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Puzzling because if he did call the front desk to report it then why did the cops showed up on the wrong floor (31st instead of 32nd)? | |||
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Likely because they wanted to approach the floor from the stairwell rather than the elevator. Think about it... ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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[Sam L Jackson] "Campos was shot in the mutherfukkin laig, and he probably was in some serious goddamn pain, so the nigga gonna be screamin' shit into his radio to some dumbass dispatcher, who's job is to make sure the paying sonzabitchis be gettin' they poker chips and shit so they spend tons of goddamn money and keep the bosses happy, what the hell you think he was doing?" [/Sam L Jackson] "the meaning of life, is to give life meaning" ✡ Ani Yehudi אני יהודי Le'olam lo shuv לעולם לא שוב! | |||
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Not using the elevator makes tactical sense but I was under the impression that the cops weren't sure where the shooter was until they met the security guard on the 32nd floor. A lot of time elapsed between the guard getting shot and them getting there. Plenty of time for that info to have been passed on. | |||
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Right, they showed up on the 31st floor, went to the suite underneath Paddock's room to talk to the guest there who had called in to report on the gun fire above. They then head up to the 32nd floor where they ran into the slightly wounded guard (after at least 16 long minutes). He then helped the cops clearing the nearby rooms of guests. If the guard up on the 32nd had radioed in on the room number during those 16 minutes, cops would've showed up on the correct floor? | |||
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I’m concerned that simple information like a timeline and check-in date were initially reported incorrectly. It would also be wise of the police to explain what was happening in between key moments, such as the testimony from the guard and why he was doing after being shot, how he got shot, what exactly he was responding to, did he have a radio or cell etc etc. I’ve said it before, but the LVMP need some serious PR help, and maybe even some investigative help. It’s getting frustrating The reward for hard work, is more hard work arcwelder76, 2013 | |||
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How about upon encountering what he thought to be automatic fire through the door and getting shot, the security guard watched the door to prevent the gunman from leaving and also kept the hallway clear of other people until police arrived. Because the police that did arrive waited for the SWAT team to blow the door open, I'm going to assume the police couldn't get through the door. If they couldn't get through, one security guard couldn't either. Just my WAG, but it sounds like some people are MMQBing the security guard in a negative way. What was he supposed to do? | |||
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They waited for SWAT because there was no more shooting at that point. They believed he was holed up inside and waiting on them. (In reality he had already killed himself; he was dead 2 minutes before the first police officers arrived at the 32nd floor.) So because he wasn't actively killing anyone any longer, they cleared the floor of other guests, then held the area and waited for the SWAT guys with better training and equipment. If he had been continuing to shoot down at the concert, the first officers on scene would have attempted entry without waiting for SWAT. As I posted back many pages ago, SOP for a mass killing is that if the attackers are actively shooting/killing, the first officers on scene have to do the best they can to close with and stop the threat with what they have, but if there's no active killing and the shooter is corralled or barricaded in a contained area, the first officers on scene keep him contained and wait for SWAT. (There's obviously way more to it than that, but that's the most basic version.) | |||
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It sure is seeming that way, isn't it? What a horrible mess. ...talk about giving more material to the conspiracy theorists. ------------------------------------------------ Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another. | |||
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Thinking about the new timeline: It was 6 minutes from shooting the guard until Paddock starting shooting at the crowd perhaps Paddock thought they were on to him. He may have kept watching the monitors to see if more police came up the hall. He may have been surprised nothing happened after firing 200 times into the hallway. Why did Paddock stop after 10 minutes when he had more ammunition ? did he run out of targets ? there were 22,000 people but after the crowd knew there was gunfire, many started running. Some laid down on the ground, but there were reports that they were told to move and hide. Paddock was initially shooting into a very large group of people. After 10 minutes the crowd may have dispersed and scattered so much that from 400 yards and night time, he couldn't see anything else to shoot at. It is possible too that he was worried the police would be showing up at the door soon Haven't seen any interviews with Campos yet. That seems strange too. Police officers who entered the room after the breach have been on broadcast interviews a very detailed report here : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/l...-paddock-hotel-room/ note in this report above, it was still believed that the security guard arrived at the end of the shooting | |||
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I don't think it's that big of a conspiracy theory to think that someone could have been with him shooting decided to make him the single goat and kill him while the other or others got away. There is a big hole that this could have taken place. The LVMP is having a rough time of it just getting the timeline straight. Whether this is investigative incompetence or bad Public relations is yet to be seen, but we now know it didn't happen the way they told it happened. ----------------------------------------------------------- TCB all the time... | |||
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Forensics should be able to determine whether he killed himself or not. Gun powder residue on his hands, angle and distance at which the bullet entered, etc. ======================== NRA Basic Pistol Instructor NRA Home Firearm Safety Instructor NRA Range Officer NRA Life Member Arkansas Concealed Carry Instructor #13-943 | |||
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Nothing but fantasy, man. Pure fantasy. People need to stop trying to weave elaborate tales around this event. There is no evidence of any such thing. | |||
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I think the problem is that they are too concerned about PR and media, and need to concentrate on investigation. Get it right, and there is no PR problem. The longer I watch this stuff, not just LV but events generally, the more I realize that PR and media manipulation and attempts are behind many of the events and resulting problems. Luckily, I have enough willpower to control the driving ambition that rages within me. When you had the votes, we did things your way. Now, we have the votes and you will be doing things our way. This lesson in political reality from Lyndon B. Johnson "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." - Justice Janice Rogers Brown | |||
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For all those who think he may have had help and then was shot by that person, where did they go? Did they manage to avoid the cameras in the hallway? Did they jump out of the window? Or... maybe they got to the roof and a black CIA helicopter picked them up. Sounds like the most likely scenario. No one's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session.- Mark Twain | |||
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All of the above made sense when I heard it initially. Seems like the story has changed about who responded and when. We were told that cops went up to the 32nd floor, bumped into the security guard, got a perimeter going and waited for swat. The Sheriff also made comments about officers already at the Mandalay Bay for another event responding. Now from the 60 minutes interview.....it was 2 K9 officers that heard the radio call and drove 5 minutes to get there along with a SWAT officer who had explosives with him and another officer. Maybe I'm just not following but it sounded like they are the ones that did the explosive breach with the one SWAT guy setting the breach charges. Where was SWAT at this time? 60 minutes interview kinda made it seem like it was those 4 guys alone up there just taking care of business but plenty enough time had passed for SWAT and 100 other officers to be there. | |||
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pieces keep dribbling out: Mandalay Bay hotel-casino security guard Jesus Campos told investigators that he had been responding to a report of an open door when he heard drilling in Paddock’s room security guard Jesus Campos told investigators that Paddock was drilling to an adjacent wall when he walked up to Paddock’s room. Sheriff Joe Lombardo says Paddock did fire at fuel tanks near the Mandalay Bay Hotel http://www.breitbart.com/news/...ore-firing-on-crowd/ | |||
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The Special Agent in Charge of Las Vegas is a perfect example of a political hack who is in his position of authority for the sole purpose of controlling the narrative. As citizen journalists continue to peel the layers of the onion, their investigation of the Vegas concert shooting has virtually destroyed the official story. Perhaps this is why the FBI's man in Las Vegas seems so defensive and thin skinned during pressers. The FBI, still full of Obama/Comey holdovers, cannot be trusted. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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You've taken one piece of my post completely out of context. My post was about possible, reasonable, simple explanations for what the security guard was doing in the 16 minutes between when he was was shot and when police first arrived in response to what seems to be other people's negative MMQBing of his actions. I did say it was my WAG. | |||
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