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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
Yeah, suppressor, and running ammo that wouldn’t cycle the gun, so he had to cycle it manually. He didn’t seem surprised about it, either, he knew he would have to and just went to work. So, subsonic ammo and no supersonic crack. Intentional hit, and a shooter trying to keep his signature minimal. Damn.

^^^^^^^”…just went to work!” As close to a real professional hit that I have ever seen on the news.

Evidence at the scene of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson murder show the words "deny," "depose" and "defend" written on live rounds and casings left behind
https://www.foxnews.com/us/uni...ullet-casings-report

Book with similar name "Delay, Deny, Defend" on insurance companies denying insurance claims...

Do you think your insurance policy has your property protected from life's many mishaps? That those premiums you pay every month guarantee you the help you need when you need it? That your insurance company is a benevolent entity that strives to pay claims fairly and promptly? Think again. Your insurer's main objective is not to protect you; in fact, insurers often try to avoid paying justified claims. Today the name of the game is delay, deny, defend: to improve their profits, insurance companies delay payment of justified claims, deny payment altogether, and defend their actions by forcing claimants to enter litigation.

https://delaydenydefend.com/

What if the shooter is a member here and has read and commented on this thread?

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Originally posted by Tommydogg:
What if the shooter is a member here and has read and commented on this thread?

I'd like to think they would have done a better job!

The more I look at this situation, it looks like the TV version of a hit vs the work of an actual "pro" or competent shooter.

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Originally posted by Poacher:

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Much like how if you were to just take a Glock or Sig, stick a threaded barrel in it, and then thread a big heavy suppressor on the end with no booster, the gun won't cycle properly.

I have a G21 that performs without issue with a Rugged Obsidian, which is a very large can.

Because your Obsidian 45 has this piston/booster as part of its design:

His wife told police that he had been receiving threats. Here's what I don't understand. He was a very rich man, worth hundreds of millions. The most extensive security possible would have been a pittance to him. Why was he walking alone in NYC? For that matter, why did he not send security to watch his home and family?

Definitely not a pro. A pro would have put 2 rounds center of mass and one round in his head. And he would have attached an ejected shell catcher, which would also have caught the ejected rounds. And -- a round in the leg? Back in the day, if a Mafia hitman did that, that cocoots would never be seen again.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Curiouser and curiouser. The assassin seems to have left a message on the ejected shells, and the ejected rounds. See what you make of it.


https://nypost.com/2024/12/05/...d-in-murder-sources/

3rd time posted in 8 hours...

https://x.com/NYPDnews/status/1864706407985221974

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Originally posted by justjoe:
Definitely not a pro. A pro would have put 2 rounds center of mass and one round in his head. And he would have attached an ejected shell catcher, which would also have caught the ejected rounds. And -- a round in the leg? Back in the day, if a Mafia hitman did that, that cocoots would never be seen again.

Definitely not a pro. Too much evidence left behind. The messages on the casings may give him some additional level of satisfaction, but they don't help him get away with it.
The DNA on the coffee and water bottles likely will eventually convict him.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
https://x.com/NYPDnews/status/1864706407985221974

Is that the same guy? In the photo Para posted yesterday at 7:36PM, his backpack straps are a much lighter color.

A former NYPD inspector offers his opinions...

Former NYPD inspector 'skeptical' UnitedHealthcare CEO gunman was professional, zeroes in on weapon of choice

By Stepheny Price
Fox News

Former NYPD inspector and Fox News Contributor Paul Mauro said the type of weapon used by the gunman who murdered UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson outside a Midtown Manhattan Hilton hotel Wednesday could work to police's advantage, and addressed rumors the suspect may have worked as a hitman.

"The speculation is that it's a hit man, it's a professional killer and all this sort of stuff…I would just hesitate on that and tell people to just be mindful of the fact that professional hitmen primarily exist in the movies. They don't really exist," Mauro told Fox News Digital. Mauro says everything we know at this point is just speculation.

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"What we know so far is that he was very calm, he clearly knew the route…it doesn't mean it wasn't a murder for hire. Those things do happen. The idea that this is a ‘professional shooter’ I am skeptical of," Mauro said.

Mauro said what makes this case even more interesting is the type of gun that was used.

"Now he looks like he's got either a very long barrel or a silencer. Silencers are de facto illegal, and they're very, very hard to come by. So a lot of them are homemade. That said, it could just be a long barrel gun," Mauro described. "The gun appears to need to be racked after each shot. Unusual." He added that there are guns like that, and they're designed to suppress the sound, but that there are also add-on features that can be added to keep the slide of a semiautomatic gun from wrecking. "That means that after you shoot, you're going to have to rack the slide of the gun in order to shoot again. He does that in the video, which argues that he may have added, and he may have modified the gun because these are sort of after market things that you can add to the gun," Mauro said.

"So what I would say is, is somebody with a familiarity with guns and, particularly, this gun looks to be a rare type of gun. And that's a data point that the police can chase down."

Multiple law enforcement contacts told Fox News that they believed the weapon used in the murder resembled a "Welrod", a bolt action, suppressed pistol first used in WW2. "I’d bet my pension that this is the weapon that was used on the United CEO. It’s very, very quiet and requires manual cycling after each round is fired. Top choice by pros for up-close, quiet work," the source told Fox News.

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Backpack seems to look a bit like a Peak Design everyday backpack.

Praying that they catch this disgusting rat.

Silent

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Originally posted in the article posted by kkina:
Silencers are de facto illegal, and they're very, very hard to come by.

maybe in NY City. I've got about 3 stores within 30 miles of me which sell legal silencers. Just need to do some paperwork and you are GTG (in my state).

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Multiple law enforcement contacts told Fox News that they believed the weapon used in the murder resembled a "Welrod", a bolt action, suppressed pistol first used in WW2. "I’d bet my pension that this is the weapon that was used on the United CEO. It’s very, very quiet and requires manual cycling after each round is fired. Top choice by pros for up-close, quiet work," the source told Fox News.

Oh for fuck's sake...

Whoever this unnamed "law enforcement contact" jagoff is, they clearly don't know shit about guns, or "pros".

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...d-deny-defend-depose

Recent data from Lending Tree shows that UnitedHealthcare had some of the highest claim denial rates by any insurance company in the US.

Well we know he’s not Goodcat.

Graph was posted earlier, I missed it, UHC is the worst company on paying out claims double the industry average.

The shooter probably researched how to pull this off, silencers, make your own 3d printer parts, everything in order to attempt to improve odds of getting away on the internet, could have had help, or most likely a lone wolf with an axe to grind.

Maybe Grandma's claims were not approved and she went into bankruptcy, lost everything over the bills.

If I was the CEO of a medical group where grandma was cared for and went after her for the balance I'd be upping my security team until they find the guy.

Ian from Forgotten Weapons has already commented that he doesn't believe the pistol used was a welrod or purpose built suppressed/silenced weapon.

Having dealt with NYPD Cops and lived/shot in NY for several decades, most are not familiar with suppressed weapons and their employment. In NY are illegal for private ownership and most LE organizations don't employ them except with specialized units.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

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Multiple law enforcement contacts told Fox News that they believed the weapon used in the murder resembled a "Welrod", a bolt action, suppressed pistol first used in WW2. "I’d bet my pension that this is the weapon that was used on the United CEO. It’s very, very quiet and requires manual cycling after each round is fired. Top choice by pros for up-close, quiet work," the source told Fox News.

Oh for fuck's sake...

Whoever this unnamed "law enforcement contact" jagoff is, they clearly don't know shit about guns, or "pros".

Thought you'd like that.