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Right. So at the moment there are two players. One's a Republican, and the other is a Democrat. If we're playing a team sport, why isn't the Republican team choosing the only Republican option to win? At this point there are three options: Republicans win, Democrats win, or continued chaos. If other Republicans are choosing either of the last two options, that's a real problem. | |||
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Political Cynic |
The republicrats have again shown their uncanny ability to create a circular firing squad and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The entire bunch of them are worthless and the only upside to them fucking up this wet dream of getting a competent speaker is the fact that they’re not stealing any more money out of your wallet. | |||
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Drill Here, Drill Now |
All the campaigning for voters to give the Republicans the House and Senate to be a bulwark against Biden's disastrous presidency. However, the throttlebottoms can't even elect one of their own let alone counter the Biden Admin and the Deep State. Ego is the anesthesia that deadens the pain of stupidity DISCLAIMER: These are the author's own personal views and do not represent the views of the author's employer. | |||
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Transplanted Hillbilly |
How about this idiot from my state: "Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Kelly voted for former Speaker of the House John Boehner." 22 Republicans that voted against Jordan | |||
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Governing is a team sport. Right. So at the moment there are two players. One's a Republican, and the other is a Democrat. If we're playing a team sport, why isn't the Republican team choosing the only Republican option to win? Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan and their tiny band of malcontents (4% of the Republican house members) went against the wishes of 96% of Republican House members and sided with the Democrats to depose McCarthy. The anger at this did run deep. Jordan supporters sure didn't help by sending threatening texts to members wives. That was a dumb thing to do. Did they think that a combat veteran was going to cave under this pressure? As I heard one Congressman say, McCarthy voting for Jordan (despite good reason not to) shows that he has always been a team player and has more class than any of these guys. So whats the alternative now? I heard this morning that the plan is to pass legislation empowering the current temporary speaker with full powers of the speaker so we can move forward. | |||
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 Hedley Lamarr: Wait, wait, wait. I'm unarmed. Bart: Alright, we'll settle this like men, with our fists. Hedley Lamarr: Sorry, I just remembered . . . I am armed. | |||
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It's clear you have your panties in a twist over how it played out, but THOSE WERE THE RULES OF THE GAME agreed to by McCarthy. You can't fault players for an outcome you don't like when they are playing by the rules.
BS.
At the moment, the options seem to be Jordan or Jeffries. If you're not choosing one, you're choosing the other. It really is that simple.
Bypassing the system in place seems like a bad idea. Also sounds like "siding with the Democrats" to me. Thought you had a problem with that? | |||
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The Republican caucus should lock themselves in a room, without the Democrats, and yell and scream at one another (an airing of grievances), and not open the doors until they have at least 217 people willing to vote for someone. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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https://twitter.com/CitizenFre.../1714997890844676214 _________________________ "Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." Mark Twain | |||
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Yes I can. Because those were the rules doesn't mean it was a good idea. It was a bad idea. Look at the outcome. And Jordan's pals harassing members wives was an especially bad idea. Dumb. What did they think was going to happen? I trust you won't defend that as a good idea. Sided with the Democrats to depose McCarthy BS. BS is an opinion. My opinion differs. The fact remains that Matt Gaetz, Jordan et al did side with the Democrats. I am sure you feel that was not their intent. But at the end of the day, that's what happened. Bypassing the system in place seems like a bad idea. Also sounds like "siding with the Democrats" to me. Thought you had a problem with that? Well as you said earlier, those are the rules of the game. Republicans can make this change under the rules of the House. The proposal is a Republican idea and provides a way out of this mess created by Matt Gaetz and his pals. I'll end on a positive note. I am sure we both agree that going forward we need a lot of Republican victories. It's essential. We are going to need moderates and others to accomplish this. I am against anything that damages the Republican brand among the electorate as a whole, not just among Republican primary voters. | |||
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Told cops where to go for over 29 years… |
I am certainly not a poli-sci or compstitutional scholar, but seems to me this could very easily be settled. Let the majority party, and majority party only determine who gets the speakership. Problem solved. A minority of the majority can’t wreak havoc, the minority doesn’t get to torpedo the majority, and we all know that there is never going to be “bi-partisan” support for the House speaker. Has ANY house speaker ever been elected who received minority party votes? Continuing to do the same thing and expecting different results isn’t working. Time to change the process. What part of "...Shall not be infringed" don't you understand???  | |||
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| Political Cynic |
we need ALL new politicians, and we need fewer of them 50 would be a good number they say they get elected by representing their public that voted for them utter bullshit they get voted and then they're in it for themselves - the public becomes an annoyance and a hindrance get rid of them ALL, get rid of their staff and get rid of the lobbyists - in some respects, 99% of all our problems we have would be eliminated if we got rid of the politicians - they create the problem and then tell us they can fix it | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money |
Jordan Nixes 3rd Speaker Vote, Will Support McHenry As Interim Until January After suffering defeat twice, Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH) will not hold a third vote for speaker, and will instead back Patrick McHenry (R-NC) as interim speaker until January. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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So with McCarthy we didn't get a functioning border, we didn't get energy independence, and we didn't get any kind if fiscal responsibility, and most importantly: We didn't get any kind of unity in messaging or vision for direction. Everyone of these jackholes in DC keeps spouting about "getting back to the work of the people", which they haven't done in decades, and I even heard a fairly "conservative" dickhead spew this on the radio just this morning. Bullshit. You assholes always pull this crap. The very fact that there's even R holdouts is dumb as shit. Everyone knows it, and they know it. They don't care about anything or anyone. There isn't a single person in any of their states that's going to benefit from their shitty antics. Where was McCarthy's budget? Where? Where are the coast-to-coast live feeds from the border? Democrats can have their asses handed to them, but Republicans never EVER do it. Not about the border, not about the budget, not about energy, nothing. They don't go on a nation-wide messaging campaign. They don't meet the people where they're at, on YouTube or places like Joe Rogan. They go to DC and act like they're going to change things and then get caught holding their dicks or literally being felt up in a movie theater. Fuck all those guys, fuck the GOP, and fuck McCarthy. I'm glad Gaetz and others trying something different, and I don't give a shit if it looks messy. The best thing about a democratic republic is that its functionality, as it relates to liberty, often comes from its dysfunction. When Washington DC is aligned in unity of purpose, terrible things happen. Sometimes in a good way or for good reason, but more often than not they happen at the expense of the humans trying to scratch out a living in a free land. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Well it would be super cool if we could repeal the 17th Amendment, even if to simply see whether or not it would make things better. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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Irksome Whirling Dervish |
That's all nice and admirable, but the only function the House has, relative to the things you talked about, is write checks. They can say they're going to write a check for border but unless the Senate agrees, it's just getting dressed up to rub one out. And if the Senate agrees, the WH may not. If you have a competing bill in the Senate and the House version is different, then there's the process of a Conference Committee to figure it out. For now, unless the Republicans are going to pass clickbait bills that don't stand a chance in the Senate but are only passed to make the base happy, nothing will get done. Until the Republicans hold the Senate and WH, everything has to be compromise. If that were to happen, I still have no faith their nutsacks will descend to get shit done. Republicans are incapable of leading. Just aren't. | |||
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Huh. The budget seems pretty important to me, but... yeah okay just a check. If only all the bills were supposed to originate in one of the halls of congress and not the White House. They should have set it up that way. “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false-face for the urge to rule it.”—H.L. Mencken | |||
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| Irksome Whirling Dervish |
Two different things. Either the House or Senate can introduce bills, even ones that call for spending money but the Senate can ask all day long for money. They don't have access to the checkbook. They can pass bills with allocations but unless the House votes to give the money, it's DOA. All check writing comes solely from the House. It's why Pelosi said she'd only give Trump a $1 for the border and there wasn't much Trump could do about it. The budget is important but the House can't do squat other than say no to something. Saying no all the time isn't a resolution. There has to be compromise to elect a leader and to pass bills that aren't DOA upon arrival in the Senate. That includes the budget that has to be addressed in some way before Thanksgiving either with a budget that will pass in the Senate or another CR or a shutdown. No one will vote for shutdown right before Thanksgiving so that means a C&R or a budget that can pass in the Senate. That's 30 days from now and since we don't have a Speaker, we can't pass a budget bill and that almost guarantees another CR. | |||
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Shall Not Be Infringed |
The 'Rules Of The Game' so to speak, had actually been in place since 1837...It was Nancy Pelosi that 'changed' the rules! The threshold for bringing a motion to vacate was a single member until 2019, when Democrats won the majority. Up until that point, the motion to vacate was considered a privileged motion, which any one member could bring to the House floor. Then, a majority of either party had to agree to it. Two Republican speakers had been threatened with and ultimately left office over the threat of such motion. Democrat Speaker Nancy Pelosi pushed a rule change when she became the Speaker that required a majority of the conference to support a motion to vacate. Prior to that change, the rule permitting one person to bring an Motion to Vacate the Chair existed w/o incident. The 'rule change' that was put in place by Republicans as a condition of support for McCarthy back in January only returned the rules to what had previously been in place for 182 Years! Of course, Leftist Media sources NEVER provide the 'real story', OR the truth! They're just mouthpieces spreading the preferred narrative for the Leftists in charge anyway! ____________________________________________________________ If Some is Good, and More is Better.....then Too Much, is Just Enough !! Trump 2024....Make America Great Again! "May Almighty God bless the United States of America" - parabellum 7/26/20 Live Free or Die! | |||
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