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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
How many times has this scenario happened? I've never heard of it before. I think re-engineering the taser may be a little bit of a rushed decision here to me anyway. She screwed up. And sometimes no matter of prevention stops that.

Now you have, from The Philadelphia Inquirer (4/19). . .

Bucks DA: New Hope officer mistook gun for Taser, shot man in holding cell

The original Taser looked like a clunky flashlight and in addition to the dart cartridges you could attach a pair of probes that looked like old rabbit ear TV antennae. Accuracy, getting both darts into the subject, was always a challenge. When they started looking and aiming like a pistol I was concerned that some officers in the heat of conflict might confuse the pistol for the taser. This has happened at least three times in the U.S. that I know of, I believe the first was in Oakland, CA involving a transit police officer. I agree there is a training issue here, things often do not work the way you thought they would when under high stress.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
How many times has this scenario happened? I've never heard of it before. I think re-engineering the taser may be a little bit of a rushed decision here to me anyway. She screwed up. And sometimes no matter of prevention stops that.

A dozen times at least since tasers came mainstream?

That’s a guess, but might be on the very low end. Tasers have been around for a long time now. These things used to not get much attention.

The BART shooting in 2009 was the one with the most publicity I recall:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...th-What-13489585.php

But I think last year the old guy that was a special deputy in SC that shot a guy gave the taser explanation.

I’m sure some googling would show more.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:
How many times has this scenario happened? I've never heard of it before...

April 2015 in OK, by a 73 year old reserve deputy:

https://tulsaworld.com/newshom...8c-d8b3aefe2504.html

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:

A dozen times at least since tasers came mainstream?

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I’d say that number is way low.

Seems with proper training, the 20 year old kid wouldn’t have had a warrant, and wouldn’t have been resisting arrest.

The problem with lack of training began nearly 20 years ago would be my guess.

Love this guy that showed up to cuss out a CNN crew, looks like some folks figured out who the real problem is- the fucking media!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ste...786403399405579?s=21

[QUOTE]Originally posted by medic451:
Love this guy that showed up to cuss out a CNN crew, looks like some folks figured out who the real problem is- the fucking media!

https://mobile.twitter.com/ste...786403399405579?s=21[/QUOTE
Media has to get the riots going again so they have something to report other than what the nitwit in the White House is up to.

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by chongosuerte:

A dozen times at least since tasers came mainstream?

I’d say that number is way low.

I agree although a dozen or more is what I mentioned in a discussion yesterday.

And I strongly believe that the (very unlikely) possibility of its happening can be lessened by requiring a nondominant hand draw, and not just a dominant hand crossdraw, and certainly not a dominant hand regular handgun draw. A TASER can be switched to the dominant hand quickly and easily after the draw and that helps ensure there is no confusion about which weapon is being deployed in a high stress situation.

I know this isn't going to be accepted by some and it's certainly not PC, but IMHO this may be more of a "software" (brain) issue than a "hardware" (device) problem. For years now it's been the intent of many police agencies to hire those who are less psychologically prone to utilize force in order to obtain compliance. Department psychologists can and do look for such people during the testing process and may even weight their examinations against perfectly suitable applicants who don't fit an unrealistic hiring goal. Politicians have routinely claimed for years that female officers are inherently "better" at solving problems involving suspects that resist arrest using verbal skills, than male officers, and it's certainly possible that these same "leaders" insure their feelings are translated into actual hiring practices. So what about those hired that are more effected by the threat(s) posed by those who decide (verbal skills be damned) physical resistance to virtually any lawful arrest is preferable to compliance? Are these officers more likely to become ineffective, when "soft" techniques fail and the use of force is unavoidable?

Assuming the same psychological standards are used, can we expect more problems like this (using a firearm when a less lethal option was intended) to be unavoidable? Before I retired in 2008, I saw this trend (while serving as a field supervisor) among many officers, both male and female. I was told by our departmental psychologist that she had "concerns" about the suitability of one of our newer officers during pre-employment testing, yet I found that the officer in question to be extremely well suited for the job when actually seen doing it. How much "dysfunction" is caused when departments knowingly hire those less psychologically prone to use force, when force NEEDS to be used?

I believe those complaining about the alleged "poor quality" of cops these days need to examine their own part in the equation. By pandering those who wish to be unaccountable to the law to the point where resistance to any valid arrest is "justifiable" in their own mind, to determining what kind of police officers are hired to deal with these mentalities, I believe they ("leaders" in these communities) have created their own self-fulfilling prophecies.

Minnesota Police Chief Resigns After Reporters' Rebuke For Calling Riot A "Riot"

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ef-not-use-term-riot

The Minnesota police officer who shot and killed a Black man Sunday during a traffic stop, along with the Police Chief who supervised her and the department, have both resigned Tuesday after nights of rioting and looting rocked their community in the wake of the state's latest officer-involved shooting.


More at link.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Minnesota Police Chief Resigns After Reporters' Rebuke For Calling Riot A "Riot"

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ef-not-use-term-riot

The Minnesota police officer who shot and killed a Black man Sunday during a traffic stop, along with the Police Chief who supervised her and the department, have both resigned Tuesday after nights of rioting and looting rocked their community in the wake of the state's latest officer-involved shooting.


More at link.

Any bets the mayor might have had a little to do with this too?

Call a "riot" a riot or not fire the officer until she gets her due process; no matter how it's reported to the press, either way you end up out a job in Minneapolis.

‘Tis but thy name that is my enemy;
Thou art thyself, though not a Montague.
What’s Montague? It is nor hand, nor foot,
Nor arm, nor face, nor any other part
Belonging to a man. O, be some other name!
What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;
So Romeo would, were he not Romeo call’d,
Retain that dear perfection which he owes
Without that title. Romeo, doff thy name,
And for that name which is no part of thee
Take all myself. - a guy named Bill

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Minnesota Police Chief Resigns After Reporters' Rebuke For Calling Riot A "Riot"

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ef-not-use-term-riot

The Minnesota police officer who shot and killed a Black man Sunday during a traffic stop, along with the Police Chief who supervised her and the department, have both resigned Tuesday after nights of rioting and looting rocked their community in the wake of the state's latest officer-involved shooting.


More at link.

IMO, that chief has behaved like the picture of integrity and transparency in the midst of an administrator's worst nightmare. I'm sorry to see him lose his job over this, but I imagine it was inevitable.

I also saw that the mayor fired the city manager because the city manager made a statement to the effect that they had to follow due process in disciplinary proceedings for the officer. I would have thought that would be a given, but apparently these days it's not .


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...ocess-police-officer

Tides turn. Never forget those who created this mess. Give them their due without mercy when the tides favor us. While we don’t name shooters and give them the glory they seek, perhaps we should always name the mayors et al so that we can remember their rightful place once they have fallen from Grace and keep them there.

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Originally posted by 92fstech:

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Minnesota Police Chief Resigns After Reporters' Rebuke For Calling Riot A "Riot"

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ef-not-use-term-riot

The Minnesota police officer who shot and killed a Black man Sunday during a traffic stop, along with the Police Chief who supervised her and the department, have both resigned Tuesday after nights of rioting and looting rocked their community in the wake of the state's latest officer-involved shooting.


More at link.

IMO, that chief has behaved like the picture of integrity and transparency in the midst of an administrator's worst nightmare. I'm sorry to see him lose his job over this, but I imagine it was inevitable.

I also saw that the mayor fired the city manager because the city manager made a statement to the effect that they had to follow due process in disciplinary proceedings for the officer. I would have thought that would be a given, but apparently these days it's not .


https://www.foxnews.com/politi...ocess-police-officer

Someone had to be thrown into the volcano to appease the media gods, and we are fresh out of virgins up there.

I know the comment was sardonic. Media doesn’t need to be appeased. They are a service. What might be good is “news service” needs to get certified and have some oath regarding integrity, factual, unbiased. Like a Hippocratic oath. People should be fired and the service fined heavily for violations. All others, like CNN, don’t get to use “news” as part of their name - rather they must identify themselves as opinion, propaganda or entertainment providers.

This is why I choose to get my info here.

Thanks members & para!

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
Minnesota Police Chief Resigns After Reporters' Rebuke For Calling Riot A "Riot"

https://www.zerohedge.com/poli...ef-not-use-term-riot

The Minnesota police officer who shot and killed a Black man Sunday during a traffic stop, along with the Police Chief who supervised her and the department, have both resigned Tuesday after nights of rioting and looting rocked their community in the wake of the state's latest officer-involved shooting.


More at link.

The linguistic word games and narrative shaping on full-display.

Wish there was a camera pointed at these 'reporters' to everyone who these supposed 'reporters' are and to visual show their righteous indignation and fury at this police chief, as he attempts to answer loaded and leading questions.

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Originally posted by corsair:
Wish there was a camera pointed at these 'reporters' to everyone who these supposed 'reporters' are and to visual show their righteous indignation and fury at this police chief, as he attempts to answer loaded and leading questions.

Yet this chief learned nothing from the fast four years in dealing with the media. You don't play nice with them, you don't take their crap, and when they inevitably attack, you return fire with both barrels. This guy rolled over to the mob and media and as such, was discarded.