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That is certainly what the president’s view would be,” Psaki said.

If he were capable of speaking in complete sentences?
If he were capable of speaking for himself?
If we were to wake him from his nap?
If he only had a brain?
 
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Very good point, this mess will be one of the most important opinions in our time not just for the win for states rights but as you mentioned. If they back down and change the opinion the supreme court loses it's credibility.

The justices are smart people one hopes this makes them stand firm.

The Dred Scott decision said that a slave was not freed when entering a free state, nor could he be. Couple that with the 1850 Fugitive Slave Act, and what that meant was that slaves, as slaves, could be brought to every state of the Union, without an alteration of status. Effectively, the Supreme Court had forced the institution of slavery upon the North.

Roe v. Wade was a disaster in 1973. It forced all states to be Abortion States, just as the Dred Scott decision forced all states to be Slave States. A proposed national Abortion Rights law by the Democrats would be just as devastating.



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Y'know, it's just possible Roberts made the decision he made simply because he believed it was the correct decision. Not "because of the mob." Not "because of politics." Not "because somebody's got something on him" or "because somebody got to him." Just because he thought that was the correct decision.

Maybe, just maybe, Roberts simply isn't the judge GWB thought he was? (Wouldn't be the first time that's happened.) Or maybe he is and what the Court got was what GWB wanted the Court to get?

Why must so many people believe the absolute worst of anybody with whom they disagree?

I sit here, more-or-less in the middle (well, much more right than left, these days, because the left has moved so far left) and see both sides doing the same things. The other side is completely out to lunch. Their motives and motivations entirely suspect, if not downright evil. Everybody on the other side is out to destroy the American Way Of Life.

I'm reminded of Justices Scalia and Ginsberg. Polar opposites on the Bench, but respected one another and got along with one another famously.

I wish more people were like them Frown


That's no fun. I think space aliens put a probe in Roberts' butt and now control him remotely from Planet Xithrax 7 in the Strolab Quadrant.

That or he is trying to destroy the county.




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I don't think Roberts really thought the Obamacare mandate was really a tax. I think his intent was to put the pile of shit that is the ACA back to Congress and saying "you fix it".

In some ways I agree with the point that it is not the job of the Supreme Court to clean up bad legislation.

R v. W was a bad decision based on very strained legal reasoning. The Court may very well tell Congress "it's up to you to legislate the legality of abortion, not us, do your job and stop asking us to do it for you." Or they may let it stand. We won't know until the decision is announced.

Could he have done this in a better way with Obamacare? Sure he could have struck down the mandate and fine and left the rest of it in place. Then it would be up to Congress to figure out how to fund it. The constitutional question was the mandate, and the use of a fine to enforce it.

I don't think he bends to activist pressure. I think he thinks too much about his legacy and the image of the court.



I think this is a fair assessment.




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Ahole Roberts still working to try to have Kavanaugh and Barrett change their minds. What a shock. NOT! Working on the 2 most junior justices, knowing he only needs to be 50% to win. Roll Eyes


He doesn't have any real power to wield over them or any justice. Maybe he can give them a worse parking spot. But they are appointed for life, same as him.

You have to remember that the whole Article 3 federal judiciary is essentially untouchable. The Cheif Justice of the Supremes can't make the most junior District Court judge rule in any particular way except by overulling her. Impeachment is the only real power over them.

Roberts will have to persuade. He can't force. And these are two people who probably think they are the smartest people in the room. They all think that.




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One interesting twist is that according to the info that was leaked to Politico, 5 of the conservative justices were known to have voted in favor of overturning Roe. Roberts' position was unknown. If he was in the minority (i.e. a 5-4 decision), there is a decent chance that these protests could cause him to join the majority to create a 6-3 decision in order to show unity and avoid the doubts that 5-4 decisions create. He is particularly interested in the reputation of the Court, so such a move to strengthen the majority would definitely be in his playbook. Of course, he might have been in the majority the whole time. We may never know.


I don't know whether this is allowed but I'm sure the Supreme Court could do this to send a message that they are not to be fucked with as an institution: Have the Justices vote 8 - 1, even though 3 of them don't agree with the decision and have the 1 write the dissenting opinion.



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One interesting twist is that according to the info that was leaked to Politico, 5 of the conservative justices were known to have voted in favor of overturning Roe. Roberts' position was unknown. If he was in the minority (i.e. a 5-4 decision), there is a decent chance that these protests could cause him to join the majority to create a 6-3 decision in order to show unity and avoid the doubts that 5-4 decisions create. He is particularly interested in the reputation of the Court, so such a move to strengthen the majority would definitely be in his playbook. Of course, he might have been in the majority the whole time. We may never know.


I don't know whether this is allowed but I'm sure the Supreme Court could do this to send a message that they are not to be fucked with as an institution: Have the Justices vote 8 - 1, even though 3 of them don't agree with the decision and have the 1 write the dissenting opinion.


I suppose it would be allowed, but it would never happen. Never. Ever. They will vote how they like, not to make a point.




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A proposed national Abortion Rights law by the Democrats would be just as devastating.


And it would go all the way to the Supreme Court where it would be found not to be within the purview of the Feds, same as right now.
 
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A proposed national Abortion Rights law by the Democrats would be just as devastating.
Assuming: 1. They could actually get it passed and 2. It survived the inevitable Court challenges, neither of which are assured.




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They will vote how they like, not to make a point.
Kinda, but not really. Looking at voting records, 'no' case attacking a liberal supported issue or position will ever receive even tacit consideration by Sotomayor or Breyer (Ginsberg also followed this practice). They vote to protect the power of the state every time regardless the merits or basis of the particular case. Kagan simply asks Sotomayor how she'll be voting and votes the same way. The woman is an embarrassment. And from all indications, Katanji will likely do the exact same thing when she blesses us with her monster judicial prowess. Roll Eyes Then Roberts laments his reputation as chief justice and that of the court and does everything he can to run away from anything that might be hugely controversial regardless the legal aspects of a case (Ex. BarryCare and the mandate). So yeah, they absolutely 'can' vote anyway they want, but its a virtual given how many will vote if its a case attacking a liberal supported position or issue....or if the case might impact Roberts position on the Washington cocktail circuit.


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Roe v. Wade was a disaster in 1973. It forced all states to be Abortion States, just as the Dred Scott decision forced all states to be Slave States. A proposed national Abortion Rights law by the Democrats would be just as devastating.
Effectively, the Supreme Court had forced the institution of slavery upon the North.

The point I'm trying to make is that for the last 50 years the Supreme Court has forced the institution of 'abortion rights' on the more conservative States. I think they probably thought that the issue would just be solved by making it legal everywhere. Clearly, it did not 'solve' the issue by taking it away from the States and the people to decide.

The Supreme Court attempted a similar thing in the Dred Scott decision. They effectively forced the institution of slavery upon the North by saying a slave was still a slave, no matter what people in some of the States thought.

Difficult political decisions are probably best left to the States because the mores of one locality may be different than another.



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They will vote how they like, not to make a point.
Kinda, but not really. Looking at voting records, 'no' case attacking a liberal supported issue or position will ever receive even tacit consideration by Sotomayor or Breyer (Ginsberg also followed this practice). They vote to protect the power of the state every time regardless the merits or basis of the particular case. Kagan simply asks Sotomayor how she'll be voting and votes the same way. The woman is an embarrassment. And from all indications, Katanji will likely do the exact same thing when she blesses us with her monster judicial prowess. Roll Eyes Then Roberts laments his reputation as chief justice and that of the court and does everything he can to run away from anything that might be hugely controversial regardless the legal aspects of a case (Ex. BarryCare and the mandate). So yeah, they absolutely 'can' vote anyway they want, but its a virtual given how many will vote if its a case attacking a liberal supported position or issue....or if the case might impact Roberts position on the Washington cocktail circuit.


They vote that way because that is what they believe. That is their view of the law and the world. It isn't a conspiracy. They vote consistently because that is their world-view.

Do you think Alito and Thomas vote they way they do because they are beholden to the Federalist Society? They vote that way because they are very conservative originalists.

The lefties are the same. That is what they actually believe.




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Difficult political decisions are probably best left to the States because the mores of one locality may be different than another.


And left to the legislatures (federal or state, as is appropriate) in general. Courts shouldn't be deciding these big, social, country-defining, essentially political issues UNLESS the Constitution clearly demands it.




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another article about Elizabeth Deutsch

all based on the work of Will Chamberlain

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New York Times’ Drops ‘Fetus’ As Wordle Solution

The New York Times has removed the word “fetus” from Monday’s Wordle answers in a bid to keep the popular online game “distinct from the news” after last week’s leaked Roe v. Wade supreme court draft ruling, ultimately causing confusion as it was only implemented for some of the game’s players. What do you think?


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Check out 18 U.S.C. § 1507
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Whoever, with the intent of interfering with, obstructing, or impeding the administration of justice, or with the intent of influencing any judge, juror, witness, or court officer, in the discharge of his duty, pickets or parades in or near a building housing a court of the United States, or in or near a building or residence occupied or used by such judge, juror, witness, or court officer, or with such intent uses any sound-truck or similar device or resorts to any other demonstration in or near any such building or residence, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.


Those protesters are violating the law. Unfortunatly, the current DOJ will probably not put them in jail.

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It’s a violation of Virginia state law too. But I don’t see any state troopers locking up protesters in VA streets in front of the judges. Their governor obviously doesn’t care.



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You gotta admit, on one level this is comical in the extreme. SCOTUS has not rendered a final opinion on this case yet. No one knows for sure what will eventually come out of the high court, yet all these sub-zero IQ retards have gone completely mad. Simply mind boggling and disgusting.


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It’s a violation of Virginia state law too. But I don’t see any state troopers locking up protesters in VA streets in front of the judges. Their governor obviously doesn’t care.


Not sure that the Governor is the issue. Gary Settle (VSP Superintendent) is a piece of shit and he's not gonna do anything that makes waves for anyone left leaning, regardless of what the Governor says.


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