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Good point, TigerDore. It MIGHT happen, but it gets shut down pretty damned quick without the need for repeated demonstrations or lessons.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by erj_pilot:
Shit like this (referring to pic on page) don't happen in Texas for obvious reasons. /QUOTE]

It just happened in TX last week. Good Guys 1, Bad guys 0.

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Originally posted by bigdeal:

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Originally posted by Ackks:
I never felt a camera was needed in my truck, but it may be time.

Just remember what a police officer friend always reminds me about cameras. They can potentially exonerate you, or they can be used to sink you. I'm good without one.

I need to think about such a camera.

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Originally posted by tleddy:
When you are in your home and see someone preparing an incendiary device to use on your home, at what point is use of deadly force justified?

First flick of a Bic - BOOM!

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Originally posted by sdy:
from the video above

My first and immediate reaction to seeing this photo was that if I were in that blue pickup I would have had my right foot on the floor and if possible would have also swerved to the right after running over the fucktard in front threatening my life as well as the piece of shit to the right.

Parabellum is right, we're getting there, and Indianapolis is close enough that it should make folks here sit up and take notice.

The storm is coming.

Dragging a motorcycle down the street under the bumper of your truck is one thing. Dragging a body down the street under your truck is something else altogether. I think the driver of that pickup made the only prudent decision there was to be made.

Justified or not in self-defense, he made the right choice.

Sooner or later, though, we're going to be witnesses to something gruesome. One or more of these little shits is going to find out that a firearm is not a magic talisman against two tons of motor vehicle.

Indeed.

It was my reaction.

He was right to back away.

That was a very powerful video capture.

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pick up truck video - I thought a lot about how I would have reacted in that pick up. Every bone in my body would have screamed run these fuckers into the ground.

But I would not have done that. It came close to the edge that would trigger extreme violent action, but it stopped short. Once you take action like that, your life is forever changed.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Dragging a motorcycle down the street under the bumper of your truck is one thing. Dragging a body down the street under your truck is something else altogether. I think the driver of that pickup made the only prudent decision there was to be made.

Justified or not in self-defense, he made the right choice.

Sooner or later, though, we're going to be witnesses to something gruesome. One or more of these little shits is going to find out that a firearm is not a magic talisman against two tons of motor vehicle.

There was the incident where rioters diverted a FEDEX truck onto a surface street, then mobbed it, breaking into both of the tandem trailers, while others pointed pistols at the driver.

The driver understandably hit the horn and drove off to escape. A thief fell from the front trailer, was caught on his clothing, and dragged to death, slowly being pulled under the front wheels of the rear unit.

He stopped to report what happened a mile or so later. The police thanked him for stopping, made a report, and let him go.

We will see more examples of death by vehicle involving idiots with guns who threaten the drivers. Then we’ll see more cases of drivers defending themselves with a gun.

Admittedly, i did not look first at the video. The driver was right to back away; wish he had just turned around and gone back entirely at first chance, rather than try to drive around.


Don't know if anyone here remembers the riots in Detroit. My parents and I were caught in them, trying to go home from church. A sniper atop the false front of a store put a round through the roof of my parent's car and, as we were trying to get away, an armored car rolled up and blew away the false front and the sniper.


That was a powerful video capture.

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:
Parabellum is right, we're getting there, and Indianapolis is close enough that it should make folks here sit up and take notice.

The storm is coming.

I live a few miles west of Indianapolis city limits. I haven't gone downtown since before this started, except once to a restaurant on Mass Ave which is north east of downtown.

I didn't know about this protest on Thursday so thanks for posting it. Indiana self defense laws and gun rights in general are very good, though South Bend's "assault weapons ban" despite state pre-emption gives us some negative marks. We have one of the highest population percentages of carry permits in the country so there's a good chance the driver of the truck was armed.

The rioters haven't tried much outside of the Indy downtown area because they know what will happen if they do. The surrounding counties won't tolerate it, neither law enforcement or citizens. An attempted push to the suburbs will be dealt with swiftly and harshly. If that escalates things...

Laser goggles might be something to consider if you think your neighborhood could be a target of shenanigans.

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Originally posted by sdy:
from the video above

Dude should have stepped on the gas and pancaked that guy.

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Dude should have stepped on the gas and pancaked that guy.

With the benefits of hindsight, no he shouldn't have, he's alive and not fighting a court case. Look at that pansy holding the gun, I'd worry more about an accidental discharge than him shooting me.

Only criticism I have is the multi point turn he makes. I would have backed out where it still left option to floor it forward or backwards.

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Originally posted by 380Swift:
Dude should have stepped on the gas and pancaked that guy.

...said the guy sitting safely at home.

Shit can go south in an instant.

A co-worker about ten years ago, Murfreesboro Road, Nashville. He simply picked the wrong street to turn around on after passing the restaurant he was looking for... Much like the event being discussed here now, a thug stepped in front of his car and pointed a gun at him. He thinks fuck this, and hit the gas. In that instant the thug and an unnoticed second thug opened fire, the second thug through the passenger side window. Thug one seemed to miss as he scrambled to avoid getting run over. Thug two landed hits on both my co-worker and his wife. She's a vegetable, he lived but was never able to return to work.

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Originally posted by Sig2340:

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Dragging a motorcycle down the street under the bumper of your truck is one thing. Dragging a body down the street under your truck is something else altogether. I think the driver of that pickup made the only prudent decision there was to be made.

Justified or not in self-defense, he made the right choice.

Sooner or later, though, we're going to be witnesses to something gruesome. One or more of these little shits is going to find out that a firearm is not a magic talisman against two tons of motor vehicle.

There was the incident where rioters diverted a FEDEX truck onto a surface street, then mobbed it, breaking into both of the tandem trailers, while others pointed pistols at the driver.

The driver understandably hit the horn and drove off to escape. A thief fell from the front trailer, was caught on his clothing, and dragged to death, slowly being pulled under the front wheels of the rear unit.

He stopped to report what happened a mile or so later. The police thanked him for stopping, made a report, and let him go.

We will see more examples of death by vehicle involving idiots with guns who threaten the drivers. Then we’ll see more cases of drivers defending themselves with a gun.

It was in St. Louis City and happened during the first couple nights of rioting. We were really surprised Kim Gardner didn't try to charge the driver.....even though the police report completely exonerated him.

In Indiana, we have the Castle doctrine that also applies to a vehicle which is occupied. In other words, you can protect yourself from an immediate threat and deadly use of force is authorized when facing a deadly force and you are in fear for your life.

Just because you are legally justified in using deadly force, does not mean you should. As satisfying as it might be to see those two assholes become road hash, every situation is different. Echoes from a training officer from 50 years ago: Never let your ego get control of your gun (or your gas pedal). One thing is for certain. Once you use deadly force, it changes your life, forever. Sometimes discretion, de-escalation, or avoidance of conflict, takes the day.

This actually happened July 4th, in the town where I work. I didn't post it then because it was at a time when we weren't supposed to; there was no actual violence, so it didn't really fit; I was not there, having had advance knowledge and purposely avoiding the area; and it was difficult to find an article that was not biased and/or sensationalized. This was the least bad article. https://www.wjhl.com/news/loca...-counter-protesters/

You'll notice in the video a number of Elizabethton PD officers who weren't going to take any crap from anybody. The likelihood of violence reaching here is very low … but not zero.

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