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Originally posted by k5blazer:
“I can invoke additional powers," Lujan Grisham said. "No constitutional right, in my view, including my oath, is intended to be absolute."

So doesn't that mean her powers are not absolute either?

This is EXACTLY why the 2nd Amendment exists. To prevent leaders from violating the Constitution based on their own twisted interpretation and forcing draconian laws upon citizens without due process.

You can't randomly declare an emergency, put a law in place that YOU can decide to renew in 30 days, and have everyone blindly accept it.

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New Mexico Republican legislators call for Dem Gov. Grisham's impeachment after gun order: 'She's rogue'

Published September 9, 2023 8:00pm EDT
By Adam Sabes | Fox News

Two Republican members of the New Mexico State House of Representatives are calling for Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham to be impeached after she temporarily suspended open and concealed carry across Albuquerque and the surrounding Bernalillo County for at least 30 days.

Grisham on Thursday said she needed to respond to recent gun-related deaths, which include an 11-year-old boy who was shot and killed while outside a minor league baseball stadium on Wednesday night.

The suspension of open and concealed carry was classified as an emergency public health order.

"When New Mexicans are afraid to be in crowds, to take their kids to school, to leave a baseball game — when their very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn — something is very wrong," Lujan Grisham said in a statement.

Republican state Reps. Stefani Lord and John Block announced on Saturday they are calling for the governor to be impeached.

"I am calling on counsel to begin the impeachment process against Governor Grisham," Lord said. "This is an abhorrent attempt at imposing a radical, progressive agenda on an unwilling populous. Rather than addressing crime at its core, Governor Grisham is restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners. Even Grisham believes this emergency order won’t prohibit criminals from carrying or using weapons; a basic admission that this will only put New Mexicans in danger as they won’t be able to defend themselves from violent crime."

Speaking with Fox News Digital, Lord said that Grisham is a "rogue governor."

"She put this emergency order together and it violates her oath. And she's supposed to be protecting and defending the rights of New Mexico, she can't just raise her hand one day and say, I promise to uphold this oath and promised to protect the people of New Mexico and the Constitution, and then just one day decide, oh, just kidding," Lord said.

Block told Fox News Digital that there "is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."

"It is an absolutely flagrant attack on law-abiding citizens who she is targeting with this order, and she is trying to force litigation and waste more taxpayer dollars while doing it, because New Mexicans are the ones that are going to have to pay the legal bills on this, not her personally."

The National Association for Gun Rights and Foster Haines, a resident of Albuquerque, announced on Saturday they filed a lawsuit against Grisham and New Mexico Secretary of Health Patrick Allen, arguing the emergency order is unconstitutional. They are asking for a temporary restraining order against the measure to be issued.

"Gov. Luhan Grisham is throwing up a middle finger to the Constitution and the Supreme Court," said Dudley Brown, President of the National Association for Gun Rights.

Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., weighed in on Grisham's executive order, saying it's unconstitutional.

"I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution," Lieu said on X, formerly known as Twitter.

David Hogg, who advocates for stricter gun laws, said on X "I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."

Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said after the order was issued that he has concerns.

"While I understand and appreciate the urgency, the temporary ban challenges the foundation of our constitution, which I swore an oath to uphold," Allen said. "I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense."

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Somebody call 911. I'm having a stroke reading what those 2 scumbags opine.

On second thought, never mind. Even a broken clock....

Do those quotes sound like BS to anyone else?

I wish newspapers would give citations when they make those.

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Originally posted by Rightwire:
Just out of curiosity, since this little public health order was passed, did all shootings drop to zero?

By the way, how on earthy can a public health order be used for a ban on anything in society?

Creatively. For example, in Florida, COVID was declared a “Hazard to Navigation”. Because of this, my county was going to close all the boat ramps, except they got push back and changed their minds at the last minute.

Title 18, 18 U.S.C. § 241: Conspiracy Against Rights:

Section 241 makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree to injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in the United States in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States or because of his or her having exercised such a right.

Those three people on the dais in the video interview are conspiring to intimidate lawful citizens from exercising and enjoying their protected rights and therefore are committing a crime themselves.

If there's any doubt there, the NM governor should look at what happened after Katrina in NoLA and see that the city tried the same thing and lost all cases in court (and officials went to jail).

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Originally posted by 12131:
Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., weighed in on Grisham's executive order, saying it's unconstitutional.

"I support gun safety laws. However, this order from the Governor of New Mexico violates the U.S. Constitution. No state in the union can suspend the federal Constitution. There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution," Lieu said on X, formerly known as Twitter.

David Hogg, who advocates for stricter gun laws, said on X "I support gun safety but there is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution."

Notice how exactly alike both statements are, I mean, they're not getting a script from the Democrat Party, right? Nahhh.

It is possible that the idiot governor pissed off the party leaders for bringing far too much attention and controversy, instead of incremental gun control.

I imagine the reason Hogg and Ted Lieu are pushing back is because they know turnabout is fair play. And if they let this stand, then any governor can suspend anybody’s rights and it gets really ugly from there. When even leftist radicals, see Third World conditions gathering then you know how much of an overreach that executive order was.

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Originally posted by oddball:


Notice how exactly alike both statements are, I mean, they're not getting a script from the Democrat Party, right? Nahhh.

It is possible that the idiot governor pissed off the party leaders for bringing far too much attention and controversy, instead of incremental gun control.

I noticed that right off as well. Couldn't be sure if it was just a coincidence or not. Though things nowadays it seems are rarely simply a coincidence.

If I lived there, I would carry anyways since the county sheriff said he would not enforce the ban! Time to kick the governor out of office!

^^^First, you'd be well advised to reread the statement by the County Sheriff because that's NOT what he said, and second, the Executive Order stated that it would be enforced by the State Police.

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Originally posted by PGT:
Title 18, 18 U.S.C. § 241: Conspiracy Against Rights:

Section 241 makes it unlawful for two or more persons to agree to injure, threaten, or intimidate a person in the United States in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured by the Constitution or laws of the United States or because of his or her having exercised such a right.

Those three people on the dais in the video interview are conspiring to intimidate lawful citizens from exercising and enjoying their protected rights and therefore are committing a crime themselves.

If there's any doubt there, the NM governor should look at what happened after Katrina in NoLA and see that the city tried the same thing and lost all cases in court (and officials went to jail).

Exactly! When government officials knowingly enact something they reasonably should know is unConstitutional it is a crime, and they should be held personally responsible.

The idea of immunity or of the taxpayer footing legal costs only makes sense when it isn't obvious beforehand. I would put the recent squelching of 1A rights during 5he pandemic on the same footing as this governess' EO, and prosecute Biden, Fauci, and their minions.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I imagine the reason Hogg and Ted Lieu are pushing back is because they know turnabout is fair play. And if they let this stand, then any governor can suspend anybody’s rights and it gets really ugly from there. When even leftist radicals, see Third World conditions gathering then you know how much of an overreach that executive order was.

Leftists never seem to see it coming until it is too late, when they are in the gulag and don't know why. I doubt they are worried about their rights or the future of the USA. More like this is a political calculation, and probably they are involved in some coordinated way.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
I imagine the reason Hogg and Ted Lieu are pushing back is because they know turnabout is fair play. And if they let this stand, then any governor can suspend anybody’s rights and it gets really ugly from there.

It's unexpected, nonetheless. Leftists tend not to think that far ahead. If there's any demographic that seems never to have learned "be careful what you wish for" and "beware the rule of unintended consequences," it's the hard left.

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Originally posted by oddball:
Notice how exactly alike both statements are, ...

Wouldn't be the first time somebody posted something, somebody else of a like mind saw it, thought "Yeah...", mildly edited it, and posted. Happens all the time.

Hell, there've been many times, here on SF, I've meant to comment, found somebody had already used my exact words, and had to come up with a different way to express the same thing so I wouldn't look like I was parroting somebody else.

Put another way: Not everything that looks like a conspiracy is a conspiracy

I have read all five pages so I may have missed it, however, under what legal authority does she think she has to make this deceleration?
Is there some sort of unknown power she thinks she has that at the stroke of a pen she can make law enforcement enforce this.

If there is no law to back her up wouldn't law enforcement just be wasting their time arresting people with nothing to charge them with then this opens them up to massive law suits.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Put another way: Not everything that looks like a conspiracy is a conspiracy

10, 12 years ago, a friend of mine was running for a school board seat, never ran in an election before. She was running on a platform of getting back to basics, financial accountability, getting rid of Common Core, etc. She was verbally attacked, her husband, my best friend, was attacked as a racist. Lawn signs with her name were disappearing. The NAACP sent people to school board meetings highlighting the candidates. A friend of hers got a hold of a memo, on paper, that emphasized phrases and words for the opposing incumbent candidate to use, one of them was "common sense gun laws". The memo came from the regional office of the Democrat Party.

So when ever I see Democrats use the same exact phrase, the same wording, no matter what region of the country they live in, I always suspect that the words are derived from committee and relayed to politicians, candidates, and likely media outlets as well.

Tucker Carlson used to regularly run segments on his Fox News program highlighting exactly this! He'd play video snippets where a dozen (or more) Democrat operatives (elected politicians, commentators, news analysts, and legacy state media talking heads) were all spouting the EXACT same phrases/key words in response to the latest new thing/narrative the left wanted control or destroy. It was quite obvious that there were 'talking points' that everyone was universally proclaiming in lockstep, right down to VERY specific key phrases and key words...It's DEFINITELY a thing!