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semi-reformed sailor |
And he had a warrant. But they gonna riot anyway, cause that’s what they do...doesn’t matter that didndonuffin, was wrong-resisting....they just don’t get that by complying, you won’t get hurt And I’ve never understood the grabbing of fingers and then trying to handcuff....we were taught to place the right arm thru the suspects arm and creae an arm bar against the suspects upper right arm and then handcuff, one wrist at a time. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Glorious SPAM! |
If you want to fight the police, you need to do it in a court of law and not on the side of the road. One fight you may win, the other fight you'll always lose. | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Damn. I’m sorry but at this point in the evolution of policing I find it difficult to imagine a justifiable excuse for taser/gun confusion. This is not even close to a new problem. Poor training/policy from the department? I could believe. An officer that didn’t have the presence of mind to keep calm enough under stress? I do not see a good ending. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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Did that perp really think he was going to get away? I too wonder if we'll find out he had a pistol in the car. His facebook has a pic of him with one. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
“ According to KARE 11 reporter Chris Hrapsky, Daunte Wright had an outstanding warrant for gross misdemeanor carrying a pistol without a permit and misdemeanor fleeing police. The warrant was issued on April 2 after he failed to appear for court, Hrapsky said.” Link | |||
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+1 Nothing good is going to happen to the officer. I’m guessing that he in fact had a gun in the car seeing as though his failure to appear warrant was for fleeing from the police with an unlicensed firearm. One loser who probably just arrived at his destiny a little faster than scheduled due to poor training and negligence. _________________________ "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile - hoping it will eat him last” - Winston Churchil | |||
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Neither do I but it has happened before. Judge dismisses case against Lawrence police officer who shot man, says evidence does not show she acted recklessly “To consciously disregard something, one must be aware of it,” Kittel said. “There is no evidence that the defendant consciously disregarded a substantial and unjustifiable risk … She meant to use her Taser.” https://www2.ljworld.com/news/...he-acted-recklessly/ | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
Oh, I’m aware of similar (and worse) not being prosecuted. Not too many years ago, this (and worse) most likely wouldn’t even be charged to begin with. There are some mind-boggling stories of accidents in this vein through the years. I knew a horrible sergeant that eventually became a police chief and then a magistrate that killed a woman in a similar situation in a different era. But it’s a different atmosphere. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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I haven't watched it in great detail but it sounds like she called out that she was shooting him with a Taser but actually had a gun in her hand so that's that. They are now calling it an accident. ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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The first mistake the LEO made was trying to cuff him in front of an open drivers door. Move the perp to the rear/trunk area to mitigate access to the vehicle's interior and/or escape in car. (as well as minimizing any communication with other passengers in vehicle) And of course it all went downhill from there. | |||
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Be prepared for loud noise and recoil |
I wouldn’t blame any officer who decided it just wasn’t worth it to be a cop anymore. “Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant.” – James Madison "Keep your fears to yourself, but share your courage with others." - Robert Louis Stevenson | |||
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| semi-reformed sailor |
I sometimes wonder if me having a stroke and having to retire early was Gods way of keeping me safe. I know for sure my old department has turned completely woke and there is no real policing anymore. "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
If the decedent had cooperated and gone to jail like a man, he might be alive. This requires understanding and accepting the idea that actions have consequences, something I wager he never got taught by his parents. Watching the badge camera video was enlightening. You could almost see the everlasting Bright Light of Reality pop on in the officer's head when she realized she'd just shot, not tazered, a fighting, fleeing criminal. I note also that she damned near shot the other officer in that melee. And now, not only is she living with the realization of shooting and killing someone, she is living with the realization that she is in serious legal jeopardy and she and her family (husband, kids, parents) are in even more serious personal jeopardy when they get doxxed, which they will. None of that is grounds for the rioting and vandalism that will hit urban centers every night this week. It does not justify the vile invective that will be spewed by the far left and the people who believe that our nation is fundamentally racist. I'm guessing that by the end of the week there will be about $100B in losses, the southern border will striped of resources sent to quell riots, and Iran will do something stupid because... well why the hell not? Biden is focused on cookies and milk time, Harris is destroying our nation with people crossing the southern border. I'd also like to toss another issue out there. In my opinion, this is why the Tazer should not have grip ergonomics that are even remotely similar to a pistol. I know I'll get flamed for saying that, but if the Tazer was shaped completely differently than a pistol, perhaps her mid-brain would have realized she had a pistol in her hand when that was not what she intended. And before people say it, I do believe the reason for the Tazer design is to capitalize on the training officers get with firearms. Rather than have to learn two wholly different systems with the attendant duration of training needed to begin developing the two different neural impressions that are muscle memory, the idea is the grip-point-aim-shoot of a Tazer uses some of the muscle memory gained in pistol training. If I was the Tazer CEO, I'd be meeting with my chief designer/engineer right now. In defense of my statement I offer this image from the Axon website:  Hmmm... grip ergonomics just like a pistol. In fact that person has really good grip skills if it was a pistol. Now we could avoid the entire issue by taking pistols from law enforcement and giving them Tazers, but that would cause most officers to quit (I was a police officer and my department disarmed me I'd be first out the door). Or we can take Tazers shaped like pistols from the officer on the street and give them pistols, but that takes a valuable tool from them. But the best answer is to give them a pistol and a Tazer that does not look or feel like a handgun. Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
I have never looked at a Taser (from either end). Are they black, like handguns? Or are they a bright color, like maybe a fluorescent lime green, that might give a visual clue as to which weapon the officer is wielding? הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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| Step by step walk the thousand mile road |
Depends on the model. Some are bright yellow, other black and yellow, and others all black.  Nice is overrated "It's every freedom-loving individual's duty to lie to the government." Airsoftguy, June 29, 2018 | |||
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| Do No Harm, Do Know Harm |
They have both. I preferred the yellow. Current agency issues the black. But policy requires carrying taser on weak side, so either draw with your weak hand or cross draw with strong. That’s a pretty standard requirement for many departments from my experience after a few of these cases through the years. I’ve said it before though...the vast majority of the public would not believe how poorly trained many officers are. Her department likely wears a good bit of responsibility for this, one way or the other, due to poor training, poor policy, or supervisors not enforcing it if it’s written. P.S. I’m a Taser instructor albeit I’m just a glorified technician now a days. Knowing what one is talking about is widely admired but not strictly required here. Although sometimes distracting, there is often a certain entertainment value to this easy standard. -JALLEN "All I need is a WAR ON DRUGS reference and I got myself a police thread BINGO." -jljones | |||
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Our new Taser 7 is a bright yellow. Previous X2 models were plain black, and our X26P prior to that were also black. So.... maybe. I think even the earlier models could have been had in the yellow color. As for making them completely different in feel to a handgun, the trouble is, just like a handgun, they require you to aim and place precise hits on target. Both darts have to hit, and to be in compliance with policy, etc, they have to hit specific regions on the target. It’s tough enough with a device that uses a shape designed to make it easy to aim and hit. Not sure what would work for a “different” shape that still made aiming and hitting as easy as possible. The form factor of modern handguns have been refined over the past couple hundred years in an attempt to come up with the best ergonomics. I will agree with the above that this is a training issue, and possibly an equipment issue in that if she was carrying the taser strong side, it suddenly becomes a LOT easier to draw the wrong tool. Our policy is for off side carry only, set up for off hand draw. And then as much training as we can chisel out of Admin. Bill R | |||
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| hello darkness my old friend  |
Yeah I retired a year ago and was considering returning to law enforcement to double dip in June. I do miss the challenge of the work. I miss helping citizens with their issues but I am not going to return in a hyper politically charged environment where I am sure I would not be given a fair chance if the shit hit the fan. | |||
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How many times has this scenario happened? I've never heard of it before. I think re-engineering the taser may be a little bit of a rushed decision here to me anyway. She screwed up. And sometimes no matter of prevention stops that. _____________________ Be careful what you tolerate. You are teaching people how to treat you. | |||
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