Andy Ngo, the target of many trans groups in Portland has been warning of this for quite a while, Trans are targeting Christians and conservatives.

It's time to label Trantifa, Antifa as domestic terrorists, and dedicate a portion of the FBI to going after these people.

Might be time to put in some laws regarding how Social media is to handled these posts and notify law enforcement immediately national and local.

During the COVID period you couldn't post a word about Ivermectin or against the jab without them catching it immediately and shutting people off.

They have the tech to do this....

https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1960776214450463019

What did his parents, friends, medical professionals, ‘authorities’, and other close associates know about his homicidal thoughts and projections and when did they know it?

I would not mind seeing them held accountable in some manner for once, if they were aware of the tragedy that was about to unfold.

Of course, that would not align with the narrative of ‘blaming the weapon’.

“Today’s killing of Christian children at a church in Minneapolis occurred in the context of a surge in far-left trans propaganda encouraging Trantifa and other leftists to take up arms to kill transphobes and ‘fascists.’”

Emphasis added because I believe that’s the true cause of these incidents, not mental illness. Mental illness may be true of specific individuals, but even if it is, where do they get their ideas? There are countless people with various types and degrees of mental illnesses, but only a tiny minority murder people for any reason.

It’s not necessary to be crazy to become motivated to murder others. The vast majority of the mass murderers in Armenia, Cambodia, China, Germany, Russia, Rwanda, Vietnam, and all the other places I didn’t mention (and just to cite the 20th century), weren’t crazy, they were indoctrinated to believe that their acts were justified for any of myriad reasons.

And why does that matter? If we don’t understand and admit what actually causes people to do horrible things, there’s no chance of preventing those things. That doesn’t necessarily make it easy to prevent those things, but proper understanding is the first step.

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Originally posted by architect:
Yes, we are learning that a high percentage are sociopaths. Perhaps transgenderism should be regarded as equivalent, or at least a contributing factor to sociopathy? It is certainly a profound mental disorder.

Gender dysphoria is a severe mental illness and used to be treated as such, which now is being humored, lauded, and actually encouraged and rewarded by a certain segment of society. It is reported he purchased his guns legally, and he transitioned in his teens. Gender dysphoria should be acknowledged as a mental illness disqualifying one from the 4473 process.

The journal translated.

https://x.com/TrumpWHUpdates/s...XegyXT2kE7xKT6g&s=19

and the thread begins to unravel...

https://x.com/nypost/status/1960773427851100356

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Originally posted by rat2306:
Well, it looks like I'll be carrying to church again this Sunday.

You should be carrying every where. The world is a dangerous place.

These people aren't trans. Actual trans people want to disappear. They want to quietly live and just be accepted by society.

"Activists" are something else, and destroying trans and lgbt rights. Frankly, the flag should have stopped at ROYGBV.

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Originally posted by rat2306:
Well, it looks like I'll be carrying to church again this Sunday.

Pretty much always except in the shower.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
“Today’s killing of Christian children at a church in Minneapolis occurred in the context of a surge in far-left trans propaganda encouraging Trantifa and other leftists to take up arms to kill transphobes and ‘fascists.’”
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I was going to say this.

These two shootings are the fault of the left’s narrative that these people are under attack and need to do something about it. No doubt this persons hate was fueled by the narrative that they are hated.

I didn’t hate Robin before today. I don’t hate trans or gay people or black people or brown people or immigrants or anybody as a general group. But holy shit a lot of them seem to hate me because the left, including leftist representatives at the highest level and media personalities tell them that I hate them.

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Originally posted by arcwelder:
These people aren't trans. Actual trans people want to disappear. They want to quietly live and just be accepted by society.

"Activists" are something else, and destroying trans and lgbt rights. Frankly, the flag should have stopped at ROYGBV.

You are wrong with this statement. Trans, in this modernity, have taken the exact same trajectory as 3rd wave feminism. The core tenet is to destroy the family unit. To tell us that lies are truth. To tell us we are mistaken. To tell us that we must accept.

There is only one truth. And they will rail against it at all cost.

^^^^^^^^^bingo

Way, way down, on the third paragraph from the end, is a little nugget that the editors failed notice. Not like it’s germane or anything. Disgusting lack of basic journalistic responsibility exhibited by the Red Star Tribune.

Two children killed, 17 wounded in a shooting at Minneapolis church

The shooter attacked children attending a Mass held to start the new school year.

By Richard Chin
The Minnesota Star Tribune
AUGUST 27, 2025 AT 8:41PM


The children of Annunciation Catholic School in south Minneapolis were engaged in the most innocent and peaceful of rituals.

Dressed in their green uniforms, they were praying at the adjacent Annunciation Church at a children’s Mass to start the school year.

The Wednesday morning liturgy had barely begun when high-velocity rifle fire — as many as 30 to 100 rounds, according to witnesses — started ripping through the windows and striking the children, leaving two dead and others wounded.

The violence, perpetrated by a 23-year-old former student, police said, tore through the tight-knit community and far beyond. What Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey referred to as “horrific violence” brought a deadly end to a summer that began with the assassination of a state legislative leader.

The shock and grief from perhaps the worst outbreak of mass violence in Minneapolis since the 2012 killings at a sign-making company that left five people dead including the shooter was felt as far away as the Vatican. More than 600 people, including Gov. Tim Walz and Sen. Amy Klobuchar, attended a vigil at the Academy of Holy Angels later Wednesday to mourn the slain students.

Slain as they sat in their pews were an 8- and a 10-year-old. Seventeen others, 14 of them children, were wounded. Seven people, including one adult, remained in critical condition, according to Hennepin Healthcare.

The injured children were between the ages of 6 and 15, according to Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O’Hara. The three injured adults were in their 80s. All the injured victims are expected to survive, O’Hara said.

The shooter, armed with a rifle, shotgun and pistol, began firing outside of the church, according to O’Hara.

Identified as 23-year-old Robin Westman, the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to police.

“This was a deliberate act of violence against innocent children and other people worshipping,” O’Hara said.

An Annunciation parent at the 8:15 a.m. Mass said students were packed into their pews when the gunfire began from outside.

“He just pepper-sprayed through the stained glass windows into the building, 50 to 100 shots,” said the parent, who did not want his name used. “This is terrible. This is evil. I don’t know how you defend against this.”

Neighbor Andy Winchell said the rapid volleys of gunfire “went on for a minute, plus.”
”It was very loud, like a ‘bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop, bop,’ " Winchell, 42, said. “We were like, ‘What was that?’ ”

The shooting stopped. Then came silence, broken by the sirens of emergency vehicles.

“All of a sudden you hear sirens from everywhere,” Winchell said.
Soon, frantic parents were abandoning their cars on side streets and running to the school, crying for their children.

“The parents were parking on the street by me coming out screaming, asking where their kids are,” said Madee Brandt, 24, a nanny who was driving to work near the church when her vehicle was boxed in by police vehicles.

Traumatized children, some crying, some bleeding, began to emerge from the church.

One little boy walked between his mom and dad, holding a stuffed animal. A Hennepin County sheriff’s deputy hugged a despondent parent in the middle of Diamond Lake Road. Another little boy, crying and walking from the scene, was heard saying to his father, “I don’t feel safe.”

“Both my kids have blood on them,” said Renee Lego, an Annunciation parishioner who has a fifth-grader and eighth-grader at Annunciation Catholic School. She said her older son thought it was fireworks or a gas explosion until he started to see people falling.

“It’s just horrific — so cowardly. This person knew this was our first all-school Mass of the year. It was obviously planned. This is the children’s Mass, not an advertised Mass for the public," Lego said.

Kristen Painter, business editor for the Minnesota Star Tribune, has a second-grade daughter and a preschool son at the school. Her son was sick and stayed home from school Wednesday. After dropping her daughter off and getting to work, Painter got word of the shooting.

She rushed to the school and was brought into the basement gymnasium with other parents to reunite with their children. Many students were crying, Painter said, while others were silent and looked terrified. Children and teachers had dropped to the floor during the shooting, taking cover under the pews.

Speaking to students, parents and staff, the school principal, Matt DeBoer, said teachers and older children tried to shield the younger students from harm.

“It could have been significantly worse without their heroic action,” he said.

Familiar pain

Elected officials and community leaders decried the violence.

“Don’t just say this is about thoughts and prayers right now,” Frey said. “These kids were literally praying. It was the first week of school.”

Walz spoke with President Donald Trump on Wednesday morning about the shooting, according to a source familiar with the call. Trump called to offer his condolences to Minnesotans, the source said, and Walz thanked him for his support.

“I’m praying for our kids and teachers whose first week of school was marred by this horrific act of violence,” Walz said.

Within five hours of the shooting, Trump ordered that American flags throughout the country be flown at half-staff until sunset Sunday.
Meanwhile, families rushed to HCMC, where many of the injured were taken. Denise Roberts was among the first.

Her grandson, Endre Gunter Jr., was shot in the stomach. “A girl next to him got hit in the head,” Roberts said. “He’s groggy, but he’s resting.”

She added that her daughter-in-law, Danielle Gunter, was in shock. “I don’t know if she will ever let Endre out of her sight again,” Roberts said.

Suspected shooter

Law enforcement later identified the suspected shooter as Westman, of Richfield.

A video posted Wednesday on a YouTube channel that appears to have belonged to Westman displays four guns, ammunition, a letter to family and friends and clothing the narrator apparently planned to wear “tomorrow.”

The firearms shown are a rifle, a shotgun and two handguns. At times menacing and laughing maniacally, and at other times quietly apologizing to family, the narrator speaks about plans to injure children without remorse, invoking the names of a multinational investment company, an oil company and a beer company, as well as a Second Amendment activist running for Congress in Texas.

Words, phrases and drawings had been scrawled in marker all over the weapons and magazines, some of the messages antisemitic, one reading “kill Donald Trump.”

There are references to a pedophile and a rapist, and hostility toward Christianity, including the image of Jesus on a shooting target and phrases scrawled on the guns such as, “Where’s your God now?”

The guns Westman allegedly used were lawfully purchased, according to O’Hara.

Police executed four search warrants Wednesday, one for the church and the other three at nearby residences related to the suspected shooter, and “additional firearms [were] recovered from there as we speak,” O’Hara said.

Public records show Westman’s father, James Westman, owns a home in south Minneapolis, less than one mile from Annunciation. Police were stationed outside the home, which was cordoned off with crime scene tape.

Westman’s mother seemed distraught when she answered a call but told a Minnesota Star Tribune reporter she did not know if her child was the shooter. It appears she has ties to Annunciation. The church said in a 2021 Facebook post announcing her departure that she provided “wonderful hospitality.”

A 2017 Annunciation yearbook showed that Westman, who went by Robert at the time, attended the school for at least one year.

FBI Director Kash Patel said his agency is “investigating this shooting as an act of domestic terrorism and hate crime targeting Catholics.”

The Rev. Bernard Hebda, archbishop of the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis, said that prayers have been coming in to the archdiocese from the pope and “so many from all around the globe, all praying for the families of Annunciation Parish and School and for all who were impacted by this morning’s senseless violence.”

I'm gonna echo Arc here. Maybe because of where I live, and the circles I hang out in, but I've known a few trans people, and most of them want to be left alone to live their lives. They're not violently deranged or anything, any more that any of us are.

As always, it's the fringes, and that's who get targeted for exploitation by the leftists. They'll snag them young, and start telling them everyone is out to get them, literally Nazis are going to round them up, throw them in camps, execute them. They feed into their mental illnesses, keep them in a never ending state of agitation and fear, hoping for the day they snap and walk into a school. Then of course they disavow any association with the shooter, make all the appropriate "oh this is just terrible and not what we want!" sounds, all while trolling the internet for more damaged individuals to turn into time bombs.

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Originally posted by rat2306:
Well, it looks like I'll be carrying to church again this Sunday.

Pretty much always except in the shower.

Beginning to look that way. Churches and church operated schools still give the appearance of very soft targets much to the chagrin of many. Doesn't help that the perp and family had ties to this school. Makes it even sadder.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:
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It’s not necessary to be crazy to become motivated to murder others. The vast majority of the mass murderers in Armenia, Cambodia, China, Germany, Russia, Rwanda, Vietnam, and all the other places I didn’t mention (and just to cite the 20th century), weren’t crazy, they were indoctrinated to believe that their acts were justified for any of myriad reasons.
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If you doubt this, read Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning.

It is one of the most disturbing books I've ever read.

So how many transgender schools shootings have we had in the last 5 years?

Trying to find out on the internet is not helpful, it is mostly MSM saying the right is claiming more trans shootings than actually happened.

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Churches and church operated schools still give the appearance of very soft targets much to the chagrin of many. Doesn't help that the perp and family had ties to this school. Makes it even sadder.

Yes. Schools and churches...
Catholic schools make soft targets because they've always been open, welcoming places.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Trying to find out on the internet is not helpful, it is mostly MSM saying the right is claiming more trans shootings than actually happened.

I read one left wing analysis a couple months ago that in order to minimize the numbers looked at mass shooting going all the way back to 1974, but of course those identifying as trans only occurs in recent years. With no trans ID's or stats from the 1970's, 80's, 90's, etc., of course it will make the numbers look very small. A better measure would be to just look at the last few years, but they don't like those results.

An even better stat would be to look at whether the trans group is under represented or over represented in the mass shooter category. Less than one percent of adults identify as trans, so is the recent percentage of trans mass shooters less than 1% of total mass shooters?