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Dcowboyscr, So, you have been a cop. So have a whole lot of other people. You have family members who have served in the military. Great for them! What have you actually done for this country? You certainly are entitled to your beliefs and have a constitutional right to hold those beliefs and express them. I wore the uniform of this country for 11 years, more than 9 of those years on the E/W German border. I have two grandsons, both of whom have worn the uniform of this country. One was retired due to injuries received while serving this country. The other is still in uniform, wearing his 2 purple hearts proudly, not to mention the Bronze Star with “V”. And he is still facing more surgery to finally finish the repairs from his experience with “insider ambushes” in Afghanistan. This is my last and only response to your posting. I will be blocking your posts as I have no real desire to read your crap. Elk There has never been an occasion where a people gave up their weapons in the interest of peace that didn't end in their massacre. (Louis L'Amour) "To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical. " -Thomas Jefferson "America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great." Alexis de Tocqueville FBHO!!! The Idaho Elk Hunter | |||
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I agree. A lot of government agencies have sold a lot of municipal bonds to pay for lavish palaces for NFL teams, and repayment of those securities depends on revenues continuing strong. I have never liked public subsidies for these billionaires, enabling them to pay millions to players. Maybe this will help end it. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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I got sick of hearing anything about it yesterday at work. I finally just started saying, "Don't care, they're dead to me" in response to every comment directed my way. People used to wear NFL gear a lot during the season. I think I saw 2 shirts and a lanyard this weekend which is less than you'd normally see during the offseason. | |||
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Donald Trump is not a politician, he is a leader, politicians are a dime a dozen, leaders are priceless. | |||
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I find it interesting that for all the talk of people's First Amendment rights. As I understand it, the First is not a right reserved for individual citizens but rather prevents Congress from passing any new laws restricting speech. So "my First Amendment rights" is not exactly accurate. The Second Amendment is one of the few instances in the Constitution where the right is "of the people". Just a thread drift. | |||
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Ahhh, isn't it more a limitation on government interferring with enumerated rights of the people? "Congress shall pass no law....", "shall not be unfringed...", "nor shall be compelled..." to list a few. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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This is a great development. Maybe more states will consider this. Louisiana lawmakers question New Orleans Saints state funding after players protest Offended by New Orleans Saints players who protested by sitting during the national anthem Sunday (Sept. 24), state House Rep. Kenny Havard, R-Jackson, called for Louisiana's government to pull state funding, tax breaks and other support from the professional football franchise. "Disrespecting our national anthem and flag in the name of social injustice is the highest form of hypocrisy," Havard said in a written statement Monday. State Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Denham Springs, has also requested the Saints' state benefits be reviewed by the Legislature's Senate and House budget committees as a result of the players' protest. Hodges is a member of the House Appropriations Committee, which oversees state finances. About $165 million of the Saints' $1.5 billion value can be attributed to public funding, tax breaks and incentives given to Saints owner Tom Benson each year, according to an analysis The Times-Picayune | NOLA.com conducted in 2016. Benson, Louisiana's richest resident, owes a good portion of his estimated $2.2 billion fortune to his ownership of two professional sports franchises, the Saints and the New Orleans Pelicans, which are both supported with taxpayer money. "I believe in the right to protest, but not at a taxpayer-subsidized sporting event. Do it on your own time. There are plenty of disabled children, elderly and veterans in this state that would appreciate the money," Havard said. The Saints organization did not want to comment on Havard's statements when contacted by a reporter Monday afternoon. The 10 Saints who protested were among 150 professional football players around the National Football League who refused to stand for the national anthem Sunday. Four other players also stood in solidarity near the 10 Saints players who sat out the national anthem, though they didn't sit down themselves. These types of demonstrations initially started with former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in 2016. Kaepernick refused to stand for the national anthem in order to draw attention to brutality against black people and other minorities. Kaepernick got some support from players last year, though nothing like the demonstrations seen Sunday. Football player protests intensified this past weekend because of comments President Donald Trump made at a campaign rally in Alabama on Friday night. Trump called on NFL team owners to fire players who refused to stand during the national anthem. The president referred to any player who protests as a "son of a b----" on national television. "Obviously, everybody knows about the president's comments and I'm just trying to support, really, the movement that (Kaepernick) started," Saints safety Kenny Vaccaro said after Sunday's game. "I've always felt like we needed to do something and I didn't want to disrespect anyone." Right before the Saints game, the team released a statement of behalf of Benson saying players should be allowed to "express their feelings," though Benson feels strongly about honoring the flag flown during the national anthem. Saints coach Sean Payton said he was proud of all of his players who protested. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Squeeze them where it hurts You’re a lying dog-faced pony soldier | |||
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Right BamaJeepster. $165 million a year, from taxpayers, whether they are football fans or not. Prior to all of the subsidies.... we had football and people paid taxes. But football wasn't so ridiculously "over the top" in all of its excesses and people kept more of their own money to do with what they choose. Raising taxes on all, for the benefit of a few billionaires is un-American. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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https://www.realclearpolitics...._of_nfl_players.html | |||
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To tell a story that was told to me by a veteran Chicago Fireman who served many years at Engine Co 78, located at 1052 W. Waveland in Chicago. The firehouse was situated directly behind Wrigley Field. From 1921 to 1970 the Chicago Bears football team played their NFL games at Wrigley Field. Men from the neighborhood, many of whom were firefighters and police officers were hired part-time to erect the bleachers turning the baseball field into a football stadium. The one thing that stuck in the mind of every firemen who served at Engine 78 during those years was that the Bears football players would ask to bring their children to the firehouse. The Bears players would introduce them to the firemen so that children would know and understand what a true hero was and that the firemen should be looked up to for what they do. In addition the players stressed to their children that they should not to think for one minute that they as players were the real heroes just because the newspapers said they were. Those were times when the football players had part-time jobs in the off season. People had much different values and work ethics back then. Im proud to say that I began my 32 year career with the CFD at Engine 78, in October 1978. Even more proud to have served with many other great firefighters over the years. MAGA NRA Gun Owners of America | |||
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Bravo, I like it, may I steal it? | |||
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Excellent post. Obviously, the crybaby types and their enablers do not understand the level of disgust with this latest abomination. The pendulum will swing back, because that is what pendulums do. | |||
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No offense to the football fans here, but I'm glad to see all of this. The last week has completely exposed the cockroaches hiding under the carpet. This is the new Deplorables moment all over again. Leftists who still don't know what the hell they're talking about, doing crazy shit that pisses off Americans. And you can bet this is not lost on Trump. And the leftists still haven't learned a thing from last year. They continue to pick at their scabs with a sharper knife time after time. I say keep going. "I’m not going to read Time Magazine, I’m not going to read Newsweek, I’m not going to read any of these magazines; I mean, because they have too much to lose by printing the truth"- Bob Dylan, 1965 | |||
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It's a pretty brilliant move by Trump. NO ONE was talking about his new travel ban. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The price of liberty and even of common humanity is eternal vigilance | |||
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Adobe is right. It is a pendulum. The unconscionable salaries came up during a simultaneous peak in popularity of the sport and economic growth in this country (which was not fueled by those who kneel). Clearly the financial house of cards the NFL has become cannot continue on its trajectory. It is overdue for a swing in the other direction. _________________________ NRA Endowment Member _________________________ "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis | |||
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Funny how that works. Trump is a master at that. ____________________________________________________ New and improved super concentrated me: Proud rebel, heretic, and Oneness Apostolic Pentecostal. There is iron in my words of death for all to see. So there is iron in my words of life. | |||
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| I believe in the principle of Due Process |
The unconscionable salaries came when the owners started raking in zillions of dollars from TV rights. Players unions got theselves organized, collective bargaining and free agency were important factors. I'm pretty sure it will not swing back to basebsll players making $20,000 a year to start, but it's hard to see how it can keep accelerating as it has. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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Trump's twitter flashlight is illuminating marshes, quagmires, and the swamp. North Korea holding the world hostage for protection money. They have gone from baseball bats for breaking knees to a pistol. Might it not be time to stop the escalation? Imagine their efforts spent building up a prosperous nation instead. I am sadden by Korean people living in terror. The UN does not and has not made the world a better place from where I sit. More pertinent to this thread. Allowing thug culture and genuine hate for American ideals a nation platform. Idolizing thug life - Not making America Great. Poverty is not the reason players are leading the thug life, it is a choice. Some roll model for our children and America's future. Draining the swamp is not a one man job. | |||
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This is a good time for me to let you guys know that those members who continue to support the NFL are welcome to continue having discussions about the game without any interference from members who oppose the NFL. If you have any questions about this, please ask now. We're not going to eat our own over this. We will agree to disagree and all will be well. ____________________________________________________ "I am your retribution." - Donald Trump, speech at CPAC, March 4, 2023 | |||
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