Because the lefists are running the game from both sides of the field.

Create restrictions, then fail to enforce them, so more restrictions are required, because the prior restrictions are not great enough.

It never has been about solutions, it is only about removing the means to defend against tyranny, so that tyranny is all that remains.

"...same as it ever was..."

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
So, once again we have a case where somebody saw something and said something. It was ignored. They'd violated the law such that they should have been prohibited from acquiring firearms legally, yet acquired them nonetheless.

The leftist gun-grabbers keep pushing and pushing and pushing and pushing from more restrictions on gun ownership, but have nothing to say when the laws on the books are not enforced and the procedures for investigating potentially dangerous people aren't followed.

We don't know yet that to be true, she could have bought them at a "gun show" using the "loophole" or directly from an individual where background checks don't have to happen.

At least haven't see a report of who sold the firearm, it is possible that the system failed in getting her information into it to prevent a sale of a new firearm(s) or not.

Same ol same will be on TeeVee, either the system failed or gun show loophole and a call for Universal Background Checks.

But it won't be on the news long since the Shooter was anti-sematic, gay, bi, multi gendered etc etc...

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Originally posted by HRK:

We don't know yet that to be true, she could have bought them at a "gun show" using the "loophole" or directly from an individual where background checks don't have to happen.

At least haven't see a report of who sold the firearm, it is possible that the system failed in getting her information into it to prevent a sale of a new firearm(s) or not.

Same ol same will be on TeeVee, either the system failed or gun show loophole and a call for Universal Background Checks.

I think the real point is that these restrictive laws just don't work. Whether the person went to a gun show or there was a failure in the background check database, it failed.

Very few crimes at all are prevented by all the restrictions. Prohibited persons who are mentally incompetent enough to somehow try to buy from a retailer and get rejected are probably not competent enough to carry out a crime anyhow if that is all it takes to keep them from getting a gun and thus preventing them from doing something violent.

People determined to do something will find a way.

We here of course have particular knowledge and interest to discuss the details, but I think in the outside world we need to change the content of debate away from the weeds of what loophole one particular criminal or whack-job fell through.

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Originally posted by HRK:
We don't know yet that to be true, she could have bought them at a "gun show" using the "loophole" or directly from an individual where background checks don't have to happen.

There is NO 'loophole', at a gun show or otherwise! Our side should NOT perpetuate this falsehood. It's just made up anti-2A propaganda! The only way for anyone to purchase a firearm w/o a background check in this country is to do so 'directly from an individual' where background checks not universally required.

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Originally posted by HRK:
We don't know yet that to be true, she could have bought them at a "gun show" using the "loophole"...

There is no such thing and I would like to hear you say that you understand this. Quotes or not, it doesn't matter. There is no such thing as a gun show loophole and we need to avoid perpetuating this gun-grabbers talking point.

In most states, individuals may engage legally in the occasional private sale of a firearm. Whether or not this occurs on the premises of a gun show, doesn't matter. Not one single bit does it matter. The sale may take place at a private residence, in a random parking lot, in an open pasture 50 miles from other human beings, on the top floor of an abandoned high rise, or any number of places, including, yes, even a gun show.

When gun grabbers talk about "closing the gun show loophole" what they are really talking about is criminalizing private sales of firearms, and they are counting on the ignorance of the general public in this regard. Please do not perpetuate this falsehood.

My understanding is unless she was convicted of any firearm charges, or was adjudicated or committed by court order, she would not be prohibited.

Without knowledge of the above, it's speculation as to her legally obtaining or possessing firearms, and I would like that narrative track to stop.

If "the system failed" to catch this, then the system seeds to be scrutinized and censured, not law abiding gun owners. (if the 4-5 woman in the interview above are factual, and I believe them)

No issue with her being a head case and a danger, but if LE, CPS, and/or the mental health folks all dropped the ball, fix that.

^^^ Wonder what kind of dirt just got dug up on the guy?

Chiefs don’t just quit.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
or was adjudicated or committed by court order.

Most people don’t get this. A federal disability is only these two things. An individual can be locked away for lengths of time in a facility. But, unless the committal was involuntary, they are not prohibited. If a judge adjudicates an individual as mentally defective, they are prohibited. However, that prohibition exists until another judge says otherwise.

Proving “mentally defective” is a much higher bar than the internet gives it credit for.

I will propose this to the pro-2A community: change the narrative, don't play on the opponent's home field.

Rather than go on the defensive about a non-existent "gun show loophole," concentrate on the reality that criminals who misuse firearms lack appropriate education in their use, and were brought up to not be respectful of their fellow man. Perhaps some would consider this "racist" in certain situations, resenting the implication that some cohort is not diligent in fulfilling their responsibilities as parents, but it is based in reality rather than some fictional construct.

I no longer choose to waste energy on discussions with people who care not about truth or logic.

I'll spend time constructively, making my bed in the morning and, cleaning my rifle afterwards.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
^^^ Wonder what kind of dirt just got dug up on the guy?

Chiefs don’t just quit.

Chiefs quit all the time, in fact most only serve as a chief for less than five years before retiring or moving on to a better paying gig. The shooting occurred more than a year ago.

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Originally posted by pulicords:

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
^^^ Wonder what kind of dirt just got dug up on the guy?

Chiefs don’t just quit.

Chiefs quit all the time, in fact most only serve as a chief for less than five years before retiring or moving on to a better paying gig. The shooting occurred more than a year ago.

I know. I didn’t spell it out. It’s seems odd that he didn’t say WHY he’s leaving.

Here's the letter in its entirety. Unspoken is the fact that undoubtedly he's worn out from spending the last year dealing with the massive fallout of a botched school shooting response that he wasn't even present for.

(He was on vacation at the time. A now-disgraced and former Lieutenant was Acting Chief at the time of the incident. Although the Chief does ultimately bear some level of responsibility for his involvement in his department lacking sufficient training.)

The burden of leadership puts him directly at fault.

https://justthenews.com/govern...anifesto-news-outlet

Judge orders FBI to provide Covenant shooter's manifesto to news outlet

Star News sued the FBI in May 2023, claiming the bureau had violated the First Amendment by rejecting multiple Freedom of Information Act requests for the manifesto.

By Ben Whedon
Published: March 15, 2024 10:08pm

A federal judge ordered the FBI to provide Covenant School shooter Audrey Hale's manifesto and other documents for a private review as part of a lawsuit from Star News Digital Media Inc., the parent company of The Tennessee Star.

"The court's order today is a significant victory for the public’s right to know about the motives of Audrey Elizabeth Hale, who murdered six innocent Nashvillians at the Covenant School on March 27, 2023," Tennessee Star Editor-in-Chief Michael Patrick Leahy said.

Star News sued the FBI in May 2023, claiming the bureau had violated the First Amendment by rejecting multiple Freedom of Information Act requests for the manifesto. Hale's March 2023 massacre targeted the Covenant School and resulted in the deaths of three students and three faculty members.

"The court also finds that the significant public interest in both the requested materials and the law enforcement objectives asserted by the FBI support in camera review and that no showing has been made that the requested materials will be so voluminous that they would pose a significant danger to judicial economy," wrote U.S. District Court Judge Aleta A. Trauger in the Friday order.

In November of last year, conservative commentator Steven Crowder published leaked pages of the manifesto that included a number of anti-white writings. Hale was a biological female that signed the journal entries under the name "Aiden."

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Originally posted by jljones:
The burden of leadership puts him directly at fault.

I wish more law enforcement administrators and supervisors understood this. So many hide behind the ignorance of "that wouldn't happen here." Others willingly accept the possibility of a major negative event, bad press, lawsuit, seven (or more) figure judgement or settlement, etc. as a hedge against a definite four or five figure training investment.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:


I wish more law enforcement administrators and supervisors understood this.

When the operation goes correctly, it’s the hard work of the boys. When it goes sideways, it’s my fault. I had an op go sideways last year. I was 5 hours away on vacation.

It was still my fault. And that’s how it has to be. The burden of being a leader and not a manager.

Tennessee Music Venue to Host ‘Trans Day Of Vengeance’ Event One Year After Nashville School Shooting

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...e-nashville-n2637086

According to The Daily Wire, the music venue, Graveyard Gallery, is hosting the concert on March 31. The proceeds will go to a group that reportedly provides so-called “gender-affirming” care, which includes puberty blockers, hormone therapy, and irreversible sex reassignment surgery (via The Daily Wire):

The party comes with Nashville schools in high alert because of the potential for violence on the anniversary of the shooting. The shooting last year came as radical transgender activists rallied for a “Trans Day of Vengeance” on the same day that year, with the Trans Radical Activist Network (TRAN) saying, “The time is now, enough is enough.”

[...]

The flyer for this year’s event says “all proceeds will be donated to Point of Pride” and that the bands include Dumpster Pussy, Dru The Drifter + The Back Alley Hookers, Boy Clothes, Spinning Lodge, and the Oitakus. It says the event is presented by Boro Fondo, a “music, art, and bike fest” that is advertising the show and asking attendees to “bring new or used chest binders to donate to Point of Pride.”

They've already had their "vengeance". I guess they think they haven't yet murdered enough children.