reputation of the Court, so such a move to strengthen the majority would definitely be in his playbook. Of course, he might have been in the majority the whole time. We may never know.

Ahole Roberts still working to try to have Kavanaugh and Barrett change their minds. What a shock. NOT! Working on the 2 most junior justices, knowing he only needs to be 50% to win.

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Originally posted by ChicagoSigMan:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The people who support abortion are happy about the leak, but if you think about it, the leak damaged their cause. If the justices caved now, it would embolden these protests against any controversial decision. The justices have to stay the course, or it will look like they can be harassed into altering their positions.

One interesting twist is that according to the info that was leaked to Politico, 5 of the conservative justices were known to have voted in favor of overturning Roe. Roberts' position was unknown. If he was in the minority (i.e. a 5-4 decision), there is a decent chance that these protests could cause him to join the majority to create a 6-3 decision in order to show unity and avoid the doubts that 5-4 decisions create. He is particularly interested in the reputation of the Court, so such a move to strengthen the majority would definitely be in his playbook. Of course, he might have been in the majority the whole time. We may never know.

Nah, I think Roberts is toast no matter what he does at this point. In the story posted above, Roberts is noted as standing in opposition to the majority opinion and trying to pull other justices over with him. If he's unsuccessful in changing these justices opinions and he votes with the minority, he looks weak and flaccid and unable to control his court. If he changes his vote and votes with the majority, he looks weak and can be swayed by peer/public opinion. This is what Roberts gets for being a total coward and refusing to stand for anything. He laid the ground work with BarryCare, and with this decision he's likely to guarantee his legacy as a complete failure as chief justice.

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Originally posted by Ironbutt:
Fox News has some video of an anti-abortion protest at a NYC church. If these idiots think they're going to win over anyone who's still undecided with this crap, I think they're mistaken.

I only watched a couple minutes of it, but this is some sick s--t!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc...-abortion-protesters

They are no longer trying to win anyone over, they like Anti-fascist Fascists and BLM are now threatening people so they sit down and shut up.

The Wisconsin pro-life charity had "If women are not safe neither will you be" (paraphrasing)

It is no longer about changing minds but destroying their enemies will to fight back.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
The people who support abortion are happy about the leak, but if you think about it, the leak damaged their cause. If the justices caved now, it would embolden these protests against any controversial decision. The justices have to stay the course, or it will look like they can be harassed into altering their positions.

Very good point, this mess will be one of the most important opinions in our time not just for the win for states rights but as you mentioned. If they back down and change the opinion the supreme court loses it's credibility.

The justices are smart people one hopes this makes them stand firm.

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That is certainly what the president’s view would be,” Psaki said.

If he were capable of speaking in complete sentences?
If he were capable of speaking for himself?
If we were to wake him from his nap?
If he only had a brain?