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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
Well, no one can claim they disrespected the flag. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for 37 years and I’ll continue to watch them.

Like Mike Rowe said "...football fans have shown a collective willingness to ignore and enable all sorts of dubious behavior."

Of course.

Football fans simply don't care. Murderers, rapists, dog fighting. All of them are forgiven. You think something as trivial as standing for a national anthem will turn them away from football?

The MLB strike years ago turned a lot of fans away and took them a long to recover.

It seems like football has this cult following.

I bet some fans value football more than their own families.

Not sure why football is so important and sacred, especially football that has nothing to do with the reality we face every day. If the NFL was somehow involved in my paycheck, I would understand needing the NFL around. But I think the harsh reality is that if sports went away, we would be fine, the world won't fall apart. Vendors can get other jobs.

And I don't even want to hear the shit about how building a stadium creates jobs. Building a stadium puts the tax payers on the hook for many years for something they probably didn't even want. The team leaves, as in the case that has happened numerous times, and there's an empty stadium the tax payers are still paying for that's empty...

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
Well, no one can claim they disrespected the flag. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for 37 years and I’ll continue to watch them.

They weren't kneeling in prayer. They were kneeling in solidarity with the disrespectful jackasses that do not know or acknowledge the lies behind why they are kneeling in the first place. You and they think the timing of when they kneel actually removes the stigma of why they kneel? I don't follow that logic at all because it's just delusional justification to keep doing something that ought not to be done.

When the flag was out and the national anthem being played they stood respectfully. As a former police officer I don’t agree with the Black Lives Matter crew or what they believe. What I do believe in is America, freedom and the Constitution of this great country. Their employers allow them to exercise their rights and other people are allowed to watch or not, spend their money or not. Just like I think people that burn the flag are pieces of shit, the Supreme Court which the Constitution empowers has ruled this dispicable behavior is legal.

Christ.

You know, go ahead and delude yourself if you want, but don't come here and sing us that bull about the Constitution and rights. That's you rationalizing this behavior pure and simple; and you're doing it because you just don't want to give up your football, even if it means turning your back on the flag and the men and women who sacrificed for it.

I'm beyond infuriated by this whole ridiculous nonsense and just can't fathom how anyone can support it. Sorry, but I just can't help hut be harsh to the extreme.

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Originally posted by zdog16:
Just sent the Cowpuffs a nice email. Pretty much told them I was born and raised in Texas and have been a fan since birth 39years. Then I told them my father served 21 years in the Army and is buried in Arlington National Cemetary section 60.Then I told the puffs when the Anthem plays you STAND with your hand over your heart or in a salute. No other choices. Can’t be a fan anymore and good riddance!

Every Cowboy player was standing arm in arm for the National Anthem. Maybe they didn't all have hands over there heart but each and every player was standing facing the flag.

Playing both sides of the fence is not compromise, it's weak and wrong. It doesn't matter if it's before the anthem is played or not, giving any credence whatsoever to what this form of kneeling stands for, in the stadium, on the taxpayer's dime (meaning during the entire event - pre-, post-, and during game time) is surrendering integrity. As Mike Rowe and others have pointed out, there will be those who look for any justification, no matter how small or poorly reasoned, to continue to lend their support to people and an organization that don't deserve any.

Of course it's your choice to do as you wish. God bless America for that. Tonight was just a transparent stunt by the Cowboys. Some see through it, others don't wish to.

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Just sent the Cowpuffs a nice email. Pretty much told them I was born and raised in Texas and have been a fan since birth 39years. Then I told them my father served 21 years in the Army and is buried in Arlington National Cemetary section 60.Then I told the puffs when the Anthem plays you STAND with your hand over your heart or in a salute. No other choices. Can’t be a fan anymore and good riddance!

Every Cowboy player was standing arm in arm for the National Anthem. Maybe they didn't all have hands over there heart but each and every player was standing facing the flag.

Playing both sides of the fence is not compromise, it's weak and wrong. It doesn't matter if it's before the anthem is played or not, giving any credence whatsoever to what this form of kneeling stands for, in the stadium, on the taxpayer's dime (meaning during the entire event - pre-, post-, and during game time) is surrendering integrity. As Mike Rowe and others have pointed out, there will be those who look for any justification, no matter how small or poorly reasoned, to continue to lend their support to people and an organization that don't deserve any.

Of course it's your choice to do as you wish. God bless America for that. Tonight was just a transparent stunt by the Cowboys. Some see through it, others don't wish to.

The word "pandering" comes to mind.

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
Well, no one can claim they disrespected the flag. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for 37 years and I’ll continue to watch them.

They weren't kneeling in prayer. They were kneeling in solidarity with the disrespectful jackasses that do not know or acknowledge the lies behind why they are kneeling in the first place. You and they think the timing of when they kneel actually removes the stigma of why they kneel? I don't follow that logic at all because it's just delusional justification to keep doing something that ought not to be done.

When the flag was out and the national anthem being played they stood respectfully. As a former police officer I don’t agree with the Black Lives Matter crew or what they believe. What I do believe in is America, freedom and the Constitution of this great country. Their employers allow them to exercise their rights and other people are allowed to watch or not, spend their money or not. Just like I think people that burn the flag are pieces of shit, the Supreme Court which the Constitution empowers has ruled this dispicable behavior is legal.

Christ.

You know, go ahead and delude yourself if you want, but don't come here and sing us that bull about the Constitution and rights. That's you rationalizing this behavior pure and simple; and you're doing it because you just don't want to give up your football, even if it means turning your back on the flag and the men and women who sacrificed for it.

I'm beyond infuriated by this whole ridiculous nonsense and just can't fathom how anyone can support it. Sorry, but I just can't help hut be harsh to the extreme.

Whatever, just because you don’t agree with what someone says/does, doesn’t mean they should be prohibited from doing it. Furthermore, I was a police officer and I have veterans in my family so don’t give me this snowflake emotional bs that I’m turning my back on the flag and the people who sacrificed for it. You don’t know me or how I live my life. Have fun watching soccer, hockey, paint drying or whatever and I’ll continue to watch the NFL.

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Whatever, just because you don’t agree with what someone says/does, doesn’t mean they should be prohibited from doing it. Furthermore, I was a police officer and I have veterans in my family so don’t give me this snowflake emotional bs that I’m turning my back on the flag and the people who sacrificed for it. You don’t know me or how I live my life. Have fun watching soccer, hockey, paint drying or whatever and I’ll continue to watch the NFL.

I know you support those who would piss on the graves of the men and women who died for this country, and that's all I need to know. Enjoy your NFL.

All the talk about "rights" and "solidarity" is pure BS.

1. It is in the NFL contract that players will stand silently and face the flag during the anthem.

2 Donald Trump has the RIGHT to point out what despicable dipshits they are.

3. The owners have a RIGHT to fire those who violate their contract and exhibit controversial behavior on field.

4. The American people have a RIGHT to notice what un-American dipshits they are.

5. The American people have a RIGHT to boycott the NFL.

So, if a bunch of overpaid, anti-American half-witted, meat lumps want to have a battle over "rights"....then BRING IT ON!

I can't wait for Roger Goodells new book, titled "What Happened"!!!

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
Well, no one can claim they disrespected the flag. I’ve been a Cowboys fan for 37 years and I’ll continue to watch them.

They weren't kneeling in prayer. They were kneeling in solidarity with the disrespectful jackasses that do not know or acknowledge the lies behind why they are kneeling in the first place. You and they think the timing of when they kneel actually removes the stigma of why they kneel? I don't follow that logic at all because it's just delusional justification to keep doing something that ought not to be done.

When the flag was out and the national anthem being played they stood respectfully. As a former police officer I don’t agree with the Black Lives Matter crew or what they believe. What I do believe in is America, freedom and the Constitution of this great country. Their employers allow them to exercise their rights and other people are allowed to watch or not, spend their money or not. Just like I think people that burn the flag are pieces of shit, the Supreme Court which the Constitution empowers has ruled this dispicable behavior is legal.

Christ.

You know, go ahead and delude yourself if you want, but don't come here and sing us that bull about the Constitution and rights. That's you rationalizing this behavior pure and simple; and you're doing it because you just don't want to give up your football, even if it means turning your back on the flag and the men and women who sacrificed for it.

I'm beyond infuriated by this whole ridiculous nonsense and just can't fathom how anyone can support it. Sorry, but I just can't help hut be harsh to the extreme.

Whatever, just because you don’t agree with what someone says/does, doesn’t mean they should be prohibited from doing it. Furthermore, I was a police officer and I have veterans in my family so don’t give me this snowflake emotional bs that I’m turning my back on the flag and the people who sacrificed for it. You don’t know me or how I live my life. Have fun watching soccer, hockey, paint drying or whatever and I’ll continue to watch the NFL.

dcowboy - I don't think you're understanding what Balze, I, and others are saying or what we're standing for. Nobody is saying these players should be prohibited from doing their protest on their own time, and in their own space. At issue, currently, is the venue in which they are being allowed to protest.

By being allowed to protest in the stadium, at any time - either during the anthem or not, means that the racism, bigotry, discrimination, and hate promulgated by the Black Lives Matter movement is being condoned by the team owners. There is no middle ground here yet the Cowboys are trying to have it both ways - to support those who support the BLM cause, and to show they support America and its principles. BLM principles and American principles (Constitution, etc.) are completely at odds with each other so this can only be a binary proposition. You are either for one ideal or the other.

The NFL, Cowboys included, has come out in support of the players promoting BLM's hate. By supporting any team in the NFL, you are indirectly supporting the Black Lives Matter movement.


Edit to add: Balze, and any of you that are the "others" I mentioned - if I have mischaracterized or misrepresented any part of your position on this issue, I apologize for speaking out of turn.

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I can't wait for Roger Goodells new book, titled "What Happened"!!!

Looks like it is trending on Amazon now!

I cannot tune in and ignore my principals on this one. Disrespecting the country and flag offends me.

The arguments in the media today are no longer rational. The left and apparently the players don't like Trump, so the reaction is twice as stupid. Most of the coverage also misses the point IMO. If you dislike Trump, you get to say so. That is free speech. Go stand at city hall, or the TV station on your day off and convince passersby to believe what you do because you play pigskin.

Asking you not to disrespect flag and country while in public reflects on you, and your employer. I will NOT watch this year. I publicly commit to sponsors I Will NOT watch.

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Ben Roethlisberger on Monday afternoon released a statement saying he regretted his Pittsburgh Steelers boycotting the national anthem on Sunday.

Ben bones what was the biggest team leadership decision of his career. Patriotic fans bat him and his chicken shit excuse away, of course he wants a do over. You don't get this one back Ben, sometimes you get one chance to prove what you are made of, you blew yours. All this football shit was just a game.

If you don’t agree with this protest let the sponsors know that as long as they support these folks that you will no longer purchase their product. If enough people let the sponsors know how they feel the dollars will dry up and the team owners will have to take notice.

Interesting twist.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...ng-alone-intentional

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Interesting twist.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/...ng-alone-intentional

His actions speak louder than words. I'm sure he didn't intent to make his teammates look bad. They looked bad all on their own.

Well, we aren't fans of all of the Cali guns laws but I find this to be interesting timing for Goodel and the National Felons league.

http://bleacherreport.com/arti...e-felony-gun-charges

Los Angeles Rams defensive lineman Ethan Westbrooks was arrested Friday on several felony counts after being found in possession of a stolen handgun, per Gary Klein of the Los Angeles Times.

Per Adam Taylor of the California Highway Patrol, Westbrooks was charged with "suspicion of receiving stolen property, carrying a loaded firearm, carrying a stolen loaded firearm, grand theft of a firearm and possession of a high-capacity magazine" after being stopped for speeding.

He was released from Kern County Jail after posting a bond of $55,000.

Westbrooks is in his fourth year with the team and has appeared in all three games for the Rams this season, totaling five tackles and a sack. He started in Week 1 in place of Aaron Donald while the Pro Bowler was returning from his holdout.

My wife was commenting on these goings on just this past Sunday and we've both had our fill of it. I responded that we won't be watching the NFL in our home. That would be our right to exercise.

I honestly doubt the players care, if they know, but they are alienating far more than they are persuading.

I call it the Dixie Chicks syndrome. The idiots are clueless about who their audience is. They have shit in their own mess kit and its going to show up in the bottom line