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Originally posted by Stlhead:
What about all the movies and TV shows where the hero uses a BIC to set off the sprinklers on an entire floor or building. Are you telling me that shit is not real?

You can trip an individual sprinkler head but only that head will dispense water. There is a setup called a deluge system that sets off all heads at once, but it's used in limited applications like server and storage rooms.

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Originally posted by gw3971:
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Ughh. this post takes me back to my Mr Rogers sweater wearing high school geometry teacher telling me that one day geometry would matter.

Geometry and trig have use in the real world, but I'm still waiting for the day I need to know how to solve differential equations.

How about he shot out the side window not for a different target, but to get some cross flow ventilation. You know, to exhaust some of the smoke from the smokeless powder so he could breathe.

Our local media was making a big deal out of him having the same exact explosive as was used in New York. They were clearly implying he might have been there last year or worse, in cahoots with that bomber. Then they went on to name the explosive as being Tannerite. While not available in every neighborhood explosives store, its sold in many gun shops and almost all gun shows. Oh wait, besides being an arms bazaar (Klinton years), its now an explosives supply house. Que Queen Diane, the Hag, and bed wetter of all, our favorite New York Senator, Chuckie Schumer. Shut 'em down! Just tack them on to the bump stock legislation working its way along after being hurriedly introduced. Everyone supporting it should be named to the knee jerk hall of fame.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
... "Tanya"...Chechnya ...middle east... bump stock.

Tanya, a Chechen ninja with a prostitute husband, got a bad tip from a Russian soldier that a bump stock in the middle east would make them superstar American Ninja Worriers in Las Vegas. They've been paranoid ever since.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
All this week, we've been told repeatedly that Las Vegas has cameras everywhere, and that would include cameras in the lobby of that hotel, in the elevators and in all the hallways.

What's the big mystery? They have a time stamp for the key card use. Go look at the camera footage from that hallway at that time, or is all this stuff about "cameras everywhere" nothing but a lie?

They can account for every second of his whereabouts while in public areas of the hotel. They know if he left or arrived with anyone. All of the entrances, the entire casino, the elevators, and likely the corridors have surveillance.

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Originally posted by guardianangel762:
Since when is 15° high angle shooting?

It’s not.
My comments, and I suspect those of others who said anything about the subject, were based on flawed perceptions—as I admitted earlier:

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
(Despite my own first estimates, the up/down angle between the ground at various locations and the room was only 14-16 degrees, and would have had little effect on points of bullet impact.)

But now that everyone has gotten that settled after one of us (ahem …) actually went to the trouble of figuring out the probable angle of fire, what’s your point?

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.

Somebody pulled an alarm.

I don't know about the pull box, but you're wrong about the smoke head.

The smoke head woudld have went off int that room. and an alarm would have sounded.

Yep, Ninjas, that's it.

Crouching Accountant, Hidden Fraggon, who in the end committed ritual Revolverku.

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Originally posted by Aeteocles:
Just so we're clear. Smoke doesn't set off fire suppression. Heat does. Lots of it.

I believe that's correct. Smoke would set off an alarm. Heat would set off a sprinkler head. And pulling the fire alarm would put people on notice, but I don't think triggers the sprinkler heads either.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:
. . .Geometry and trig have use in the real world, but I'm still waiting for the day I need to know how to solve differential equations.

You'r just in the wrong profession, Sig2340. As a rancher I use my "diffey-q" daily when figuring out how long to let the water flow into my stock watering tanks.

It's also useful in figuring out where to set my intake valves in order to get the right mass flow rate into my sprinkler pipes.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.
Somebody pulled an alarm.

I don't know about the pull box, but you're wrong about the smoke head.

The smoke head woudld have went off int that room. and an alarm would have sounded.

Ok, I've been retired from Fire for a bit but what the heck is a "Smoke Head"?
are you thinking of one of these?
SPRINKLER HEAD
Those, as mentioned before, are set off by HEAT not smoke.

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Originally posted by KMitch200:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.
Somebody pulled an alarm.

I don't know about the pull box, but you're wrong about the smoke head.

The smoke head woudld have went off int that room. and an alarm would have sounded.

Ok, I've been retired from Fire for a bit but what the heck is a "Smoke Head"?
are you thinking of one of these?
SPRINKLER HEAD
Those, as mentioned before, are set off by HEAT not smoke.

Smoke head is the term we use for the replaceable module that fits into the Class E system in NYC. Commercial smoke detector would be a more common term. They have a shelf life and they are modular for easy replacement.

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Originally posted by smithnsig:

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Originally posted by SgtGold:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.

Somebody pulled an alarm.

I don't know about the pull box, but you're wrong about the smoke head.

The smoke head woudld have went off int that room. and an alarm would have sounded.

I'm not up on Nevada or local Las Vegas fire code, but I'm going to use NYC as an example. If a smoke detector is set off it's supposed to shut down whatever fan supplies that area to prevent smoke from being pulled into the return duct and then spread through the area the fan services. It should also trigger an elevator recall in the zone of the building that's serviced by the fan so in case of an evacuation the tenants are forced to use the fire stairs. This avoids getting people trapped in elevators and frees the elevators up to be used by the fire department. It also unlocks all magnetic door locks so the fire department can gain access to the space without having to break doors down.

Some buildings have touchy alarm systems, so the fire safety director keeps the building in bypass and alerts the engineering department if a device goes into alarm. We then investigate much like the security guard did to determine if it's a real fire, or a false alarm. I have personally seen two live fires in my 18 years of facility engineering. Both times the smoke detector signaled an alarm, but there wasn't enough heat to set off the sprinkler system. I have seen far more false alarms caused by a system malfunction that would have summoned the fire department if the system was set to automatically transmit every alarm.

Hotels are not wired for room door release because you don't want someone gaining access to hotel rooms by pulling a fire alarm and unlocking all the room doors. I would assume that in the event of a smoke alarm the hotels in Vegas send someone to see if it's really a fire, or someone burning toast.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.

Somebody pulled an alarm.

Really? So someone smoking in his room is going to set off the suppression system?

The sprinkler heads have a thermal element in them. Most elements burst at about 135°F. Higher temperature elements are used in special circumstances. The sprinklers would not go off unless exposed to heat and then only the sprinkler exposed to the heat would open.

The smoke would have set off a smoke alarm, not a sprinkler system. Sprinklers are on a flow switch and will set off a fire alarm but a smoke alarm will not set off a sprinkler system.

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Originally posted by Copefree:
Live press conference happening now and someone from the FBI just stepped in to speak and said they've partnered with Clear Channel to plaster "If you know something, say something" all over city billboards along with the number: 1-800-CALLFBI

It's apparent now that these guys aren't finding ANYTHING and are now desperate and scrambling.

The Hell you say

One conspiracy theory down.

Authorities investigating Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas mass killer, have yet to settle on a motive for the slaughter, but they are certain the retired accountant and heavy gambler was the sole shooter.

What they can’t confirm yet is whether anybody else knew about his planned attack before it took place.

Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department Undersheriff Kevin McMahill said Friday in a news conference that while tips and information have helped them build a “profile into the madness of this suspect,” they still don’t know why he fired a heavy stream of bullets into a crowd of concertgoers at the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

“In the past, terror attacks or mass murder incidents, motive was made very clear,” McMahill said about police examination of social media posts or evidence left at the scene. “We have looked at everything, literally, to include the suspect’s personal life, any political affiliation, his social behaviors economic situation and any potential radicalization that so many have claimed.”

He also confirmed that investigators hadn’t found any evidence to suggest that the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria was in any way responsible for the attack, despite the Muslim group’s earlier claims.

Police said they have reviewed video footage from the hotel and didn’t see anyone that they view as a suspect.

They reiterated that authorities found Tannerite, a binary explosive, in the shooter’s car but said they do not know what Paddock was planning to do with it and based on the condition it was found in, it did not resemble an IED.

They also confirmed that authorities located the second missing car, a Hyundai Tucson with Nevada plates. It was at Paddock’s house in Reno, Nev.

In a timeline of events, police confirmed that a security officer initially went up to the 32nd floor of the hotel because an alarm sounded, indicating that a door was left open.

It was there that the security guard, Jesus Campos, came under fire by the suspect, during which he was hit by a bullet in the leg.

Campos turned back and notified his dispatch of the shooter, which McMahill said was “absolutely critical” because it gave police the exact location of Paddock.

McMahill referred to Campos as a “brave and remarkable” man who police had not done a good enough job of recognizing for his heroic actions.

Aaron Rouse, of the FBI’s Las Vegas division, also detailed a campaign authorities are launching to obtain any information people may have from before, during or after the deadly attack. He said there will be billboards in the area reading “If you know something, say something,” with the phone number, 1-800-CALL-FBI.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017...oter-police-say.html

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Originally posted by Mr. Kook:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by smithnsig:
While we are at it, on the 32nd floor of a modern American hotel, smoke wouldn"t set off a fire alarm, it would have set off the fire suppression systems.

Somebody pulled an alarm.

Really? So someone smoking in his room is going to set off the suppression system?

The sprinkler heads have a thermal element in them. Most elements burst at about 135°F. Higher temperature elements are used in special circumstances. The sprinklers would not go off unless exposed to heat and then only the sprinkler exposed to the heat would open.

The smoke would have set off a smoke alarm, not a sprinkler system. Sprinklers are on a flow switch and will set off a fire alarm but a smoke alarm will not set off a sprinkler system.

Yes, I know. I'm pretty familiar with fire suppression systems actually.

But I appreciate your explanation nonetheless.

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One conspiracy theory down.

Authorities investigating Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas mass killer, have yet to settle on a motive for the slaughter, but they are certain the retired accountant and heavy gambler was the sole shooter.

Beyond having some psyche issues, maybe the shooter was just a bitter asshole. Maybe he had been for years and it just festered and became worse until he formulated a plan and vented his rage. A psychopathic rage. Maybe drugs played an ancillary role, and maybe alcohol did too. I'm kind of coming to the conclusion that there may not be much else to this. Just a fucked up bitter dude.

The question keeps being asked about how this can happen. How can someone be so hateful. Well, one part of the answer may lie in the fact that we live in a fairly hateful culture, anymore. Bitterness is often the way of things. Everything seems to end in an "ism" these days, and divisions run deep along race, religion, generation, sex and party lines. The internet is chock full of hateful and violent rhetoric with people constantly lashing out at each other. Friction has become the norm. Life has been cheapened. Media and the "news" aren't much better, and often provide more gas for the fires rather than simple information.

This is likely to be part of the root of the hate problem on some level. I have no idea how to fix this issue; it just seems to be an evolution (or devolution). It just is. I'm probably belaboring the obvious here, but maybe there isn't much more of an explanation. Maybe we shouldn't be so surprised when some clown decides to light up some locale. As horrific as it is it will simply happen from time to time in some form, and is just a byproduct of a frequently venomous society, that particularly affects the less stable. Gun control will do very little to address this.

He might just be another whackadoo who wanted his shot at immortality knowing media would make him a household name.

Anyone else think that the other reservations mentioned about the different venues over a period of time may have just been him either legitimately planning to attend those events and not going or maybe even done on purpose as part of the planning to make it seem he was looking for any venue to do his harm as opposed to a more specific venue / motive?