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Originally posted by Ackks:
My concern is there is at least one jury member who knows they should side with the defense, but is scared of being doxed by the left.

Pretty sure it will hang. Enough people on the jury to see the reasonable doubt. And a few people that will refuse to find him not guilty no matter what. Perhaps that will result in compromise to the manslaughter charge, but I can't see a murder conviction except only due to fear of reprisal.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

There is no rule on how long the judge has to make them try to reach a verdict or how many times he can send them back. He can give a fairly prescribed "Allen charge" (after a case called Allen) which sends them back to try to reach a verdict. The Allen charge is prescribed because the court can't say anything that sways the jury one way or the other.

^^^^^
I've been debating whether an Allen Charge may become necessary. I'm leading slightly away from it having to be used.

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Either way, when the verdict comes out, I believe the mobs will riot.

Either they'll riot because the "not guilty" verdict is not what they want and they need to show their displeasure or; they will riot in celebration of a "guilty" verdict because that has been proven over the past year to get recognition for "justice."

Big question is, how widespread will the rioting be?

I agree with this. There is just too much opportunity.

Nope. Chauvin will be convicted. Not because he is guilty but because the jury will not have the stones to vote their conscience. They are afraid. They were afraid during jury selection. Chauvin will get railroaded to appease the angry leftist mob.

I expect a not guilty verdict, or a mistrial. I have $20 riding on this with a liberal co-worker, and feel confident.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Nope. Chauvin will be convicted. Not because he is guilty but because the jury will not have the stones to vote their conscience. They are afraid. They were afraid during jury selection. Chauvin will get railroaded to appease the angry leftist mob.

If this happens, in about 3 to 6 months a juror or two will talk (anonymously of course) and this will be one of many grounds to overturn a conviction on appeal.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Nope. Chauvin will be convicted. Not because he is guilty but because the jury will not have the stones to vote their conscience. They are afraid. They were afraid during jury selection. Chauvin will get railroaded to appease the angry leftist mob.

Yeah, they have to know their names, addresses, jobs, and children's schools will be doxed if they do. I'm hoping there are at least one or two brave souls, but even in the jury room they will face all kinds of pressure and possible threats of it being leaked they blocked a conviction.

Their choice comes down to throwing some guy they don't know under the bus or putting their lives and families at risk.

Maybe there's a jurist who is like me: old, never married, no wife or children, retired.

flashguy

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Their choice comes down to throwing some guy they don't know under the bus or putting their lives and families at risk.

Have to wonder if they've already been threatened.

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Originally posted by 6guns:

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Their choice comes down to throwing some guy they don't know under the bus or putting their lives and families at risk.

Have to wonder if they've already been threatened.

If the prosecutor didn't offer "witness protection" and armed police guard of their homes, then the judge should order it.

Don't bargain with terrorists, don't give in to the mob. If it's any of us on the jury, I'm sure some well "prepared" Sigforum members would stand guard.

I've watched the trial from the voir dire phase. Some of my takeaways are.

-Jurors are majority young and female
-Judge quashed the subpoena for 'Ricardo'
-Judge allows the state to bring back their star witness at the very end
-Drugs found only after defense requested to look at squad 320 vehicle
-GF had 98% O2 saturation in the sample taken after resuscitation efforts. He died of lack of oxygen though.
-GF has acted similarly in prior traffic stops
-GF called his on/off girlfriend 'Mama'
-GF's blood pressure history was above 200/140
-GF had overdosed and was hospitalized in March of 2020
-GF had no bruising from the knee and shin on his back
-Chauvin weights 140 lbs. but the state insists that adding the weight of a duty belt suddenly transforms him into William 'The Refrigerator' Perry.

Across anything associated with NBC -- from the warm and fuzzy "Today Show" to "This Is Us" -- expect a wallow in the racialist cesspool.

Chauvin trial defense rests — after smearing George Floyd with false overdose theory

(We cannot allow racist, breathless myths about drugs distract us from the actual facts.)

“I can’t breathe.” Those were the last words — called out repeatedly — by George Floyd, whose death in the custody of police officers last spring was captured on video and witnessed by millions. Derek Chauvin, an officer in that video, can clearly be seen kneeling on Floyd’s neck for over nine minutes. His murder trial this month has reopened never-quite-healed wounds; it has also recycled old and misleading stereotypes about drug abuse and addiction.

...blah blah blah...

I haven’t watched. When do we expect the verdict?

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Originally posted by ruger357:
I haven’t watched. When do we expect the verdict?

Chauvin Trial Day 14 Wrap-Up: Mistrial Narrowly Avoided, Closing Arguments Monday


https://lawofselfdefense.com/c...ng-arguments-monday/

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Originally posted by ruger357:
I haven’t watched. When do we expect the verdict?

Minneapolis public schools are moving all grade levels to distance learning starting Wednesday. They're also canceling all school events as well as before and after school child care programs from Wednesday to Friday. Apparently they're expecting the worst, can't say as I blame them!

https://www.startribune.com/mi...n-verdict/600046863/

I see Maxine Waters was there this week stirring the pot.

I wonder if some local business owners there might file a civil suit against her for inciting violence and destruction of their neighborhoods & businesses.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I see Maxine Waters was there this week stirring the pot.

I wonder if some local business owners there might file a civil suit against her for inciting violence and destruction of their neighborhoods & businesses.

Yeah, she a bundle of joy here.

Maxine Waters tells Minnesota BLM protesters 'to get more confrontational'

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I see Maxine Waters was there this week stirring the pot.

I wonder if some local business owners there might file a civil suit against her for inciting violence and destruction of their neighborhoods & businesses.

Yeah, she a bundle of joy here.

Maxine Waters tells Minnesota BLM protesters 'to get more confrontational'

Somebody remind me. What did Trump supposedly do to be impeached the second time? The hypocrisy knows no limit.

No way should Chauvin's trial be allowed to continue in Minneapolis with the shit storm that has developed there since it started. I guess if he gets a conviction he will have multiple appeal options.

Monday morning his lawyer should again ask for a change of venue after Water's guest appearance demanding his conviction, and an increase in unrest.

Know a woman that was a juror on the Casey Anthony trial. post non conviction she was doxxed, mobbed, multiple death threats, nasty situation, so much so that she left and moved out of the state, no choice but to disappear and felt she had to give up her life here to stay alive...