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Originally posted by slosig:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
Nope.
You say you do not believe that this vaccine should be mandated by the government.
That is what is happening. Government, through force or coercion, is using the power of government to mandate this vaccine.

The notice of this requirement may be coming to you through your employer, but make no mistake: your employer is only the messenger. The mandates are forced or coerced through the power of government.

Is there actually a real government mandate now, or is it still just that lying urine-soaked relic’s (USR) press release? My understanding was that the USR made the announcement but not the mandate so there was nothing that could be legally contested. Businesses that were inclined to mandate could do so and blame the “government mandate” for forcing them to do it, but there really was no mandate. Has that changed?

Any business that has dealings with the federal government… And that’s all of them - are going to follow orders, and stick it to their employees.

That’s why this requires actual courage from those who love liberty.

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
These people should think about what happened to the Air Traffic Controllers when Reagan was president. They all got fired and replaced and that can happen here also.

A whole lot of pilots have a side gig. There are other flying jobs besides the airlines (typically at much smaller companies). Is there a cost to walking away from an airline career? Sure. Have people done it in the past for lesser reasons? Absolutely.

My opinion is that each individual will decide what is right for them. For some the principal of kneeling to a pseudo-government mandate will be less important than keeping the job and benefits. For others it won’t. Each person is an individual with different experiences, different perspectives, and different situations. There are pilots that make more money playing the market in their off time and only put up with the airline business because they enjoy the flying. There are pilots who would be in a huge financial world of hurt if their jobs turned into a pumpkin. Everybody is going to have to make their own decision on what is right for them.

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Is there actually a real government mandate now, or is it still just that lying urine-soaked relic’s (USR) press release? My understanding was that the USR made the announcement but not the mandate so there was nothing that could be legally contested. Businesses that were inclined to mandate could do so and blame the “government mandate” for forcing them to do it, but there really was no mandate. Has that changed?

No change. No guidance. No actual mandate.
The Attorneys General of at least 20 states are waiting to file suit when/if there ever is...

Joe Biden’s Vaccine Mandate Doesn’t Exist. It’s Just A Press Release

Yes, we’ve heard all about Joe Biden’s alleged vaccine mandate for private companies employing 100 or more people. It was all over the news even before he announced it on September 9. His announcement has jeopardized the employment of millions of Americans and increased worker shortages in critical domains such as health care.

There’s only one problem. It’s all a mirage. Biden’s so-called vaccine mandate doesn’t exist — at least, not yet. So far, all we have is his press conference and other such made-for-media huff-puffing. No such rule even claiming to be legally binding has been issued yet.

https://thefederalist.com/2021...ust-a-press-release/

Southwest Airlines Offering Free Flights To All Passengers Who Are Vaccinated And Can Fly A Plane



DALLAS, TX—A spokesperson for Southwest Airlines has announced delays in flights due to strange weather that seems to pass over competitors’ planes, only affecting their own signature blue and orange aircraft. The airline has stated these delays have no connection to their pilots protesting vaccine mandates.

The spokesperson then announced a new Southwest Airlines incentive program for potential passengers: All flights, domestic or international, are free to any passenger who is vaccinated and can also fly a plane.

“The requirements to take advantage of these incredible savings are simple,” said Southwest CEO Bob Southwest to a crowd of customers who have been stuck at the airport all weekend and were frothing at the mouth in anger. “Show us proof of vaccination against COVID-19 and promise us you know how fly commercial airliners, and your flight is on us.”

The CEO then mentioned other skills that were not required, but beneficial: Experience calming herds of rabid, sleepless passengers, expertise in flying through mysterious, invisible weather events, and the ability to land the plane.

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Originally posted by chellim1:

I like that.
Also, you were born in 1986 and I graduated from high school that year.
I feel older now.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:

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Covid is a real disease, and it not only kills bunches of people, but it also seriously disables people who eventually recover, but can take months. Caring for these patients is resource intensive.

Are these patients being offered early treatments that have been proven to be highly effective in other countries? Or are they being told to stay home until they can't breathe anymore - and then check in to the ER?

THAT is one of the things that really pisses me off and shows just how this “pandemic” has been weaponized politically.

NO other treatment other than the “Chosen one”. Regardless of effectiveness, Docs are pressure/threatened to toe the line, politicians are banning/restricting meds such as ivermectin or hydroxychloro-whatever, clinics won’t give medical exemptions except for proven history of life-threatening reaction to a “vaccine” ingredient, and natural immunity of survivors is totally discounted (even though accepted in European countries) due to the “unknown” effectiveness or longevity it provides (the very same questions are as yet unanswered for the “vaccines” as well).


I prefer not to be a test subject for something I had and survived without even knowing I was “sick”. I am not Superman, but at 57yo (when I had it), 165lb overweight, type 2 diabetic, sleep apnea, and asthmatic I ticked a lot of “high risk” boxes.

20 months after my “infection”, I got a semi-quantitative antibody test and had equal or better antibody load (876 U/ml) than those who received the “vaccine”.


I haven’t had a flu shot in over 20 years, haven’t had the flu in that time either. In fact, the last time I was sick was when I had COVID and best I can figure that was Jan 2020.


As others have said, this is about power and control followed closely by profit motives.

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A whole lot of pilots have a side gig. There are other flying jobs besides the airlines (typically at much smaller companies). Is there a cost to walking away from an airline career? Sure. Have people done it in the past for lesser reasons? Absolutely.

^^^^^^^^^
If there were ample well paying side gigs they would have already left. Most of the PATCO guys got other work. Most were unhappy with their new jobs. Personally it does not matter to me. If physicians were to walk away that would get my attention. In the meantime I will look forward to seeing the singing pilot at the Holiday Inn lounge.

I'm just gonna say it....

Some of you don't know the first phukking thing you're talking about when it comes to this "vaccine" and airline/pilot jobs. Allow me to educate you...

There are a number of reasons why I REFUSE to take the jab, but one that's in my semi-long list is the possibility of adverse reaction and side effects from getting a "vaccine"...CDC VAERS data outlines these side effects. Now...for the regular Joe Schmo that sits his ass behind a desk for a living, it's probably not a huge consideration and not a big deal. Coolio...happy for you.

But consider that airline pilots, corporate pilots, commercial pilots, any pilot flying for hire most often must be able to pass and hold a 1st Class Medical Certificate. Not always, but most of the time. Hell...a pilot can fly for hire with just a 2nd Class Medical Certificate, but that still plays into the point I'm about to make.

And that point is this.....as stated, if Joe Schmo has a reaction to the vaccine, he can still go work his ass behind a desk. IF, however, the adverse reaction is severe enough that now I can no longer hold a 1st Class Medical Certificate, with the time I have remaining at my particular airline, I just threw away minimum...MINIMUM...an $800k career. That's MINIMUM.

I hope some of you who are spouting diarrhea from your cakes holes can now understand the trepidation SOME pilots may have to getting the jab. It ain't all black and white like some of you think.

Carry the phukk on......

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And that point is this.....as stated, if Joe Schmo has a reaction to the vaccine, he can still go work his ass behind a desk. IF, however, the adverse reaction is severe enough that now I can no longer hold a 1st Class Medical Certificate, with the time I have remaining at my airline, I just threw away minimum...MINIMUM...an $800k career. That's MINIMUM.

Calm down... we are on the same side (most of us anyway)... but, yes, pilots are the tip of the push back spear. You have a lot to lose. But, so do health care professionals and others, even if they don't make as much money.

Pilots are pushing back against vaccine mandates; and if you think about the curriculum vitae of a typical pilot, it makes sense.

A big percentage of commercial airline pilots are former military pilots. That group of people carry a strong disposition toward the principles of patriotism, service, liberty and freedom.

It is a simple truism that upsets leftists, but it makes sense for this specifically skilled workforce group to be the tip of the push back spear.

https://theconservativetreehou...st-vaccine-mandates/

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Originally posted by chellim1:
But, so do health care professionals and others, even if they don't make as much money.

With all due respect, you've missed my point. "Health-care professionals and others" can probably still do their job if they encounter a serious level of adverse reaction to a shot. That same adverse reaction, based on my OWN personal medical history, could prevent me from ever holding the requisite Medical Certificate ever again. The FAA is a little quirky about that stuff.

Translation.....FLYING CAREER OVER

Please help me think of one...JUST ONE...career where I can make the amount of income I would lose, as mentioned in my previous post, and still retire at 65. Which, by the way, is in less than 5 years.

** And I do realize many are on the same side here, but I will not calm down. I'm Italian...it comes with the genes. My post was a "if the shoe fits, wear it" post. Some here are straight up talking outta their anal sphincter hole. My own AME (Aeromedical Examiner) hadn't even thought of the VAERS issue until I pointed it out to him. And HE is the one that issues my Medical Certificate!!

I do detect a touch of narcissim in your post. What about surgeons?? Do they have anything to lose?

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Originally posted by Flash-LB:
In my opinion:

Regardless of what the pilots are saying, not many of them will allow themselves to be fired as they have too much to lose.

The Captains have too much time in to give up their benefits and retirement, so some will retire, but the rest will get the vaccine.

The senior co-pilots will also get the vaccine, and maybe the junior ones will take the firing and maybe not.

Same is going to be true of Flight attendants. Senior ones will go along to get along, junior ones may or may not.

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These people should think about what happened to the Air Traffic Controllers when Reagan was president. They all got fired and replaced and that can happen here also.

I suppose, except there’s already a serious pilot shortage.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:


I'm Italian...

Happy Columbus Day!

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I do detect a touch of narcissim in your post. What about surgeons?? Do they have anything to lose?

Yeah - how would you like to have a cardiac surgeon with bells palsy opening up your chest? (of course that would not happen because he/she would not be permitted to operate on you)

With that being said - I do understand erj's concerns with the whole medical certificate conundrum.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I do detect a touch of narcissim in your post. What about surgeons?? Do they have anything to lose?

Of course they do, but you still miss the point. Doctors don't have to have a physical every 6 months by a government (FAA) sanctioned AME (Aero Medical Examiner) just to keep their job. That is EVERY 6 months (once over age 40, annually until then).

You want to see a pilot get nervous, watch them before their flight physical. The best thing that can happen is they keep the status quo and get to continue working for another 6 months. Lots of possible bad outcomes that can lead to grounding and loss of significant amount of income.

This from a currently grounded airline pilot.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I do detect a touch of narcissim in your post. What about surgeons?? Do they have anything to lose?

They don't lose their medical license over an injury where a pilot can lose his license.

Can't operate but can still consult or go into another role as a doctor. Pilots will be out of the game.

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With all due respect, you've missed my point. "Health-care professionals and others" can probably still do their job if they encounter a serious level of adverse reaction to a shot. That same adverse reaction, based on my OWN personal medical history, could prevent me from ever holding the requisite Medical Certificate ever again. The FAA is a little quirky about that stuff.

Yep. You're right.
Cops don't have to renew a Medical Certificate every 6 months. But, that doesn't mean they can still do their job or don't have as much to lose...

UPDATE: Denver Police Officer Who Reluctantly Took the Jab Then Lost His Ability to Walk Is Now Hospitalized with Possible Stroke

Denver police officer, Jose Manriquez, who previously lost his ability to walk after reluctantly taking the COVID-19 vaccine was hospitalized Friday after experiencing symptoms of a stroke. Jose Manriquez lost his ability to speak and suffered the loss of mental clarity, numbness, unsteadiness, etc.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.c...zed-possible-stroke/

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Originally posted by chellim1:
No change. No guidance. No actual mandate.

There's nothing so oppressive as triggering peoples' imagination and stoking their imagination with fear. It's just so much more efficient to work that way when you're outnumbered, disbelieved, and have publicly admitted that the Constitution denies you the power you feel you need.

Remember when a mandate was something women had on a Saturday night?