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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
If you are having trouble thinking the shooter was just an insane nutjob watch this video of his brother:

https://www.facebook.com/stopc...3542/?type=2&theater

Just so we're clear, him, not you.

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Originally posted by BamaJeepster:
If you are having trouble thinking the shooter was just an insane nutjob watch this video of his brother:

https://www.facebook.com/stopc...3542/?type=2&theater

You know, I just watched that, and what he was saying or trying to say wasn't exactly wrong or crazy, but the way he said it...

yeah...

"experts" saying he was a nut job,....Now!
the fact that you waited until now to quantify his mental state at this point in time , does nothing for your "expert " abilities.

I say he was just sick and tired, fed up .

He was rich , richer and richest, but wealth did not fulfill his big picture at what life should be , so he searched and found that there are no where near as many good people as there used to be.

Probably watched way too much national news, grew more tired , and then grew to be disgusted, then down right perturbed.

Interesting factoid out in the EL Eh Times, seems the guy shot the guard before he started shooting at the crowd.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/...-20171009-story.html


Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal


olice have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Officials had previously said that gunman Stephen Paddock, 64, of Mesquite, Nev., shot Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos after Paddock had unleashed his deadly volley at the Route 91 Harvest Festival, an assault that began at 10:05 p.m. and left 58 people dead, with hundreds more injured.

They had credited Campos, who was shot in the leg, with stopping the 10-minute assault on the concert crowd by turning the gunman’s attention to the hotel hallway, where Campos was checking an alert for an open door in another guest’s room.

But Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo said Monday that Paddock shot Campos before his mass shooting — at 9:59 p.m. — and they now didn’t know why Paddock stopped his attack on the crowd.

Paddock, who had placed security cameras outside his room, shot Campos through the door of his suite, which was outfitted with a camera to survey the hallway, as was a room service cart parked outside. Police said Paddock fired 200 rounds into the hallway.

Investigators previously said that the security guard was shot after Paddock had already spent 10 minutes firing into the crowd of concertgoers gathered below the hotel.

In a timeline released last week, investigators said Paddock had stopped firing at the concert across the street at 10:15 p.m., and the first police officers arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m. and encountered the wounded Campos at 10:18 p.m., who directed the officers to Paddock’s suite.

Police were not in a hurry to enter Paddock’s suite because the security guard’s arrival had halted the shooting, police implied in previously describing the timeline. Paddock had killed himself by the time officers entered the room, they said.

In a news conference Wednesday, Lombardo said it was his “assumption” that Paddock stopped his shooting spree because the gunman, using his spy cameras, “observed the security guard, and he was in fear that he was about to be breached, so he was doing everything possible to figure out how to escape at that point.”

In another news conference last week, Clark County Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Campos "had notified his dispatch, which was absolutely critical to us, knowing the location, as well as advising the responding officers as they arrived.”

But on Monday, the timeline changed.

Here's a timeline of the Las Vegas shooting — with the crucial detail police left out last time
“Mr. Campos was encountered by the suspect prior to his shooting to the outside world,” Lombardo said at a Monday news conference.

Police officers who started searching the hotel after the shooting began didn’t know a hotel security guard had been shot “until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said. He didn’t say whether Campos notified casino security after he was shot.

A police spokesperson did not immediately respond to several follow-up questions from the Los Angeles Times seeking clarification on the new timeline.

Charles "Sid" Heal, a retired Los Angeles County sheriff's commander and tactical expert, said the new timeline “changes the whole perspective of the shooting."

In the solitary world of video poker, Stephen Paddock knew how to win. Until he didn't
Heal said that if police had known immediately that a guard had been shot, they would have rushed the room while the gunman was still firing. He said it seemed to signal a breakdown in communication.

“It doesn't say much for hotel security,” Heal said.

After Campos was shot, a maintenance worker appeared on the 32nd floor and “Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo said.

Representatives for the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino and the union representing the hotel’s security guards did not immediately respond to messages seeking comment.

Lombardo said investigators still had not uncovered a motive for Paddock’s attack and had found “zero” evidence of a second gunman. Investigators said Paddock was not seen with anyone before the attack.

Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked into Mandalay Bay. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25.

They continue to believe he was operating without a partner.

Lombardo said investigators had compiled 200 “instances” of Paddock moving around Las Vegas before the attack, and he was always alone.

The sheriff also revealed that Paddock had started drilling a hole next to the door of his suite, but the drilling apparently was not completed, and officials weren’t sure what the hole was for.

Lombardo said investigators had found “some evidence of medications” used by Paddock but declined to give any more information.

Authorities have begun returning personal items to those who left them behind when fleeing the concert grounds. Clark County Deputy Fire Chief John Steinbeck said 99 people came Sunday to retrieve items from the Family Assistance Center at the Las Vegas Convention Center.

By late afternoon Monday, a slow trickle of people entered the heavily guarded doors of the center — some arriving on crutches and wearing bandages. A few emerged carrying bags or wheeling suitcases away into the parking lot.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Interesting factoid out in the EL Eh Times, seems the guy shot the guard before he started shooting at the crowd.

Uh, yeah. We've been discussing this very thing for the last five pages of this thread.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Interesting factoid out in the EL Eh Times, seems the guy shot the guard before he started shooting at the crowd.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by Sigmanic:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
Breaking news: The second shooter was D B Cooper from the gravely road.........or the dentist elf.

Do we know that Paddock isn't D.B. Cooper? It might explain how he got his money?

Could explain the dentist elf and his loyal servant abominable snowman...

The murderer was Tanya's (the Chechen ninja) prostitute husband.

a little more info, but still confusing overall

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017...police-response.html

what was going on behind the scenes with hotel security and police during the 18 minutes between Campos' shooting and the arrival of police on the shooter’s floor?

Lombardo said Campos, after he was shot on Oct. 1, “immediately” told security what happened. Campos had been on the floor investigating an alarm when he was shot, though the alarm reportedly had nothing to do Paddock.

“In close proximity of Mr. Campos being shot there was also a maintenance worker on the 32nd floor . Mr. Campos prevented him from receiving any injuries,” Lombardo added.

But Lombardo also said police didn’t know Campos was hit until responding officers arrived on-scene later.

“They weren’t aware of him being shot until they met him in the hallway after exiting the elevator,” Lombardo said.

It was not immediately clear why – or even if – Mandalay Bay security told police about Campos’ condition and what was happening on the 32nd floor of their resort.

Reports on Tuesday said about 200 bullets were fired into the Mandalay Bay hotel hallway in the volley that hit Campos. MGM Resorts, which owns Mandalay Bay, did not respond to multiple requests for comment from Fox News on Tuesday.

Requests for comment from the International Union, Security Police and Fire Professionals of America, a union that represents the Mandalay Bay Casino Security Professionals, also went unanswered.

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If Campos immediately told hotel security what happened at 959pm, the question becomes what did hotel security do w that info. Paddock hadn't even shot at the crowd yet.


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more pieces

http://www.latimes.com/nation/...-20171010-story.html

Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts:

Roberts said he didn’t know precisely what time Campos called in his own shooting before the assault on the concert began, or whether the hotel immediately passed the information to police.

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the hotel dispatched its own armed security team to the 32nd floor, which arrived “right around the same time” as Las Vegas police, who officials have said arrived on the floor at 10:17 p.m

There are no surveillance cameras in the hotel hallway, only on the floor’s elevator banks, and the timestamps on the hotel’s communications systems have in some cases been inaccurate, hampering investigators’ ability to build an accurate timeline while they try to find a motive for the gunman

“Please remember this — our focus has been all along finding if there were other unknown subjects and trying to trace his steps and trying to do all these things,” said Roberts. Compiling the sequence of events in the hallway, he said, “has not been the priority for us.”

He said officials hope to release a complete timeline on Friday.

The more I hear about this, the more I think there were some major league communication issues and the initial response was an MCF because the hotel didn't release much information to the first responders.

Is the hotel security "Red Shirts" or actual full tilt, weaponized cans o' whoopass?

Second, is the "communications center" a bunch of mall nijas, or a true blue "NORAD" operation?

Then is the whole lot of "Peter Principled" yahoos in "management" who get in the way, try to be "involved and SITREPPED" and all "HUT HUT HUT HUT HUT..." because this is what our world has become, nincompoops replacing "NON-COMS" and everything that pushes the mundane becomes a shit-show in 30 seconds.

Then, you factor this in order of magnitude everytime the incident changes to another "agency", until it hits the desk of someone who has their shit together.

So, while the SWAT guys, or even SD or LVPD guys get into the act, a good deal of time goes by.

Again, it is easy to sit and look at a clock and a time-line laid out all neat in front of you, but a whole 'nother thing when the seconds are ticking, your sitting propped in a hallway on the 32 floor, bleeding from a gunshot wound, maybe you've never had more than a drunk guest staggering in the hallway as a life challenge, trying to talk into a radio that a bunch of other ninnies are yapping on, trying to be "relevant", and the confusion of those trying to comprehend what you are trying to explain at 153 mph speech, and who knows what all else.

It's. Different.

Sitting and waiting to get off a plane and on to your connection, 15 minutes is an eternity.

Trying to work an aircraft emergency descent and landing with only 15 minutes between you making it and dying, is like a flash before your eyes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.ce31aff08025

It was not clear whether hotel security officials told police that Campos had been shot and whether that information was then relayed to officers searching the hotel — potentially critical information as the shooting unfolded

An MGM spokeswoman expressed doubts about the timeline offered by Lombardo.

“As evidenced by law enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review,” Debra DeShong, the spokeswoman, said in a statement Tuesday night.

“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publically [sic], and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”

DeShong said “it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time on what remains an open matter for law enforcement.”

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You would expect that MGM would know when their employee was shot. Maybe not to the minute, but pretty close. Maybe Friday it will all get straightened out.

Time Shifters.

That's it. Time travelers that change events, and then the Time Fixers who go back and forth and try to correct the time-lines the Time Shifters skewed.

What are the odds that the security officer had a mobile phone in addition to his radio? What about the maintenance man? What about others staying on that floor?

You mean to tell me that this guy is shot, and the assertion is that a radio call may or may not have been made, and that was it? Nobody called 911? Not the guard himself? Not the maintenance guy? Not somebody looking out their door to see what all the commotion is?

I find that hard to believe. I have been on the scene of several accidents where you get a number of people who stop but aren't really there to help. Almost all of them are on the phone with 911 at the same time.

You underestimate the idiocy that is the majority of America.

People are so self absorbed.

I have been in real world situations many times and exhibited such as I have put forth on almost all occasions.

About 80% (at least) have no idea how to react (and these were people who were trained and aware that events could occur), and the 20% (or less) who did respond, were hampered to some degree by the other group.

You can even see such in the videos that people took during the shooting in LV.

And how many times have we heard and seen people trying to video with their phones rather than make a call, or put the damned phone down and try and be part of the solution to the problem.

We are up to our armpits in useless people.

And people seem to be surprised or perplexed at the thought.

Oy....

Yep, I have had several people who were so rattled tell me afterwards that when they went to dial 911, they couldn't find the 11 key on the phone. Really, I am totally serious.

If 200 rounds were fired into the interior of the hotel at the security guard, has the trajectory and POI of those rounds been accounted for? Through the door and into the hall only?

Wow. This shit show is going to give Adelson, Wynn, and Kekorian et al quite the impetus for extra security measures being implemented in Las Vegas. If I had the scratch I'd darn sure invest in that venture. Heck of a business opportunity.

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Originally posted by sdy:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...m_term=.ce31aff08025

It was not clear whether hotel security officials told police that Campos had been shot and whether that information was then relayed to officers searching the hotel — potentially critical information as the shooting unfolded

An MGM spokeswoman expressed doubts about the timeline offered by Lombardo.

“As evidenced by law enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review,” Debra DeShong, the spokeswoman, said in a statement Tuesday night.

“We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publically [sic], and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.”

DeShong said “it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time on what remains an open matter for law enforcement.”

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You would expect that MGM would know when their employee was shot. Maybe not to the minute, but pretty close. Maybe Friday it will all get straightened out.

Here's a leaked video of the investigators at work:




Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8jphxpi1ro

Big floppy clown shoes


Let's get some real investigators on this thing. Too bad that Barney Fife retired.

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Originally posted by stoic-one:

It's funny you post this, because in the revised timeline, I was thinking "Really, 6 minutes goes by and no one is aware of 200 bullets flying around in a hotel hallway?"

I would think it would be just like in Die Hard, when John McClain shoots up Al Powell's car and he is on the radio screaming that his car is being turned into swiss cheese and to send everyone, now!

But now I see MGM is calling into the question the new (2nd) timeline.

I really do not understand why this is so hard? Are there not cameras in every elevator and every hallway? Why don't the FBI, LVPD and hotel security all sit down in the security office and review the tapes. If there is one place where a timeline should be rock solid, it should be from a hotel in Vegas.